17 minutes ago, joemas6 said:

I'll answer again... in 2022... you are not effected by the field position like you were before. 

But of course you need to go to the extreme.  The stat is inside the 20...because of the touch back.   Not inside the 5.  But I will agree at the 1 yard line it might be tough for an offense. 

But ask yourself...how many 3 and outs you see now when teams are pinned deep as compared to back in the day.  It's rare.

Not rare at all. Routine to see three and outs when you pin inside the five. I completely disagree. Two runs to fight out the endzone with a heavy quicke forced under pressure throw attempt at the first down is routine. Massive effect on playcalling huge effect on the game.

When you are a fan of a team.  And your complaints are the 4th safety and the punter being less than 2 yards net from the top ... and your team is 12-1.  Winning high score games as well as one where neither team scored more than 17.    

Then life as a fan is pretty good. 

It doesn't mean because you worry about things that you are smarter than everyone else,  or that nobody else sees value in quality backups.  

It's just a little tiresome constantly nitpicking during a year that has the success come so easily.... in a league full of just awful teams. 

2 minutes ago, cunninghamtheman said:

Not rare at all. Routine to see three and outs when you pin inside the five. I completely disagree. Two runs to fight out the endzone with a heavy quicke forced under pressure throw attempt at the first down is routine. Massive effect on playcalling huge effect on the game.

You do... I don't at all... not like before.

And again...inside the 20....not inside the 5.   

Btw... teams throw out of their own endzone more now.    I think this is where the mobile QB helps a lot.   Much different than bunch up at the line just to get your punter to have space. Teams are looking to score every time now, not play field position and win 10-7.   Those days are gone.

16 minutes ago, joemas6 said:

Ham...I'm not reading the novel..   which GM you think did a better job.  Which roster is better than the Eagles.   

Simple answer here . .a couple sentences ..it's not E= mc2.  

Which GM did the better job is a very complicated question. No way it’s not. Rosters aren’t built in a day.

12 minutes ago, cunninghamtheman said:

Which GM did the better job is a very complicated question. No way it’s not. Rosters aren’t built in a day.

It's not complicated.  You look at the roster after last season.  You look at it now. You see the additions and subtractions.  You see holes filled vs holes created.

You see results in the records.  You see additional assets coming in.   Look at it all..  and give an opinion.   

You see two buildings...does it matter how long each were built to give an opinion on which one you like better? 

Or,you can get stuck on looking at just backup S and punter.   And ignore the other 50 guys?

I like this part. Last year Hurts ----1 read and run. This year he looks to pass first and I am seeing 2, sometimes 3 reads. That's fine, he will get even better and I believe the pass first concept  will extend his career. We don't need Lamar Jackson. He is now seeing "run" as a secondary option,not the first. We are seeing less of the RPO BS college offense. He is turning into a professional. I'm a hater because I demanded to see the things he is doing.Like more accuracy and better downfield passes. He is putting in the work and sweat. Noone knew what to expect when this season began. He has made alot more progress than I had hoped. The + turnover ratio is a thing of beauty and 2nd place is not even close. ST not the best,but it's enough. I believe this team to be more complete that the SB team. Too many to re-sign,but I hope they know which ones to hang onto and which to let go/get comp picks for. Easy to bash Howie in the past,but I have to say the tremendous job he has done has truly been a 180 from the Howie I criticized. I give the man credit for whatever he did to turn things around for himself. IMO no GM has come close to him the last 2 years

Who is a better coach..the guy in New England or the guy in Dallas?   Is it a complicated question?  

We know there is a lot involved in the job. . But should be simple to see who is better.

1 minute ago, joemas6 said:

Or,you can get stuck on looking at just backup S and punter.   And ignore the other 50 guys?

Starting Dime S….that backs up possibly three different positions. Seems significant to me. I think injuries occur in football. But even if none do at least you have a crucial Dime package that doesn’t leak like a sieve like Gannon has been forced to deal with. But Rosie Master plan….one S. Not three. Not four. One. Not All Pro. Just one that’s decent in Epps. One outside corner. Complete stud. But easy to just throw to the whole other side of the field. I pointed out many great things Rosie did this season. Also pointed out the flaws. Just looking at the whole picture. Good and bad.

