1 minute ago, cunninghamtheman said:

I said our P sucks. PFF ranks him at 32. My prediction is aging better than your hindsight.

Again...my point, what negative impact has he had over the last 2 years? Which game did he matter?

And the other point....it's 5 feet net average away from being a top punter. 

Don't give me PFF when talking about a punter.  I just showed the new guy had a worse net...but was ranked 14th.   How does a guy with a worse net get ranked 17 slots higher.    Should tell you PFF for punting probably isn't the way to go.

But we can win a SB now with this new punter.... so you should be more confident now

8 minutes ago, cunninghamtheman said:

You think we’ll start a committee approach again…especially after taking a top draft RB? Seems opposite thinking to me. Go from Sanders and friends…to top pick but now having committee? I’d assume it would be even more lopsidedly Gibbs and friends.

Right...no Sanders or a top pick... priority needs to be addressing other spots. 

41 minutes ago, joemas6 said:

As for Wallace, I think compared to our other 3 safeties,he isn't as good.   But you want to have a legit criticism of him... then show me a comparison with the #4 S around the league.... because that's his position. 

His position was number two S about one week before the season. Which is terrible. So Rosie was forced to finally do something. Made a trade. Pushed Wallace back to number 3 S. He stunk so bad that he was pushed back to number 4 what, three weeks ago? So at what point are we judging? Week and half before the season he was number two S. Judgment is S room weak. Week 1- 11 he was number three. Judgement S room was thin. Week 12ish whatever before CGJ was injured Wallace being fourth S room at season high. Come playoffs? Wallace probably cut or on PS. S room looking much better. So are we comparing Wallace as number 2? 3? 4? Or PS? Wallace sucks is the answer for all…but as PS it’s not so crucial.

Just now, cunninghamtheman said:

His position was number two S about one week before the season. Which is terrible. So Rosie was forced to finally do something. Made a trade. Pushed Wallace back to number 3 S. He stunk so bad that he was pushed back to number 4 what, three weeks ago? So at what point are we judging? Week and half before the season he was number two S. Judgment is S room weak. Week 1- 11 he was number three. Judgement S room was thin. Week 12ish whatever before CGJ was injured Wallace being fourth S room at season high. Come playoffs? Wallace probably cut or on PS. S room looking much better. So are we comparing Wallace as number 2? 3? 4? Or PS? Wallace sucks is the answer for all…but as PS it’s not so crucial.

His position is #4 safety.   

The timing of when you build the roster is irrelevant.   Remember our RB situation going into 2017...we had Sproles... that's it.  Nobody drafted... we got Blount after the draft....traded for Ajayi... Clement was UDFA..  Smallwood was the #2.

Should we not count our SB win because we didn't get RB early enough?  

Who cares about the timing?  If anything give credit to a GM that keeps working, not the ones who are done in April.

46 minutes ago, joemas6 said:

And overall... go over other rosters and tell me which ones are better.   That will be the legit complaint of your GM.   Can't cherry pick positions just  make a point.... unless you feel other 32 teams have them all covered. 

Maybe you don't like the roster.... and so you think the coach is the key factor...that would be a legit point. 

I like our team overall. Things really worked out incredible for us to especially get those three stud players added in AJ, CGJ and Bradbury. Not sure what your question is now? You keep changing it with each response to better fit your agenda. I’ve answered all different versions pretty thoroughly though. But I’m not wasting my time giving very thoughtful responses just so you can first deny I even answer and then second admit you aren’t even willing to read the very in depth answers. 

39 minutes ago, stine said:

there is something to be said about that Ham. Parsons went at like 12. We took Smith a couple before that I think. So the picks at 9-10 could be a Sosa type player. Now that Howie seems to trust his scouts, we should get a Great Player there. Possibly the 2nd or 3rd best D-Line player on the board. Normally the first 2-3 are studs in any draft. At least that is what Howie is paid to work out. So gaining picks may be fine..... I guess we should first find out where the pick ends up. Could be a non factor if it lands around 10.....

