1 hour ago, GreenbleedinNC said:

When we negotiate with Sanders,he needs to know a RB is on the table. I'm sure he knows LOL. So he can old out if he wants,if it's too high see ya!

I think the real point comes down to what’s too high in FO mind versus too low in Sanders mind and the market shows

  But are we accepting of not contending next season? Because if the goal next season is to complete the Championship roster puzzle….then I can see versions on both sides….not even offering Sanders a contract or willingly paying more than we’d actually like. Nobody wants to overpay. Everybody wants to get a good deal. But the decisions are based on many different players/options/ positions. So how much a S costs actually effects the RB decision. The FA options matter. Not just at RB but all positions. Draft options matter. I could see paying a million more than you think Sanders should be worth so we can address the rest of the team in other ways. I could also see the opposite in we can only offer Sanders two mil less than market value because of what we prioritize at other positions. Stuff like this offseason we can buy a Corner bit hard to draft a corner….so we pay the corner and let Sanders walk because drafting a RB is available.

  Not sure if I expressed my point well enough for you to understand. Whole big picture has to addressed. Hate to see us fail just because we balked on a bit of available money so we went weak in the Rb room. Applies to everybody and every position…not just Sanders. Just pointing out it doesn’t really work to put up a Christmas tree, decorate it with the fanciest ornaments and most spectacular lights ever…if you didn’t pay the power bill. If that helps better get across my point of the whole picture fulfillment.

Since

Since my fantasy "Carr at QB" strategy failed I had to post this. I am still in the playoffs in 3/4 leagues(but Carr is outta here lol)

9 minutes ago, cunninghamtheman said:

I think the real point comes down to what’s too high in FO mind versus too low in Sanders mind and the market shows

  But are we accepting of not contending next season? Because if the goal next season is to complete the Championship roster puzzle….then I can see versions on both sides….not even offering Sanders a contract or willingly paying more than we’d actually like. Nobody wants to overpay. Everybody wants to get a good deal. But the decisions are based on many different players/options/ positions. So how much a S costs actually effects the RB decision. The FA options matter. Not just at RB but all positions. Draft options matter. I could see paying a million more than you think Sanders should be worth so we can address the rest of the team in other ways. I could also see the opposite in we can only offer Sanders two mil less than market value because of what we prioritize at other positions. Stuff like this offseason we can buy a Corner bit hard to draft a corner….so we pay the corner and let Sanders walk because drafting a RB is available.

  Not sure if I expressed my point well enough for you to understand. Whole big picture has to addressed. Hate to see us fail just because we balked on a bit of available money so we went weak in the Rb room. Applies to everybody and every position…not just Sanders. Just pointing out it doesn’t really work to put up a Christmas tree, decorate it with the fanciest ornaments and most spectacular lights ever…if you didn’t pay the power bill. If that helps better get across my point of the whole picture fulfillment.

LOL So we can't contend without Sanders? That's the hinge? I don't feel that way at all. Hurts is our best "RB". I will use the 8 million saved to retain a secondary player(or find one or whatever) We could lose Scott too,although I doubt he would have success anywhere else. We have too many players to re-sign,and (as of now) only 4 draft picks. We will have to choose which players we retain because as now have to pay Hurts.I'm not counting the 2 round 7 picks,those are long shot camp bodies

52 minutes ago, GreenbleedinNC said:

After they play us,it's a quick turn for Thursday vs Tenn. I think Jax will give them problems and they could easliy lose to Tenn on the quick turn. Even if by chance we lose to them(which I doubt) I want to beat them up so they lose to Tenn lol

Wow... Dallas with an away Thursday game for once... but still extra day of rest.  I believe they have never had to go away on a Thursday after playing Sunday.

Lurie rightfully complained about that at the owners meeting a few years ago.  