2 minutes ago, cunninghamtheman said:

Starting Dime S….that backs up possibly three different positions. Seems significant to me. I think injuries occur in football. But even if none do at least you have a crucial Dime package that doesn’t leak like a sieve like Gannon has been forced to deal with. But Rosie Master plan….one S. Not three. Not four. One. Not All Pro. Just one that’s decent in Epps. One outside corner. Complete stud. But easy to just throw to the whole other side of the field. I pointed out many great things Rosie did this season. Also pointed out the flaws. Just looking at the whole picture. Good and bad.

Right..like I said,  you can get stuck on the S position and ignore the other 50 guys.

The Chiefs, Bills, 49ers...  they are contenders because of their " dime safeties"  ...or maybe their punters? 

Very significant... Howie sucks. Agreed. 

16 minutes ago, joemas6 said:

Who is a better coach..the guy in New England or the guy in Dallas?   Is it a complicated question?  

We know there is a lot involved in the job. . But should be simple to see who is better.

But your answer about GM seemed based more on wins…this season. GM job is much bigger picture. This years team wasn’t built in a day. The moves of this season that are great will show for many years. That’s the GM job. But using your own answer the Coach I Dallas has more wins. Offensive coordinator in New England doing terrible. OC and DC in Dallas are better. Doing a better job this year specifically also.

18 minutes ago, GreenbleedinNC said:

I like this part. Last year Hurts ----1 read and run. This year he looks to pass first and I am seeing 2, sometimes 3 reads. That's fine, he will get even better and I believe the pass first concept  will extend his career. We don't need Lamar Jackson. He is now seeing "run" as a secondary option,not the first. We are seeing less of the RPO BS college offense. He is turning into a professional. I'm a hater because I demanded to see the things he is doing.Like more accuracy and better downfield passes. He is putting in the work and sweat. Noone knew what to expect when this season began. He has made alot more progress than I had hoped. The + turnover ratio is a thing of beauty and 2nd place is not even close. ST not the best,but it's enough. I believe this team to be more complete that the SB team. Too many to re-sign,but I hope they know which ones to hang onto and which to let go/get comp picks for. Easy to bash Howie in the past,but I have to say the tremendous job he has done has truly been a 180 from the Howie I criticized. I give the man credit for whatever he did to turn things around for himself. IMO no GM has come close to him the last 2 years

After this season it will be critical to continue to draft well. The leadership on the roster is going to have to transition.   Especially defensively.

One thing that is nice to finally have. Look at the WR position the last 40 years.  Pathetic  here.   Now we have 2 guys with rheur whole career in front of them.

IMO we have had very few legit #1 WRs.  Carmichael, Quick, Fryar,  T.O., Alshon and AJ.

Carter had his issues and had to go to Minnesota to truly develop.

But looking at this list... it's been since Quick that we have a guy locked in long term during his prime....now we have that crucial piece in AJ for a while during his prime....   Finally.

And if the QB cam remain consistent, it will be the first time we will see those two positions develop and play together for a while....with actual top level players. 

We have seem other teams have top QBs and WRs play together for years in a row...it's about time we get that here.

5 minutes ago, cunninghamtheman said:

But your answer about GM seemed based more on wins…this season. GM job is much bigger picture. This years team wasn’t built in a day. The moves of this season that are great will show for many years. That’s the GM job. But using your own answer the Coach I Dallas has more wins. Offensive coordinator in New England doing terrible. OC and DC in Dallas are better. Doing a better job this year specifically also.

Ham.. stop ... just stop.  Doesn't matter how long the process...you are here to see the starting point at the end of last year with a roster full of holes you needed both hands and at least one foot to count.   You are complaining about backup position.  One backup.  

Again..  THIS YEAR.  the job that was done to get players and future assets.  This year who did a better job from February to now in building the roster and getting future assets?  

See..you post with such authority on the subject of backup safety... yet you can't look around the league and comment on other teams backups? 

Then to me, you lose credibility.   You need a comparison when complaining about something. 

Like today we can say dial up internet is slow.  25-28 years ago not so much because what did we have to compare to?   So making a statement like the backup S wasn't addressed...master plan... to try to make the Eagles front office look bad... but refuse to compare to any other team...doesn't make your point.