10 is NOT a non factor Bresee will be in that area. Another DT to add with Davis means we don't have to go scout and grab old guys to fill in the blanks(unless we CHOOSE TO) I believe everyone in round 1 is usable,or why would they be there? Would have to really be a CRAP no talent draft. But they just keep cranking out better college players,SO I can't see that. Gibbs as the 2nd RB off the board at 32 seems like extreme value and for sure a "factor" in our RBBC if that's how things go

Just now, cunninghamtheman said:

I like our team overall. Things really worked out incredible for us to especially get those three stud players added in AJ, CGJ and Bradbury. Not sure what your question is now? You keep changing it with each response to better fit your agenda. I’ve answered all different versions pretty thoroughly though. But I’m not wasting my time giving very thoughtful responses just so you can first deny I even answer and then second admit you aren’t even willing to read the very in depth answers. 

Same question....which GM you feel did a better job.  You got 31 other guys ss a possible answer.   Same question....if you ever answer a question directly...maybe no need to waste so much time. 

50 minutes ago, joemas6 said:

And overall... go over other rosters and tell me which ones are better.   That will be the legit complaint of your GM.   Can't cherry pick positions just  make a point.... unless you feel other 32 teams have them all covered. 

Maybe you don't like the roster.... and so you think the coach is the key factor...that would be a legit point. 

The legit praise and complaint of our GM was thoroughly addressed in my posts you refuse to read. Read my answer or stop asking me questions. But don’t falsely accuse me of not answering. Not answering is your department. You never answered my question. That’s a fair factual statement.

3 minutes ago, cunninghamtheman said:

I like our team overall. Things really worked out incredible for us to especially get those three stud players added in AJ, CGJ and Bradbury. Not sure what your question is now? You keep changing it with each response to better fit your agenda. I’ve answered all different versions pretty thoroughly though. But I’m not wasting my time giving very thoughtful responses just so you can first deny I even answer and then second admit you aren’t even willing to read the very in depth answers. 

Ham... suggestion for you... a question I'd asked.... start you post with... My answer is this...  and then here is why.  Then the novel will have a better chance to be read. 

When you dance around an answer...it doesn't make you sound smart...it makes it look like you are spewing BS.  

1 minute ago, cunninghamtheman said:

The legit praise and complaint of our GM was thoroughly addressed in my posts you refuse to read. Read my answer or stop asking me questions. But don’t falsely accuse me of not answering. Not answering is your department. You never answered my question. That’s a fair factual statement.

Ok... same question...which out of the other 31 GMs.. you feel did a better job?

Very simple question.  Names of GMs or team names would be a legit start to a post... you want to add the novel afterwards..I might read it...but not without the answer first. 

42 minutes ago, joemas6 said:

Or get on the plane and come right back home?

And can be used in trade in 2023.

Ham on ignore,but really we're playing for a pizza party this week?? If that's the case Siri needs fired Monday morning. For THIS game I am using Joes approach. We can move the ball running/short passes,chew the clock,gas the D as long as we score when we get there. I see this as a low scoring deal. I'm thinking around 27-17 with not alot of effort. Not that I want us to quit,but we should be on "coast" in this one. Although Fields is improving,he has limited weapons. If we get beat deep it's because someone was napping

43 minutes ago, stine said:

there is something to be said about that Ham. Parsons went at like 12. We took Smith a couple before that I think. So the picks at 9-10 could be a Sosa type player. Now that Howie seems to trust his scouts, we should get a Great Player there. Possibly the 2nd or 3rd best D-Line player on the board. Normally the first 2-3 are studs in any draft. At least that is what Howie is paid to work out. So gaining picks may be fine..... I guess we should first find out where the pick ends up. Could be a non factor if it lands around 10.....

Agreed. First see what the actual pick is. Then realize much more the actual draft Big Board situation. After we get that far I can have a much more educated opinion on my thoughts. Both those variables are too great for me to be locked in one way or the other. Right now the one for sure thing we can all agree on is Saints need to lose! Higher the pick clearly better both options become. We’ll come back to this discussion after the parade 😉

45 minutes ago, joemas6 said:

Agree..  needs to be another ridiculous offer like the Saints trade,  otherwise take the player.   

Nothing ridiculous at all there. Pretty fair swap for us to postpone adding talent so they could get their guy now. Saints lose out the rest of the season makes the trade value charts lean more our way. If we fall short this season of our goals by a small margin it will be considered ridiculous we squandered the opportunity to easily just add talent we could have easily just reached out and taken. Considering most contending teams not only don’t trade away their first round picks in the current draft….they trade next years picks to go for it. I’ve beat to death now my opinion of we should have been going for it this season by adding two more talented players in the 2022 draft. Great part is those draft picks not only help us now …they are building blocks for years also. Win/win that 2024 pick is studying his Big Ten playbook right now…he can’t assist us on the way to a parade now.