11 minutes ago, GreenbleedinNC said:

LOL So we can't contend without Sanders? That's the hinge? I don't feel that way at all. Hurts is our best "RB". I will use the 8 million saved to retain a secondary player(or find one or whatever) We could lose Scott too,although I doubt he would have success anywhere else. We have too many players to re-sign,and (as of now) only 4 draft picks. We will have to choose which players we retain because as now have to pay Hurts.I'm not counting the 2 round 7 picks,those are long shot camp bodies

Yeah didn’t think you’d get my point. My point was you gotta address the whole team situation. You can’t use that 32 pick on both RB and CB. Can’t pay everybody. You going to keep White at LB or Sanders at RB? Simplify and get rid of all other factors. You gotta pay one of those and use our second round pick on the other. What’s the best approach? Draft could be loaded with RB and void of LB in that area. In that situation I could see overpaying White so we have a full team.

 Anyway did my best to get across my point. We all want a great deal in signings. I just don’t want to be so cheap and frugal we shoot ourselves in the foot and can’t contend because the price wasn’t perfect.

53 minutes ago, GreenbleedinNC said:

Depends how much quality you want at RB,you can wait until late 2. I thought we changed the subject?? Gibbs is a nice RB,the late 2 guys aren't nearly as talented,so whatever you want,but no sense getting a less talented RB for 4 years when you can have a decent one . BTW there are a few nice DB's in round 2 we can add

Yes...go DB over RB... late round 2 at the earliest for RB, but I'm fine passing on RB too. Not worried about it...we could have Sermon and Gainwell on June 1, and I'll be ok. 

51 minutes ago, GreenbleedinNC said:

Why we need to win the SB LOL

Well I need us to win the SB because i need a new hat.

51 minutes ago, GreenbleedinNC said:

Texans aren't as bad as their record. They have hung in many games. it took all Dullaz had to come back for that win

It’s the NFL…any given Sunday. I’ll choose to wait until we’ve beat the Bears and Cowboys before I go making week two postseason playoff plans.

52 minutes ago, GreenbleedinNC said:

Why we need to win the SB LOL

Already have Fangio in house. Gannon bases his D on Fangio’s principles. Could make an easy case for us upgrading by having Fangio instead of Gannon.

57 minutes ago, cunninghamtheman said:

Being up a few points late in the fourth quarter to the worst team Texans. Battling to the end against Indy. Losing to Wash. Week one coming back against Detroit. Think I’m forgetting one other game this season. That’s four games that don’t support your current theory.

 We don’t have to worry about dropping from the one seed to two…three or four. Only options realistically left are one seed or wild card. Just no in between. Dallas game been the biggest most important game on the schedule the whole time. Preseason up until now. Just not going to fore go all actual results to lock us in at One. I’m clearly rooting for us every week. Not any crazy stretch for us to lose to the second best team in our conference that also happens be in division. I clearly have more respect for NFL teams in general than you. Our team was nose to nose with the four teams this season I mentioned. Not top teams. Odds are with us. But I’m not counting those chickens until they hatch. Just like how you were completely convinced two losses by the Saints would still keep us top ten pick….but then a couple weeks later point out how one loss moves that pick back to 11. So I’m fine if you can’t see a reason we ever lose… although you didn’t think we could win in the postseason. But now seem to backpedal those thoughts. We shouldn’t lose to the Bears, Saints, Wash or Giants. But one already happened. We look to be starting a S that was on the streets last week. I sure hope no more injuries happen…but I’m too realistic to be that naive. NFL….anything can happen. We just straight up can lose to Dallas. Think everybody acknowledges that possibility. But you can’t envision any scenario we lose any other game? Like Hurts gets pulled over a concussion or something messed up even like that? But you go for your supreme confidence. I’ll carry my concerns until after we beat Dallas. We do that then it’s done…not before in my view.

We were up 12 vs Houston...that's not a couple of points? 

We have talked about this subject for years.  Early in the season get the wins and move on.  You want momentum down the stretch...look at how our team is playing the last few weeks?  Why would you expect a loss...but then be confident we win 3 road games as a Wildcard team?  