We both agree the coach is Dallas is bad.   But we do so because we have other coaches to compare against.   You need to the same with the S in order to show why it's bad. 

Wallace is horrible...is a legit opinion.   Which 4th string S is better?   It's a legit question when trying to compare.  

Do we compare Jack Stohl to Travis Kelce?  Or to other backups or role players in the league?   

Epps and CGJ we can compare to other starting S tandems.   Blankenship and Wallace should be compared to other backups...when judging the quality of the decision to have them I'm their roles. 

57 minutes ago, joemas6 said:

Right..like I said,  you can get stuck on the S position and ignore the other 50 guys.

The Chiefs, Bills, 49ers...  they are contenders because of their " dime safeties"  ...or maybe their punters? 

Very significant... Howie sucks. Agreed. 

Chiefs Bills and Niners all have the best interior Dlineman. Our over focus position. They best us even there. Yes they do have good Dime S. Great list of three teams to consider their Dime packages. All three are prepared to utilize that package and all the options it brings in todays NFL. Chiefs, Bills and Niners Dime personnel is stifling people. Not just the Dime S. Their one LB they leave out there for that package is superior. Their DT is superior. Other 50 guys. You saying Scott and Gainwell are better than the Niners backup RBs? Lol. Think we have better starting corners than all three teams. Only because the giants gifted us Bradbury for a one season rental. Clearly wasn’t part of our GM master plan. His actions there are pretty much a reason to get fired. What were we doing without Bradbury? Been near Pro Bowl level. Do you not see any dropoff between that lucky gift and the original option planned? Not sure you can possibly have a bigger dropoff. But I give credit to Rosie for looking that gift horse in the mouth and signing him to cover for his total failure to address it otherwise.  I’m looking at and spelled out exhaustively all that Rosie  did this offseason. Give him credit and things worked out fantastic ….so far other than where we are at S. TE weak without Goedert also. But Stoll does his role excellent. What were Rosie best moves this offseason? AJ, Bradbury and CGJ. And you’d probably say trading with the Saints. Saints trade hurts 2022 team. Just not getting any production or assistance from 2023 and 2024 draft picks in 2022. So his three brilliant moves were all made possible because of his complete failure in his master planning for the season. S and CB completely just grossly ignored. Harris and Tartt with some nobody Blankenship. First two just flat out bad moves. Not great GM job. Blankenship looks good. Played a couple snaps well. 2022 impact of production: an interception and saving Rosie but from S neglect for a game and a half. What did Rosie do this year, like your point is, to better the offense? Practically a list of one, AJ. Throw in fourth WR and third string TE. So ends results great. But is intent was at least confirmed three other options. So by failing he succeeded. By failing to address corner he succeeded by giants throwing away Bradbury. By failing to address S he was forced to trade for Ceedy Duce. Looking like it all could work out great. But his three brilliant moves were all based on his total failure. I mean, glad his plans sucked I guess because it ended up with those three getting here. But he did lock them down so they’re here. One year for the two of them. Blockbuster money for the one. But once again is it GM of the year for failing to have any S? That part it gets an F. Then forced to cover and trade for a pro bowl player. That part he gets an A+. Then not locking that pro bowl player up long term he gets a d minus. F, A+ and D-…..what’s that average out to for a grade on the GM?

31 minutes ago, cunninghamtheman said:

