Gibbs,Scott,Sermon,Gainwell

https://www.profootballnetwork.com/jahmyr-gibbs-rb-alabama-nfl-draft-scouting-report-2023/  Sounds right up our alley in the RBBC

1 hour ago, GreenbleedinNC said:

No we needed Dax Hill. His impact this year is so great I never hear his name? LOL

We’ll be hoping to hear good name calling from Harris we sadly were ready to repeat as starter this year that instead we cut. Lucky for us that terrible idea was so bad Ant still didn’t have a job so he could be our emergency option. Sadly still leaves Wallace as starting Dime. If youre Bears OC isn’t your game plan highlighting attacking our S? Clearly what I’m seeing in my head written on all the White Boards/iPads whatever. Bears team message this week: relax and forget all the bad plays…go to the gimme well attacking Eags S. Hit Harris with confidence. If the Eags dare put three S out on the field eat at the buffet.

https://www.profootballnetwork.com/eli-ricks-cb-alabama-nfl-draft-scouting-report-2023/  Round 2 possibly

5 hours ago, cunninghamtheman said:

Is Quez just a backup? Third WR and all. Or Is he starting 11personell WR? Also backup for Swoll Batman and Skinny Batman? That thirdWr important to you?

Let's make it simple...since this was the only post I read.... not going to read the novels.   Make a quick point and move on.

Here is mine.   When criticizing a position or player we have.   Compare that guy to his counterparts around the league. 

Very simple.  Having the 23rd best punting net out of 32 is legit.   Then when I say another 5 feet gets him toward the top, it's a legit counter.    If you say the 5 feet is important to you,  then fine. But stop with comparing inside the 5 to a touch back.  That’s not 5 feet, that's 45 feet...big difference. Apples to apples. 

 

As for Wallace, I think compared to our other 3 safeties,he isn't as good.   But you want to have a legit criticism of him... then show me a comparison with the #4 S around the league.... because that's his position. 

1 hour ago, GreenbleedinNC said:

https://www.bengals.com/team/players-roster/dax-hill/ He will be good in time. So will the guys we drafted. Pity we don't get the first 10 picks every draft. Dax- 3 solo 2 assist,no picks IDK about PBU's. Davis more of a stud already. 

Next season ,when their All Pro starting S leaves for 20 mil a season payday Dax will take over. I’ve been high on the kid. He can play, but also runs a 4.3 forty as a S. I’ll trust in my opinion and also the Bengals opinion as he’d be the third straight stud S option they’ve chosen. His measurables are elite. His tape looked elite. Their S scouting Dept looks elite. So if it quacks like a duck I think it probably is a duck. 

And overall... go over other rosters and tell me which ones are better.   That will be the legit complaint of your GM.   Can't cherry pick positions just  make a point.... unless you feel other 32 teams have them all covered. 

Maybe you don't like the roster.... and so you think the coach is the key factor...that would be a legit point. 

3 minutes ago, cunninghamtheman said:

Next season ,when their All Pro starting S leaves for 20 mil a season payday Dax will take over. I’ve been high on the kid. He can play, but also runs a 4.3 forty as a S. I’ll trust in my opinion and also the Bengals opinion as he’d be the third straight stud S option they’ve chosen. His measurables are elite. His tape looked elite. Their S scouting Dept looks elite. So if it quacks like a duck I think it probably is a duck. 

Ok...and then when looking at your opinion...   you need to factor in the players the Eagles get with the assets acquired from the Saints

Apples to apples 

Man this obsession with the safety position... I don't get it.   Especially with looking at the situation on both our lines?   

1 hour ago, stine said:

OK, they have the Eagles pick at #5 as of now. Should the Eagles end up at that position, I wonder if HR would trade down to 9 or 10 grabbing an additional 1st and this year's second. That is allot of draft capital and hard to ignore, even if it means not grabbing a long term solution at DE..... I guess the question is who would be available at 10 should they trade back? You have to think at least 4 QB's would be taken before then. So taking possibly the 5th or 6th best player worth a swap for possibly the 1st or 2nd? I am interested to see how NO does the next two weeks....... they lose both... WOW

You take the stud at 5. Take the No brainer elite Dline. You only trade back if somebody gives you just a ridiculous offer that can’t be denied. I’m not so interested in winning the Draft Wars on paper so we can get the bundle of Reagor, JJAW and The Fireman over taking Bosa. Take Bosa!

there is something to be said about that Ham. Parsons went at like 12. We took Smith a couple before that I think. So the picks at 9-10 could be a Sosa type player. Now that Howie seems to trust his scouts, we should get a Great Player there. Possibly the 2nd or 3rd best D-Line player on the board. Normally the first 2-3 are studs in any draft. At least that is what Howie is paid to work out. So gaining picks may be fine..... I guess we should first find out where the pick ends up. Could be a non factor if it lands around 10.....

42 minutes ago, cunninghamtheman said:

Absolutely I’ve been completely wrong at times. I’ll own that. 

You will own Ziggy was not as good as Lane

You will own that Dallas does not manage contracts and cap well

You will own that poor drafting for years was the issue for the Eagles drop off.

You will own Dream Team defensive philosophy was just dumb because you don't start the game with a lead 

You will own that Howie did the best job building the 2022 roster of any GM this year?

And you will own Hurts was the reason we lost vs the Giants last year?

7 minutes ago, cunninghamtheman said:

You take the stud at 5. Take the No brainer elite Dline. You only trade back if somebody gives you just a ridiculous offer that can’t be denied. I’m not so interested in winning the Draft Wars on paper so we can get the bundle of Reagor, JJAW and The Fireman over taking Bosa. Take Bosa!

Agree..  needs to be another ridiculous offer like the Saints trade,  otherwise take the player.   