1 minute ago, cunninghamtheman said:

Nothing ridiculous at all there. Pretty fair swap for us to postpone adding talent so they could get their guy now. Saints lose out the rest of the season makes the trade value charts lean more our way. If we fall short this season of our goals by a small margin it will be considered ridiculous we squandered the opportunity to easily just add talent we could have easily just reached out and taken. Considering most contending teams not only don’t trade away their first round picks in the current draft….they trade next years picks to go for it. I’ve beat to death now my opinion of we should have been going for it this season by adding two more talented players in the 2022 draft. Great part is those draft picks not only help us now …they are building blocks for years also. Win/win that 2024 pick is studying his Big Ten playbook right now…he can’t assist us on the way to a parade now.

Pick swap 19 for 18...cancel out the late rounder swap..

So they gave us 3rd round 2022, 1st round 2023, 2nd 2024 ...for one pick.   They used that pick plus another to get a WR.   4 picks invested on getting a WR...they were desperate.  

We get that offer again...we take it.  Don't even think.  That then gives you ammo to move back up if needed.

 

Work Goedert back in. No need to press him hard,but get the rust off. Let Calc and Stoll play but get Goedert involved a bit. Calc needs the experience,Stoll doesn't but he's not a top TE. he is a good blocker which suits the "coast" offense. Toss a few shorties to the WR's keep them happy. Maybe we get a glimpse of Sermon(or not). Give Sanders his touches,but let gains and Scott play. Make sure the plays come off cleanly,no screwups. Great tune-up game for us. great timing!!!! then take down dem boyz

1 hour ago, joemas6 said:

Ok...and then when looking at your opinion...   you need to factor in the players the Eagles get with the assets acquired from the Saints

Apples to apples 

This is fair. Only thing we know for certain right now is that trade isn’t assisting with us throwing a parade this year. That’s what I’d like. Understand you don’t think our running QB can win in the postseason. Different expectations….which is so funny since you’ve written us in as the top seed weeks ago and I’m still focused on avoiding being a Wild Card team. Only the two of us could have such conflicting in multiple ways opinions. The guy convinced we are the one seed doesn’t think we can win in the playoffs. The guy not convinced we aren’t a Wild Card seed is wanting to go to the SB. Only No Mas and Ham could ever accomplish such a complicated conflicting stance.

2 minutes ago, joemas6 said:

Pick swap 19 for 18...cancel out the late rounder swap..

So they gave us 3rd round 2022, 1st round 2023, 2nd 2024 ...for one pick.   They used that pick plus another to get a WR.   4 picks invested on getting a WR...they were desperate.  

We get that offer again...we take it.  Don't even think.  That then gives you ammo to move back up if needed.

 

OMG are we still beating this horse? That horse died in the stretch a long time ago and I sold off the bit. I'll take 2 1's plus other picks for ONE round 1 all day every day "Pro" consensus-Saints were raped by Howie. IDK anyone who felt otherwise.

1 minute ago, cunninghamtheman said:

This is fair. Only thing we know for certain right now is that trade isn’t assisting with us throwing a parade this year. That’s what I’d like. Understand you don’t think our running QB can win in the postseason. Different expectations….which is so funny since you’ve written us in as the top seed weeks ago and I’m still focused on avoiding being a Wild Card team. Only the two of us could have such conflicting in multiple ways opinions. The guy convinced we are the one seed doesn’t think we can win in the playoffs. The guy not convinced we aren’t a Wild Card seed is wanting to go to the SB. Only No Mas and Ham could ever accomplish such a complicated conflicting stance.

Idk... we got a 2022 3rd rounder that we were able to use for AJ instead of trading the pick we used for Dean.   

How much Dean is contributing over anyone else ...and then assuming the Eagles would take that player... which you and I agree...we don't have the confidence in our draft team the further down round 1 we get.  

The trade offer would have went to another team if not us.. the Saints were desperate.  Gotta take that at the time.

