2 minutes ago, Bleedinggreen93 said:

Want me to go grab JJaw highlights lmao 😂 just makes you look sad 

Who cares,we never tried this guy at WR have we????  Jjaw has had multiple opportunities and failed every time.But lets' continue doing what doesn't work.And we wonder why we are a .500 club

so why did we get Croom if Butler is so good at TE? We should be grooming Butler as a WR not a TE-FAIL

1 minute ago, GreenbleedinNC said:

Who cares,we never tried this guy at WR have we????  Jjaw has had multiple opportunities and failed every time.But lets' continue doing what doesn't work.And we wonder why we are a .500 club

And Butler failed to make a team as a 4th round pick getting beat out by an UDFA and 6th rounder.... Yup but he can get better JJaw can’t I forgot....

Wow if you can’t see how stupid this logic sounds I can’t help you 

If he fails at both CUT HIM.I have NP with that,but please let they guy play where he knows-moronic

2 minutes ago, Bleedinggreen93 said:

And Butler failed to make a team as a 4th round pick getting beat out by an UDFA and 6th rounder.... Yup but he can get better JJaw can’t I forgot....

Wow if you can’t see how stupid this logic sounds I can’t help you 

Jjaw has had many ops to succeed and failed,but yeah lets keep pushing this loser(and this is why we remain at .500).Try Jjaw at TE then right? Maybe Hurts can play LB too

2 minutes ago, GreenbleedinNC said:

If he fails at both CUT HIM.I have NP with that,but please let they guy play where he knows-moronic

Jjaw has had many ops to succeed and failed,but yeah lets keep pushing this loser(and this is why we remain at .500).Try Jjaw at TE then right? Maybe Hurts can play LB too

Let’s just put the loser in who could make his own teams roster and gets beat out by an UDFA that’s better lmao 

3 minutes ago, Bleedinggreen93 said:

Let’s just put the loser in who could make his own teams roster and gets beat out by an UDFA that’s better lmao 

I have no clue what the situation was neither do you.We always cut players who go on the be solid,this is another one that will play somewhere else(you heard it here first) I dont give a crap what AZ chooses to do,the fact is he is a WR!!! if he can't cut it,then he can't but forcing him to be a TE is a waste of resources.And BTW if he was a TE and AZ needed one badly,why didn;t they put him at TE when they needed one???(because they are not morons)

Just now, GreenbleedinNC said:

I have no clue what the situation was neither do you.We always cut players who go on the be solid,this is another one that will play somewhere else(you heard it here first) I dont give a crap what AZ chooses to do,the fact is he is a WR!!! if he can't cut it,then he can't but forcing him to be a TE is a waste of resources

I know he lost his job and got cut for a 6th rounder and UDFA... Fact is he sucked and had done less the JJaw and that says enough right there 

3 minutes ago, Bleedinggreen93 said:

Let’s just put the loser in who could make his own teams roster and gets beat out by an UDFA that’s better lmao 

Will never know,because we aren't training him at WR

1 minute ago, Bleedinggreen93 said:

I know he lost his job and got cut for a 6th rounder and UDFA... Fact is he sucked and had done less the JJaw and that says enough right there 

You have no idea,we never played him at WR so how do you know? You don''t you are spewing drivel again.I understand you have a man crush on Jjaw,but how do we know Butlers potential at WR if we never try him where he ALWAYS played?

I think we can all agree that JJAW and Butler have both underperformed their draft positions, and that if Fulgham continues to produce, we don't really need either of them.

In fact, once Goedert and Reagor are healthy, the team will realistically have to consider cutting both of them. They can't keep 8 wrs and four TEs, so someone will have to go. And those players have been outperformed by everyone else on the roster so far.

 

2 minutes ago, Bleedinggreen93 said:

I know he lost his job and got cut for a 6th rounder and UDFA... Fact is he sucked and had done less the JJaw and that says enough right there 

Of course he has done less than Jjaw,because we never use him as a WR lmao

Just now, GreenbleedinNC said:

You have no idea,we never played him at WR so how do you know? You don''t you are spewing drivel again.I understand you have a man crush on Jjaw,but how do we know Butlers potential at WR if we never try him where he ALWAYS played?