Doesn't make sense.  One game.. Indy...was where our defense had to stop the opponent to win.  No other game was the opposing offense on the field with a chance to win.

That's fact... along with a 12 point lead vs Houston, not opinions. 

51 minutes ago, GreenbleedinNC said:

https://www.espn.com/nfl/team/schedule/_/name/hou  Lost some games by not much. They have a ways to go,no doubt,but they play hard

Is it impossible after we completely destroyed the giants that we lose the next matchup even?

Just now, cunninghamtheman said:

Is it impossible after we completely destroyed the giants that we lose the next matchup even?

Yes.

I guess i've been a Eagles fan for too long

57 minutes ago, GreenbleedinNC said:

Texans aren't as bad as their record. They have hung in many games. it took all Dullaz had to come back for that win

While we were up 12 and forced a desperate pass from their QB with 3 minutes left.    Completely different. We were in Houston...Dallas was at home.   

Not comparable 

7 minutes ago, joemas6 said:

Yes...go DB over RB... late round 2 at the earliest for RB, but I'm fine passing on RB too. Not worried about it...we could have Sermon and Gainwell on June 1, and I'll be ok. 

If our backfield is so neglected we only have Sermon and Gainwell next season we won’t be playing very long after the regular season….unless we overwhelmingly stack the whole rest of the team. A million factors of who to pay and draft. They all effect the other. Completely downgrading any position group is far from ideal. Need to address all of them. That’s the job of a contending team…if that’s your goal for next season. But we can afford to keep good players because of our brilliant contracts and cap management unlike the cowboys who just lose talent…wasn’t that your point? We don’t have to lose good players. We got Rosie.

46 minutes ago, cunninghamtheman said:

I can see some of your points in basically the thought of not over complicating at least…if I’m not stretching your statement too far to get there. But yeah I could see this applying to the whole winning the Draft Wars on paper stuff. I see the value in taking the No brainer stud even more so because it just takes so much more risk out of the equation. I want the FO to just take Bosa instead of getting a later first and three second rounders. But also for the reason of the elite stars in the NFL are the hardest to obtain and are the biggest difference makers.

I agree... I'm not looking to win a draft trade by 10 points on Jimmy Johnson's chart either.   But if we get another Saints or Miami offer...gotta take it. Then look to move up later for the target.   

IMO... it could end up being we trade down from our own 1st rounder.   

I'm also thinking we may trade up.  I believe we get 4 comp picks... Bradberry,White, Sanders and someone else.  I think we keep CGJ and pay him. He fits the profile...Young still.  

We can use that in a trade scenario to move up. 

5 minutes ago, Asg 15 said:

Yes.

I guess i've been a Eagles fan for too long

That’s all I’m saying…thank you. If it wasn’t for bad luck I’d have no luck at all.

11 minutes ago, Asg 15 said:

Well I need us to win the SB because i need a new hat.

Super Bowl winning sex is way better than Divisional round loser sex!

3 minutes ago, cunninghamtheman said:

If our backfield is so neglected we only have Sermon and Gainwell next season we won’t be playing very long after the regular season….unless we overwhelmingly stack the whole rest of the team. A million factors of who to pay and draft. They all effect the other. Completely downgrading any position group is far from ideal. Need to address all of them. That’s the job of a contending team…if that’s your goal for next season. But we can afford to keep good players because of our brilliant contracts and cap management unlike the cowboys who just lose talent…wasn’t that your point? We don’t have to lose good players. We got Rosie.

We had Sproles and Smallwood going into June of 2017.  I think we will be fine. 

3 minutes ago, cunninghamtheman said:

That’s all I’m saying…thank you. If it wasn’t for bad luck I’d have no luck at all.

Right...great way to live life.   This isn't an Andy Reid or Buddy Ryan team.. it's 2022... we play simple football.  It took multiple flukes to lose to Washington...prior to us addressing the weakness of the run defense. 