6 minutes ago, cunninghamtheman said:

This is fair. Only thing we know for certain right now is that trade isn’t assisting with us throwing a parade this year. That’s what I’d like. Understand you don’t think our running QB can win in the postseason. Different expectations….which is so funny since you’ve written us in as the top seed weeks ago and I’m still focused on avoiding being a Wild Card team. Only the two of us could have such conflicting in multiple ways opinions. The guy convinced we are the one seed doesn’t think we can win in the playoffs. The guy not convinced we aren’t a Wild Card seed is wanting to go to the SB. Only No Mas and Ham could ever accomplish such a complicated conflicting stance.

When did I say we can't win in the playoffs?   My point was the running QB struggles in the playoffs when teams look to sellout in stopping it. 

I've been a " let's see what happens,  let the season play out from the start "

Too many factors...did those other running QBs have the WR weapons we do?   How does Siri and the coaching game plan and adjust?   Does Hurts look to pass more?  Who knows.

The opponents matter too.  This is where we differ.  Dallas and Minnesota,  I have a much lower opinion than you.   And Dallas can win the matchup...but if forced to beat Chicago, Saints and Giants..  I don't see our team losing.   

My issue is Tampa and SF.   But those teams have lost a QB, Deebo hurt and Tampa just sucks now.   So I'm going to absolutely think it's a failure not to win the NFC.

But that playoffs are the way we could lose...to probably only SF.   I can't see us losing to Chicago, NY or Saints....that's pathetic. 

5) Philadelphia Eagles: Myles Murphy, EDGE, Clemson

The more wins the Eagles rack up, the more shocking it is to see them drafting in the top five — thanks, New Orleans. Taking advantage of their early selection, Philly adds to an already strong defensive line by snatching Clemson’s Myles Murphy.

Murphy can move up and down the line and is already a stout run defender. Let him refine his game in the Eagles’ loaded locker room and the 6’5″, 275-pound pass rusher could reach his ceiling sooner rather than later.     Just got this in my in box. This is who I had also FWIW

1 hour ago, joemas6 said:

You will own Ziggy was not as good as Lane

You will own that Dallas does not manage contracts and cap well

You will own that poor drafting for years was the issue for the Eagles drop off.

You will own Dream Team defensive philosophy was just dumb because you don't start the game with a lead 

You will own that Howie did the best job building the 2022 roster of any GM this year?

And you will own Hurts was the reason we lost vs the Giants last year?

I’ll own the first one. Everybody around Ziggy raved at the NFL level how elite a pass rusher he was. Lions screwed up his career. Great player….terrible organization. But Lane has proven to be an elite player for years for us when not suspended or disappearing midseason.

 The others…I can, AT BEST,  only say those statements tell half the story. As positive as I can make out of your glaring tunnel vision ignoring all aspects.

Really...in watching the Eagles over the years... we have seen them play down to the level of the opponent. 

This year we haven't at all.   Washington game we had injuries and fluke turnovers that you don’t see regularly.   Still could have won with last minute TD.

I can't see a reason why anyone would think we lose the other 3 games outside of Dallas...and think Dallas runs the table?   

31) Philadelphia Eagles: Bijan Robinson, RB, Texas

With their top-five pick, the Eagles addressed the defensive side of the ball. But with the final pick in this 2023 NFL Mock Draft, they turn their attention toward Jalen Hurts and Co. Miles Sanders is a quality back, but imagine Bijan Robinson in this offense?

A backfield of Hurts and Robinson with Goedert at TE and A.J. Brown and DeVonta Smith at WR? Yea, good luck stopping that. Simply put, the dynamism of that backfield duo alone would be too much for defenses to handle.                         I disagree with this one because I don't feel Robs will be here this late in the game,so I have Gibbs here.                     Then again, that depends on the off season,but I can't rule out a RB this early. So basically they have my 1/2 picks,only difference is the name at RB

3 minutes ago, GreenbleedinNC said:

5) Philadelphia Eagles: Myles Murphy, EDGE, Clemson

The more wins the Eagles rack up, the more shocking it is to see them drafting in the top five — thanks, New Orleans. Taking advantage of their early selection, Philly adds to an already strong defensive line by snatching Clemson’s Myles Murphy.

Murphy can move up and down the line and is already a stout run defender. Let him refine his game in the Eagles’ loaded locker room and the 6’5″, 275-pound pass rusher could reach his ceiling sooner rather than later.     Just got this in my in box. This is who I had also FWIW

Good stuff...I will look into this more after the season when I know which pick we get.