Chiefs Bills and Niners all have the best interior Dlineman. Our over focus position. They best us even there. Yes they do have good Dime S. Great list of three teams to consider their Dime packages. All three are prepared to utilize that package and all the options it brings in todays NFL. Chiefs, Bills and Niners Dime personnel is stifling people. Not just the Dime S. Their one LB they leave out there for that package is superior. Their DT is superior. Other 50 guys. You saying Scott and Gainwell are better than the Niners backup RBs? Lol. Think we have better starting corners than all three teams. Only because the giants gifted us Bradbury for a one season rental. Clearly wasn’t part of our GM master plan. His actions there are pretty much a reason to get fired. What were we doing without Bradbury? Been near Pro Bowl level. Do you not see any dropoff between that lucky gift and the original option planned? Not sure you can possibly have a bigger dropoff. But I give credit to Rosie for looking that gift horse in the mouth and signing him to cover for his total failure to address it otherwise.  I’m looking at and spelled out exhaustively all that Rosie  did this offseason. Give him credit and things worked out fantastic ….so far other than where we are at S. TE weak without Goedert also. But Stoll does his role excellent. What were Rosie best moves this offseason? AJ, Bradbury and CGJ. And you’d probably say trading with the Saints. Saints trade hurts 2022 team. Just not getting any production or assistance from 2023 and 2024 draft picks in 2022. So his three brilliant moves were all made possible because of his complete failure in his master planning for the season. S and CB completely just grossly ignored. Harris and Tartt with some nobody Blankenship. First two just flat out bad moves. Not great GM job. Blankenship looks good. Played a couple snaps well. 2022 impact of production: an interception and saving Rosie but from S neglect for a game and a half. What did Rosie do this year, like your point is, to better the offense? Practically a list of one, AJ. Throw in fourth WR and third string TE. So ends results great. But is intent was at least confirmed three other options. So by failing he succeeded. By failing to address corner he succeeded by giants throwing away Bradbury. By failing to address S he was forced to trade for Ceedy Duce. Looking like it all could work out great. But his three brilliant moves were all based on his total failure. I mean, glad his plans sucked I guess because it ended up with those three getting here. But he did lock them down so they’re here. One year for the two of them. Blockbuster money for the one. But once again is it GM of the year for failing to have any S? That part it gets an F. Then forced to cover and trade for a pro bowl player. That part he gets an A+. Then not locking that pro bowl player up long term he gets a d minus. F, A+ and D-…..what’s that average out to for a grade on the GM?

Bills have great Dime S.    So the play vs the Vikings where the guy let Jefferson catch the jump ball on 4th down because he went for INT instead of knocking it down is quality backup safety play?   Really...that's your great example.

And you add to that by saying those teams are great at the position we prioritize...and make that a negative for us?    By showing how important the position we prioritize is...how is that a negative?  

12-1.

When you are trying to argue the GM is making bad decisions....and it comes down to backup S, backup RB and the punter...   that should pretty much show you are reaching.  

But it all has to be " master plan"  genuis stuff.   Can't be just basic roster building and filling in some spots later...all needs to be a master plan. 

You can't say we have an easy schedule....that insults Hurts... but we can bring up other GMs mistakes because that is the only reason Howie got players by falling into his lap.

No double standard or agenda there at all.

I believe good decisions are made often by not trying to be the smartest guy in the room.   Sticking to basics,  keeping things simple without overthinking.

I absolutely believe when it comes to the Eagles the last decade plus... this has been the biggest factor in their success and failures. 

Overthinking....Dream Team, reaching for players for hand size, 40 yard dash times... looking to be too innovative with outside the box stuff in building the roster...all backfired big time.

When they just made the easy decisions on draft picks and free agents... 2017 and 2022...you see the results. 

My concern ... they fall into the cycle of trying to be smartest in the room by overthinking again after some success. 

Stick to the basics... keep the lines strong, resign the young players... don't pay the RB position... and move forward. 

You like a player with the Saints pick,take him.  You get a phenomenal trade offer, take it.  Don't overthink.  

6 hours ago, cunninghamtheman said:

So much will be revealed in just how they utilize Parsons. Where does he attack?

Well they had a plan for him and I'm sure they will this time. And I'm sure Stoutland will be heavily involved in that prep so I think we are in good hands. But Parsons is a monster no doubt. 

Brandon Graham bring defensive player of the week a second time this season is just fantastic. Think some doubted he could recover at his age. He even had to accept a backup role for the team. BG still has plenty of juice! What an incredible all time Eagles he’s been!

3 hours ago, joemas6 said:

When you are a fan of a team.  And your complaints are the 4th safety and the punter being less than 2 yards net from the top ... and your team is 12-1.  Winning high score games as well as one where neither team scored more than 17.    

Then life as a fan is pretty good. 

It doesn't mean because you worry about things that you are smarter than everyone else,  or that nobody else sees value in quality backups.  

It's just a little tiresome constantly nitpicking during a year that has the success come so easily.... in a league full of just awful teams. 

You do... I don't at all... not like before.

And again...inside the 20....not inside the 5.   