With Davis,Suh and Joseph .. that's a much different lineup.  Plus AJ was not 100% 

Personally... I don't feel the hype over a Giants win this year...  it's not 2011.  They suck. No rivalry here at the moment. 

1 hour ago, GreenbleedinNC said:

It's just that edge is usually more sought after than DT,so that would be the difference. Like I said either would be a nice addition

Is it now? I actually have noticed a shift. Aaron Donald, vita Vea, Jones in KC, Fletch for us, Niners pair….clearly used to be DE over DT….not as convinced that still aplllies. Pressure up the middle is the best way to combat the quick passing game. I think Bresee had versatility also though. We utilize five man and four man fronts basically. We have Sweat and Reddick locked in prime for years. We have a Nose. That leaves two starting positions on each side of Davis. That is if we let both Hargrave and Cox walk. To me Carter and Bressee more valuable…in the current state of things. They immediately  start. A DE? Is a backup unless he is so dominant he overtakes two very strong performing vets we invest heavily in. You know because I’m referring to Reddick as DE instead of LB. Since he almost always is at the line of scrimmage rushing. Edge seems to be the current term.

23 minutes ago, joemas6 said:

Yes...go DB over RB... late round 2 at the earliest for RB, but I'm fine passing on RB too. Not worried about it...we could have Sermon and Gainwell on June 1, and I'll be ok. 

I’d like to have a backfield of Sanders and a late second rounder. But I’m being greedy admittedly.

1 minute ago, cunninghamtheman said:

Is it now? I actually have noticed a shift. Aaron Donald, vita Vea, Jones in KC, Fletch for us, Niners pair….clearly used to be DE over DT….not as convinced that still aplllies. Pressure up the middle is the best way to combat the quick passing game. I think Bresee had versatility also though. We utilize five man and four man fronts basically. We have Sweat and Reddick locked in prime for years. We have a Nose. That leaves two starting positions on each side of Davis. That is if we let both Hargrave and Cox walk. To me Carter and Bressee more valuable…in the current state of things. They immediately  start. A DE? Is a backup unless he is so dominant he overtakes two very strong performing vets we invest heavily in. You know because I’m referring to Reddick as DE instead of LB. Since he almost always is at the line of scrimmage rushing. Edge seems to be the current term.

I agree..at the top of the draft you see it's a mix between the two.

I think we see the emphasis on edge come into play later in the 1st round...that's when you start to see more edge rushers go over DT.  DT seems to pick up round 2 or round 3. 

21 minutes ago, joemas6 said:

We were up 12 vs Houston...that's not a couple of points? 

We have talked about this subject for years.  Early in the season get the wins and move on.  You want momentum down the stretch...look at how our team is playing the last few weeks?  Why would you expect a loss...but then be confident we win 3 road games as a Wildcard team?  

Doesn't make sense.  One game.. Indy...was where our defense had to stop the opponent to win.  No other game was the opposing offense on the field with a chance to win.

That's fact... along with a 12 point lead vs Houston, not opinions. 

We won by 12 when we scored late and converted the two point conversion. It was 21-17 well into the fourth quarter however. That’s fact for you.

11 minutes to go we finally scored and converted the two to go up 12 versus the worst team.

Fact

2 minutes ago, cunninghamtheman said:

I’d like to have a backfield of Sanders and a late second rounder. But I’m being greedy admittedly.

I'll take the better players elsewhere...with the understanding that FA RBs would be willing to play here for less money.   I'll admit I'm not greedy...I'm just looking at what the league has turned into and how I see the RB position just needs to be adequate.

Admittedly... I would use that money for CGJ or an upgrade at RG.  Because I believe Brooks was an acquisition that changed the OL into an elite one.  Even after he left, the standard was raised.  Give me that guy over RB.

Similar to a Nelson and Chubb move for the Giants years ago over Barkley and Hernandez.    Substance over sizzle all day.