Just like your spewing drivel on what he can do... He came in the league same as JJaw 2019 and done less.... and he couldn’t beat out a 6th rounder and an UDFA to make AZ squad....

So sorry you have some biased lenses on a guy that sucked 

Just now, GreenbleedinNC said:

Of course he has done less than Jjaw,because we never use him as a WR lmao

Did he not play for AZ last year????? Was he not drafted in 2019 same as JJaw and done less still lmao 😂 

keep being biased 

1 minute ago, jsb235 said:

I think we can all agree that JJAW and Butler have both underperformed their draft positions, and that if Fulgham continues to produce, we don't really need either of them.

In fact, once Goedert and Reagor are healthy, the team will realistically have to consider cutting both of them. They can't keep 8 wrs and four TEs, so someone will have to go. And those players have been outperformed by everyone else on the roster so far.

 

I would at least try Butler at WR,which we fail to even TRY to do.I like Croom at TE,he has potential.We know ZIP about Butler as a WR because we never try him there.if he cant cut it then yes CUT him,but putting him at a foreign position proves nothing

1 minute ago, Bleedinggreen93 said:

Just like your spewing drivel on what he can do... He came in the league same as JJaw 2019 and done less.... and he couldn’t beat out a 6th rounder and an UDFA to make AZ squad....

So sorry you have some biased lenses on a guy that sucked 

Did he not play for AZ last year????? Was he not drafted in 2019 same as JJaw and done less still lmao 😂 

keep being biased 

I will because it's a failure to work with the position he knows.he will be cut as a TE anyway,why not try? Oh thats right we dont try new things and why we are a .500 club

To be fair to Hakeem Butler, losing his entire rookie season to injury (fractured hand) was a major setback---and then losing out on not having any OTAs or mini-camps this off-season was also a major deterrent---that---and with the Cardinals adding DeAndre Hopkins via the trade and with Andy Isabella and KeeSean Johnson having learned a great deal how to improve their games after their rookie struggles and coming to camp ahead of the curve this time around, Butler really never had a decent chance to get the number of on the field reps that would allow him to move up the WR ladder in Arizona.

It certainly didn’t help Butler’s cause that draft guru Tony Pauline (Pro Football Network) reported during this year’s NFL Combine that the Cardinals were relieved that they were able to place Hakeem Butler on the IR as a rookie because he was so inconsistent in the 2019 camp to the point where they feared they may have to cut him---

Pauline’s report no doubt created somewhat of a stigma for Butler on a national level to the point where the Cardinals couldn’t even get the WR needy Jets to offer a 7th rounder for him---man, that was rough for both Butler and the Cardinals.

Not sure who Tony Pauline’s Cardinals’ contact is, but Pauline has been right on the money the last two Combines with his Cardinals-related reports---in 2019 he claimed that he heard that Kliff Kingsbury had already indicated that taking Kyler Murray with the #1 pick was a GO. And then with his report on Butler in 2020 that Butler’s chances of sticking with the Cardinals were very slim.

In either case, the Cardinals would be wise to find out how Pauline was getting these scoops and put an end to it---that is if they want to be able to trade draft picks like Josh Rosen and Hakeem Butler for optimum value.

Pauline is a New York metropolitan pundit and it’s possible that his understanding of the Butler situation had an influence on the Jets’ decision to decline a trade with the Cardinals.

However, Hakeem Butler met with the Jets yesterday and tried out for them, all with Kliff Kingsbury’s blessings. Kingsbury, who once met wit the Jets himself, said:

"For Hakeem, he’s a talented young man. We really like Hakeem. It’s just one of those deals. Sometimes it’s better for both sides to have a fresh start, and we felt like that was one of those instances. He has a tremendous upside and we still think he can be a really good player in this league. It just wasn’t working here and so we allowed him to go somewhere else. I hope it works out for him because we did enjoy him while he was here.”

Did you notice Kingsbury’s continued use of the phrase "tremendous upside”?

While Hakeem Butler was not able to stick with the Cardinals, at least the most hopeful phrase to describe his talent goes with him to New York or wherever he might land on a team’s practice squad with the chance to prove his doubters wrong.