1 hour ago, GreenbleedinNC said:

So basically they added 4 players to the PS and you can protect them every Tuesday(player names can vary)

Which means they are available to the league first. Which is a much more ideal way to go about things than expanding the roster. The quality of the games are reliant on what talent is readily available. You just can’t have enough backups and plan for every injury scenario. PS poaching and hitting the street is always going to be a factor. Easy way to understand this concept is simply: imagine the quality of game play if the league just erased four teams. 212 rostered players spread out to add to the remaining teams. Every team would be more talented. Adding teams…or even roster spots just waters down the quality we see on the field. Talented football players is a finite pool. Imagine how great the quality would be of each game if the NFL only had twelve teams. Now imagine the quality of each game if the NFL had another four team division in each conference.

2 minutes ago, stine said:

there is something to be said about that Ham. Parsons went at like 12. We took Smith a couple before that I think. So the picks at 9-10 could be a Sosa type player. Now that Howie seems to trust his scouts, we should get a Great Player there. Possibly the 2nd or 3rd best D-Line player on the board. Normally the first 2-3 are studs in any draft. At least that is what Howie is paid to work out. So gaining picks may be fine..... I guess we should first find out where the pick ends up. Could be a non factor if it lands around 10.....

I see 2 scenarios where the trade could be the move...

1. Prior to the draft ( Saints style) ...a team wants a QB...they use our pick to then move up further with another trade.

2.  While on the clock... there is a team that really wants that player, so they make us a ridiculous offer.

Otherwise,I agree with taking the player that is your target.

1 hour ago, GreenbleedinNC said:

I think with all the players we will have to turn loose we should get back a comp pick or 2,so that could be helpful also

In 2024

46 minutes ago, cunninghamtheman said:

FL this game against the Bears I don’t want to overlook. But ideally we just jump all over them. Get up big scoring right off the bat. Then we can, not take the foot off the gas so much, but go to those secondary and third options mostly to finish off the game. Be nice to not need to expose AJ, Smitty and Goedert to a bunch of hits in the second half. If we could utilize Pascal, Calc types to finish off Da Bears! Stomp on Chicago right off the bat enough our studs can be enjoying the worlds best pizza and steak the second half maximizing their mini vacation in the Windy City. All the elite stores in Chicago also. So great opportunity for them to personally pick up those Christmas gifts. Or at least see the Field Museum. I mean the actual museum, not that alien space ship of a stadium that landed in the old columns of what you can see used to be something normal to play football in.

Or get on the plane and come right back home?

1 minute ago, cunninghamtheman said:

In 2024

And can be used in trade in 2023.

8 minutes ago, cunninghamtheman said:

Talented football players is a finite pool.

Agree, that's why it's pretty unreasonable to believe a team can have quality all over the roster... including ALL the backups.  Gotta choose what to prioritize. 

16 minutes ago, stine said:

there is something to be said about that Ham. Parsons went at like 12. We took Smith a couple before that I think. So the picks at 9-10 could be a Sosa type player. Now that Howie seems to trust his scouts, we should get a Great Player there. Possibly the 2nd or 3rd best D-Line player on the board. Normally the first 2-3 are studs in any draft. At least that is what Howie is paid to work out. So gaining picks may be fine..... I guess we should first find out where the pick ends up. Could be a non factor if it lands around 10.....

Also... don't rule out that we may trade up from wherever the Saints pick ends up.  

1 hour ago, stine said:

Welp, Get Pick 10, pick 41 and an additional 1st in 2024..... Hard to pass up. 2024 draft would consist of 2 first round picks, 2 second round picks and 2 5th round picks along with a 3rd, 4th and 6th.....

All just comes down to what you do with the picks. Do you pass up a sure fire Sauce Gardner to move back to a much more iffy first round selection, second round selection and I known next draft first? If you make three great selections the multiple always wins. Get third day picks and choose Brady and Kelce then great move. Get Reagor with first round and JJAW with second…terrible move. My thinking is it’s tough to pass on the very much more sure fire selection. Bosa is just so much higher percentage pick to hit on type of logic. But I consider all options. Not of the mindset our draft room is so much smarter than everybody else making picks though. Lean more towards them just trading up to get their guy than regardless sitting pat and putting full trust in the Board. If that makes sense to you.

1 minute ago, cunninghamtheman said:

Not of the mindset our draft room is so much smarter than everybody else making picks though. 

I don't think anyone on here is of that mindset.    

46 minutes ago, GreenbleedinNC said:

https://www.profootballnetwork.com/jahmyr-gibbs-rb-alabama-nfl-draft-scouting-report-2023/  Sounds right up our alley in the RBBC

You think we’ll start a committee approach again…especially after taking a top draft RB? Seems opposite thinking to me. Go from Sanders and friends…to top pick but now having committee? I’d assume it would be even more lopsidedly Gibbs and friends.

41 minutes ago, joemas6 said:

Let's make it simple...since this was the only post I read.... not going to read the novels.   Make a quick point and move on.

Here is mine.   When criticizing a position or player we have.   Compare that guy to his counterparts around the league. 

Very simple.  Having the 23rd best punting net out of 32 is legit.   Then when I say another 5 feet gets him toward the top, it's a legit counter.    If you say the 5 feet is important to you,  then fine. But stop with comparing inside the 5 to a touch back.  That’s not 5 feet, that's 45 feet...big difference. Apples to apples. 

 

I said our P sucks. PFF ranks him at 32. My prediction is aging better than your hindsight.

The last 2 years the Eagles moved up to get their draft target.  That shows me they had a target and went after it.   That's what I want to see now. 

If we get a Saints package early...take it...if we then have to move up while a team is on the clock...then do it. 

In both cases the trade off was excellent getting a 1st round pick... but unloading 3rd and 4th rounders.  And still getting the target.