32nd rated P is a legit gripe. The fact we are fifth in the league needing to even punt has clearly covered that flaw well. Third S/starting Dime/backup Slot seems very important. Your lack of respect for depth is actually surprising. That you just don’t think having a Dime package matters to Gannon or something, is it ignorance or nativity? 5 DB being the base D for the whole league I respect that third CB and third S. I respect that second TE and even third TE. That third WR the same. Up and down the roster. I was completely pissed and embarrassed we were facing Epps and Harris starting this season. Wallace as third string. Clear to me all along it wasn’t near good enough. Thankfully somehow it was made clear enough to Rosie to force him into action. Believe it had to be that glaringly pathetic for him to admit his failure right then. But he owned up and addressed it. At least got that second starter. Wallace still was backup starting Dime. Did they ever throw at Wallace and it wasn’t completed? Just consider and think on that….Wallace has been completely terrible….yet Gannon still felt the need to play Dime. You have to….even knowing how bad it is. There’s your answer right there. 
 Laughable you say it’s tiresome me looking deeply at the actual shortcomings on a team that’s only had one loss. Yet that one loss came exactly because of that shortcoming I’ve been nitpicking. Shocking or surprising? Not at all. Seems to me you’ve been the most nit picky of anybody here. You seemingly poo poo each win. State how we should easily win every game. You nitpick and belittle what we are accomplishing exact week. I’m just not caught up in the rainbows and unicorns so much to not see some glaring deficiencies. S room sucked. I was nitpicking. Rosie traded for Ceedy Duce. Run D stunk…I was nitpicking…Rosie brought in Suh and Joseph. P stinks. Rated 32nd. So obviously feels like my nitpicking is well founded. You nitpick Hurts endlessly. Don’t think our running QB can win in the postseason. I disagree. I’m greedy. Want to win it all. So we are looking at things differently. That’s fine. I’m judging based on what can hold us back. You’re convinced it’s Hurts. I’m not convinced it’s anything. But am noticing our weaknesses. We have a very good team. I’ve been watching ball a long time. Not the best team I’ve ever seen. But I’ll be disappointed if we lose. Really hurt. Why do we lose? You’re a hindsight only guy. I get that. I’m a notice the detail and see how things look to be going more type. You’ll point out in hindsight your reasoning. I predict the reason. I was composing how Rosie was doing in 2018 and after. Pointing out how things were going downhill. You start complaining in 2019 and then are confident in 2020 he’s making mistakes. After 2020 you’re convinced Rosie lost his mind choosing Hurts over Wentz. I’m clearing seeing how the only choice is Hurts over Wentz. You complain about missing the stop sign. I’m pointing to the stop sign ahead.

4 hours ago, joemas6 said:

And i will say that luck is involved when finding opportunities to make moves. 

Lucky Tennessee didn't want to pay AJ.  Luck that the Ridley situation fell through.   Luck that the Saints front office was dumb enough to trade us.

That's part of being a good front office, communication and staying on top of the player market.   Then these lucky opportunities find themselves. 

Sure our FO is brilliant for bringing in AJ, Bradbury and Ceedy. Take those huge blockbuster moves away how things looking? You know if you base things on the actual FO plan. Tried to do several WR moves. Go with the plan and the AJ move never happens. Lucky the FO failed so they could succeed so greatly. FO plan at CB? No idea. Actions told me they had no plan. McPherson is all we could assume they were thinking. So thankfully Giants cut Bradbury. All the sudden FO is brilliant! Late dropped stud corner falls in our laps. Plan of nothing becomes all star corner. S is just a flat acknowledgement of how badly the FO recognized their plan was in that room. So deficient they had to trade for somebody…,any body. They didn’t trade for Ceedy because oh this great player became available let’s see make that move. They actively were hinting to fix a massive problem. Like I said. Give credit that FO closed the deal on each of the three. Just acknowledge those three weren’t the FO plan. Harris, McPherson and Ridley were their plan instead. Just those three players make a huge difference in the level of this years team. All three All Pro level play this season…at least arguably. So happy we went from bums to All Pros at all three positions. Season changing. Harris is back this week now though. We’ll see how great he does? I expect a dropoff from CGJ. But I’m just basing it on all of last season watching Harris play here. You know, your area, hindsight.