The dude can get over the top of defenses and he can win his fair share of 50/50 balls. And—when he has the ball in his hands---he can rock and roll over safeties.

The key for him now is to find better ways to get off of press coverage (pun intended).

 

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2 minutes ago, GreenbleedinNC said:

I will because it's a failure to work with the position he knows.he will be cut as a TE anyway,why not try? Oh thats right we dont try new things and why we are a .500 club

Oh I forgot running routes and catching the call is so drastically different from WR to TE lmao.... Have no clue the plan we have for Butler just cuz he is listed as a TE Ertz was a TE who we flexed majority of the time early in his career as a big slot 

3 minutes ago, GreenbleedinNC said:

I would at least try Butler at WR,which we fail to even TRY to do.I like Croom at TE,he has potential.We know ZIP about Butler as a WR because we never try him there.if he cant cut it then yes CUT him,but putting him at a foreign position proves nothing

I think you can get a pretty good idea of how a player will do at WR by playing him at TE. If he's not playing well enough to beat out Rodgers for the TE2 spot, which is mainly a pass catching role in our offense, then it's a pretty safe bet he's not going to give you much at wr.

1 minute ago, Bleedinggreen93 said:

Oh I forgot running routes and catching the call is so drastically different from WR to TE lmao.... Have no clue the plan we have for Butler just cuz he is listed as a TE Ertz was a TE who we flexed majority of the time early in his career as a big slot 

Whatever,in MY view Butler has a MUCH higher ceiling than Jjaw.You obviously dont agree,but you know I have an eye for WR s lol

1 minute ago, jsb235 said:

I think you can get a pretty good idea of how a player will do at WR by playing him at TE. If he's not playing well enough to beat out Rodgers for the TE2 spot, which is mainly a pass catching role in our offense, then it's a pretty safe bet he's not going to give you much at wr.

I suppose in a pinch we could use him in the slot.I just like his upside and the fact he was never given a fair shot at WR and as a former TE the positions are different.he is WR.either he's good enough or he isn't,but putting him at TE ends his career right now

1 minute ago, GreenbleedinNC said:

Whatever,in MY view Butler has a MUCH higher ceiling than Jjaw.You obviously dont agree,but you know I have an eye for WR s lol

Biased lmao I have an eye for WRs also not saying much 

4 minutes ago, Bleedinggreen93 said:

Biased lmao I have an eye for WRs also not saying much 

IDK all the WR's I chose end up playing.Hightower is playing for us(my pick) JJ is lighting it up and noone EVER had Jjaw on a mock ANYWHERE

1 minute ago, GreenbleedinNC said:

IDK all the WR's I chose end up playing.Hightower is playing for us(my pick) JJ is lighting it up and noone EVER had Jjaw on a mock ANYWHERE.Many mocks had Butler,so whatever

 

Just now, GreenbleedinNC said:

IDK all the WR's I chose end up playing.Hightower is playing for us(my pick) JJ is lighting it up and noone EVER had Jjaw on a mock ANYWHERE

So do mine you mean like Diggs who I wanted or JuJu... How bout Robert Woods, Ceedee Lamb I can go for days on WRs I wanted and called 

1 minute ago, Bleedinggreen93 said:

So do mine you mean like Diggs who I wanted or JuJu... How bout Robert Woods, Ceedee Lamb I can go for days on WRs I wanted and called 

Then you can see Butlers potential,the fact he never got a fair shot bothers you(read article),but he has more potential than Jjaw who has proven he was a wasted pick.

2 minutes ago, GreenbleedinNC said:

Then you can see Butlers potential,the fact he never got a fair shot bothers you(read article),but he has more potential than Jjaw who has proven he was a wasted pick.

No not really wasn’t that impressed by Butler coming out and wasnt thrilled on JJaw either 

In other words,if Butler is not a TE nor a WR then lets cut him NOW and get player in here thats useful and let him go play elsewhere if we aren't going to use him.Croom has promise at TE.We have been forcing Butler as a TE,so we dont need him there.Just would like to give the guy the same chances we give Jjaw,gave Ward and everyone else.if he fails,so be it,but we don;t even try