Just can’t pay much attention to any of that. Always gotta be what’s best for the team and winning. 

Where the stats factor in probably the greatest is if you have a vet FA liking to sign a one year prove it contract. He has to consider where will get him paid.

4 hours ago, cunninghamtheman said:

Fairly even trade by value charts. Everything rested on the Saints believing they could win their division and were playoff bound…..while actually sucking. The main win in the deal for us would be if their 2023 first round pick ended up being a high pick. If it ends up at 19 or later we lose the trade numbers wise. We still gain a third by them moving up from 18 to 16. That’s the price for that trade always. So by moving back you gain draft ammo. We helped the cowboys the year before doing the same. Gave them a third rounder to move back and get Parsons. Really tough to think on. That we paid them a third to get arguably the best defensive player. But we moved back originally before that already. So we had gained picks and giving that third still left us in the plus column on paper…in the Draft Wars. Got our guy, Smitty. Had to trade up as we all believe Smitty would have been gone. To our rival Giants at that. So stopped the Giants by hooking up the Cowboys. Very complex situation. Could go round and round about how wise that all was. Smitty looks good. But Parsons looks incredibly elite. The fact we have cowboys a third to move back and still take the same guy they wanted, to me, says cowboys clearly won that situation. Wasn’t all bad for us. Giving a third for them to take Parsons still leaves a terrible taste in my mouth. Parsons was the pick. In fact, if we don’t do the original trade back and just took Parsons at what? six…..would have been the best move. Winning the Draft Wars isn’t always the way to go. Getting the best players is. Just taking Parsons originally was the best call. We couldn’t get Pitts or Chase. Rosie foresaw that well. Moved accordingly. Back and then forward for Smitty. He accomplished his goal. So great wheeling and dealing winning on paper to get his guy. But just not even arguable already that why wasn’t Parsons the guy? Forced pass catching need over elite franchise changing pass rusher. Huge mistake! 

Saints trade...not Dallas trade.  Very different.  One done 3 weeks before the other done with a specific player on the clock.    Stick to the subject.

So reading now about how Hurts is rushing more than any QB ever has. Could be around two hundred carries.

Just now, joemas6 said:

Saints trade...not Dallas trade.  Very different.  One done 3 weeks before the other done with a specific player on the clock.    Stick to the subject.

Great reference that one year earlier we paid a third rounder to move up two spots. Think it fits perfectly. 18 to 16 for Saints cost a third just like we paid. Can’t get easier comparison.

Davis said he lost twenty pounds rehabbing

1 hour ago, cunninghamtheman said:

You know some in Pittsburgh say it was the hits that sauced his brain. I thought he was just a diva. Big money allowed it. But some in the know say concussion changed him.

Specifically, this hit is what is often referred to have changed AB's career:

Then again, others say he was always strange in Pittsburgh. Divisive, even. But they tolerated him as long as he kept producing on the field.

On his third play, with the Packers trailing by 10 but with a 3^rd-and-4 on the Eagles’ 15-yard-line, he found himself matched up in the end zone with slot receiver Randall Cobb, a for

Wallace made the play at the end. I’ve been giving him a very hard time. So feel I should acknowledge his big play at the end of the Pack game. Didn’t realize. But they immediately targeted him with game on the line and he stepped up.

Third and four is about as tough as it gets for a S. Everything to guard against.

1 hour ago, cunninghamtheman said:

Great reference that one year earlier we paid a third rounder to move up two spots. Think it fits perfectly. 18 to 16 for Saints cost a third just like we paid. Can’t get easier comparison.

It's a bad reference because you moved up to the spot that was on the clock.    It was for a specific player.  

1 hour ago, cunninghamtheman said:

Great reference that one year earlier we paid a third rounder to move up two spots. Think it fits perfectly. 18 to 16 for Saints cost a third just like we paid. Can’t get easier comparison.

Btw...would 20-18 cost a 3rd.... how about 28- 26?    Two slots cost different the further down.

But that logic you are using was probably the discussion in the Saints office.    Go infiltrate some of these other teams that want to trade us... the ones in a rush to get the current year draft picks...you will be great in getting them to overpay.

7 minutes ago, joemas6 said:

It's a bad reference because you moved up to the spot that was on the clock.    It was for a specific player.  

Don’t see it mattering much. Are you suggesting we massively overpaid?

5 minutes ago, joemas6 said:

Btw...would 20-18 cost a 3rd.... how about 28- 26?    Two slots cost different the further down.

But that logic you are using was probably the discussion in the Saints office.    Go infiltrate some of these other teams that want to trade us... the ones in a rush to get the current year draft picks...you will be great in getting them to overpay.

There is points for each pick. Goes down each time. Very obvious.

Exactly why we paid what we did for Davis. We had to maybe give up slightly more than most charts would say we needed to pay. But you only have what picks you have. So without giving up a third…that was the price. 

Fourth and two fifths to move up two spots to 13

15 to 13 cost a fourth and two fifths. So 18 to 16 would cost what? A third.

But feel free to explain how you feel this price is too high No Mas. I’ll listen. But can’t really see making an argument against it.

So the NFL just announced they are going to focus on taking more data to prevent injury. Logging contact amounts to predict injury. So they can make rules to prevent more injury.

https://www.nfl.com/news/all-news

Sort of feels like it’s related to our earlier discussion a bit. That the whole league is very aware of the issues. Even planning to majorly step up efforts to track the data. 

https://www.cbssports.com/nfl/news/patrick-mahomes-explains-how-he-got-chiefs-to-trade-up-for-him-in-2017-nfl-draft/

Really interesting stuff from Mahomes about the draft. Told the Chiefs they had to trade up knowing what coaches said they wanted him.

Nagy gave Mahomes the plays he’d be told to do in interview. So Mahomes studied ahead knowing already.

1 hour ago, cunninghamtheman said:

Don’t see it mattering much. Are you suggesting we massively overpaid?

I'm suggesting the Saints overpaid if you look at it your way.   It was further down the draft and it was unknown who was going to be there.

See you trying to spin numbers...but  At the point where it was Smith, Parsons..etc.   the Eagles were trading up for Smith...the #s were irrelevant.  In another draft you could take the same exact scenario with the same pick #s.... and the trade compensation would be different according to the perception of the next group of players available.   

1 hour ago, joemas6 said:

I'm suggesting the Saints overpaid if you look at it your way.   It was further down the draft and it was unknown who was going to be there.

See you trying to spin numbers...but  At the point where it was Smith, Parsons..etc.   the Eagles were trading up for Smith...the #s were irrelevant.  In another draft you could take the same exact scenario with the same pick #s.... and the trade compensation would be different according to the perception of the next group of players available.   

So how much are you suggesting we should have paid to move from 15 to 13? Last year our move with the cowboys to move up two spots? Or this year 18 to 16? 

To me we consistently are seeing it come up about the same price. Occasionally a bidding war happens for a QB and the price can be greater. But it takes a third rounder to move up two spots. That’s basically the price.

A fourth and two fifths it took for us to get up for Davis. 15 to 13. I don’t know. Seems like the price is fairly consistent across these trades.