5 hours ago, joemas6 said:

Ham.. stop ... just stop.  Doesn't matter how long the process...you are here to see the starting point at the end of last year with a roster full of holes you needed both hands and at least one foot to count.   You are complaining about backup position.  One backup.  

Again..  THIS YEAR.  the job that was done to get players and future assets.  This year who did a better job from February to now in building the roster and getting future assets?  

See..you post with such authority on the subject of backup safety... yet you can't look around the league and comment on other teams backups? 

Then to me, you lose credibility.   You need a comparison when complaining about something. 

Like today we can say dial up internet is slow.  25-28 years ago not so much because what did we have to compare to?   So making a statement like the backup S wasn't addressed...master plan... to try to make the Eagles front office look bad... but refuse to compare to any other team...doesn't make your point.

We both agree the coach is Dallas is bad.   But we do so because we have other coaches to compare against.   You need to the same with the S in order to show why it's bad. 

I started by complaining about bringing back Harris. Pissed me off. Whole season here we saw he wasn’t looking good anymore. Then watched as they did nothing. Harris was the whole plan. So let’s follow the actual ‘b16ch timeline’ here. I was complaining about the S room to start TC. Was I right? Well Harris they just dropped and actively and desperately had to trade for a S. So yeah, I feel justified and confirmed the S room sucked right up until season starting basically. Does having two starters and Wallace the starting Dime/backup FS/ backup SS/ possible some version backup Slot seem like a good plan? I was nitpicking and complaining  in TC it wasn’t. Now we saw him play and give up every pass they attempted at him. I mean seriously it was like QB rating against him was almost perfect. Get into missed tackles and so on. So I do feel justified in my complaint. I said it sucked. We saw him play terrible. Him playing so bad yet Gannon still kept forcing that Dime package out there. What’s that tells you? Terribly flawed personnel yet he still trotted it out. To me, it tells that Gannon needs a Dime. You know, like every DC in the NFL. So how much more would we have actually seen Dime if we didn’t have a bum playing the Dime S? Nobody can answer for sure. But the easy answer is more….clearly more. Three quality S possibly very much more. Then an injury happened to CGJ. Is this a shocking new revelation to you that this stuff happens. We have a backup LT and a backup RT. But you can’t see any point in needing a backup S for two different players? Add slot its three different players. All the sudden this just unimportant to you backup is a massive and obvious need. Could either S get injured? Yep. Even two S get injured? Yep. Whole defensive pass defense package(Dime) depends on him. Wow one guy backing up three spots and starting Dime. Feels important to me. Not starting QB important. 
  I did compare other teams.

I lost credibility complaint in TC about S? Really? It was terrible. I’m not looking for your approval. I feel and felt this way. So I obviously feel like my credibility is right on point with this. We desperately traded for a S and started him before he even got introduced to his teammates week one. Then now have two S injured. Wondering how my credibility is lost right when the need is so obviously present. Just picked back up a guy off the streets to start at S. Seems like everything I’m saying at S has played out exactly like I’ve feared. I mean really….my credibility is lost because it happened exactly like I said…since TC? Laughable. I’ll take your vote of no confidence as a badge of honor. Go back and watch past film of Wallace at Dime. Educate yourself. Ask yourself why we cut Harris? Then why he was available just to pick up at this time of year? Check check check to my credibility. But hey, I want to win the SB. You don’t see Hurts having a prayer to win in the postseason. So I can see how it’s little small potatoes to you and much bigger issue for me. 

Is a third CB important? Third WR? A third G? Third T? Any or none? Or is S just not important enough? Personally they all are important. T and G maybe don’t contribute. The others actually are starters in their packages. So is it just you don’t think Dime works in todays NFL? It’s just extra fluff for a DC. I’m not even sure what all here you think is so unimportant. 

5 hours ago, joemas6 said:

Btw... teams throw out of their own endzone more now.    I think this is where the mobile QB helps a lot.   Much different than bunch up at the line just to get your punter to have space. Teams are looking to score every time now, not play field position and win 10-7.   Those days are gone.

Divisional Round last year Titans 16- Bengals 19.      Niners 13 - Pack 10 not real sure about all the 10-7 years your referring. But clearly last year these teams were very far from scoring every time. How many 95 yard drives did the Niners and packers game have to get to 13-10? Eight or nine, right? Or zero? Hmmmm