1 hour ago, joemas6 said:

See you can't understand the money part... because it's not like the way you want to do it.    CGJ vs those 3 guys is not going to be the choice.  

Because yes.... 2026  cap space comes into play...it's how players get money in their pockets ASAP....it's not simply to push money down the road.

I understand the money part pretty well I believe. What do you think I don’t understand a signing bonus goes right to a players pocket but is spread across several seasons? 2026 absolutely comes into play because that’s when we are taking the big cap hits for Hurts and AJ and anybody else we sign. Sportrac says we are on the hook for 85 mil in 2025 and 2026 right now with only having a one player team of AJ other than our current draftees in 2025 and Davis has the option in 2026. Now I’m aware these numbers can be adjusted in a few ways. But am I the only one that sees this as an issue going forward? Obviously I keep rehashing the same principles and theories here. 

3 hours ago, GreenbleedinNC said:

What you are seeing is "league parity" The days of 5 year dynasties are over

That’s all I’m saying. There is clearly a chance we could lose a game to Saints, Giants or Bears. We’ll be heavy favorites but league parity is right. Happens all the time in the NFL which I love, as long as it isn’t against us.

1 hour ago, joemas6 said:

Why can't we pay CGJ?   Plenty of cap space in 2026. Now you get it.   Cap is there...but time to let the old guys walk. 

Sanders I don't see a long term deal as being smart...so technically that means higher cap hit on the shorter deals. Definitely don't see any " dead money" being smart at the RB spot.

I would think they could sign both safeties and Edwards.   But we know they don't like using $$ there.

I could see a real overhaul at the lines...really investing both $$ and draft picks there.  I could see them doing that.   To the point where I would consider it overkill.

Where did he go? 

Think he went to Oklahoma and missed what? four games….to get his head straight or something.

1 hour ago, joemas6 said:

See you can't understand the money part... because it's not like the way you want to do it.    CGJ vs those 3 guys is not going to be the choice.  

Because yes.... 2026  cap space comes into play...it's how players get money in their pockets ASAP....it's not simply to push money down the road.

The money part can get complicated, for sure. Signing bonus goes straight in the pocket. Cap hit gets spread over several seasons. It’s a rolling cap. So basically it really does work exactly like I said though. Over however many years you want to stretch these extensions. The total money that goes out all filters into the cap somewhere….in a rolling cap. So over four years….80 mil equals 80 mil. Cash is distributed differently than cap hits. But you can go through some very lengthy explanation to explain to me how 80 mil to Ceedy doesn’t equal 80 mil to those other players combined in a rolling cap.

2 hours ago, cunninghamtheman said:

https://www.nfldraftbuzz.com/Player/Bryan-Bresee-DL-Clemson

Capiche how his teammate is 305 pounds runs the forty at 4.7 and has versatility to play all along the line.

Where does it say that? he is similar to Davis,not Murph

2 hours ago, GreenbleedinNC said:

Isn't that a given???? I don't need essays to tell me what I already know

Great…,felt like you were zero-ing in on the wrong parts…the examples. I’m looking at all options to be crystal clear. Just pointing out the obvious is all I thought was happening. But you kept arguing against my point focusing on the examples instead of the main thought and idea. So glad that we are on the same page..,even if we disagree or not. I haven’t gotten to a final decision on exactly what I’d do yet. I’m mostly focused on this season still. Things going so great I don’t want it to end!

2 hours ago, cunninghamtheman said:

Bresee plays in the backfield. Tackles for loss and sacks. Can play two gaps. Excellent against the run.

Yes he is a DT lol

2 hours ago, cunninghamtheman said:

I like Murphy though. He’s also a freak. We might be thinking on these twos right until the card comes in on draft day.

Fine with either and stated it

1 hour ago, cunninghamtheman said:

Try to do that every year. Can we only try to seriously contend one season or is there such a thing as a Championship Window? If it’s so boom or bust this season that would make trading away a first round pick pretty dumb. That we deliberately have a lesser team the year we have a chance to win it all so we can try and scrape together an extra win or two in the seasons following.

UH that's why the Sanits move was awesome? We have 2 round 1 this year coming? We could do that same thing again? Keep doing this and you could have that "dynasty" feel as we contend yet have round 1 draft picks. How many SB teams/contenders for same also get a top 10 round 1 draft pick?. If you recall this was "supposed" to be another year of rebuilding. Then we got all those chips that fell that Howie jumped on. Saints trade, AJ,Bradberry,CJG All those dominoes fell for us, Hurts playing better than expected etc and here we are. We're going to lose some,but still the "rebuild" should move forward

11 minutes ago, GreenbleedinNC said:

Where does it say that? he is similar to Davis,not Murph

I’d say Bresee I’d look at as exactly between the two players you mentioned.

29 minutes ago, cunninghamtheman said:

That’s all I’m saying. There is clearly a chance we could lose a game to Saints, Giants or Bears. We’ll be heavy favorites but league parity is right. Happens all the time in the NFL which I love, as long as it isn’t against us.

It's against us every week,just like it is for other other 31 teams. For Dullaz to win this division will take incredible odd's bending to accomplish. We would need to basically lose out and Dullaz to win out. I mean the odds here are about the same as hitting the lottery

15 minutes ago, GreenbleedinNC said:

Where does it say that? he is similar to Davis,not Murph

Elite strength and balance to sit down, lockout, and create a pile, leading to possibilities inside and out

Just now, cunninghamtheman said:

I’d say Bresee I’d look at as exactly between the two players you mentioned.

sigh,well even the scouts noticed Murph can play anywhere,you can force any lineman to play any other line spot. Maybe Bresee would be comfy in time,but Murph already is. For me that "NFL ready" versatility is worth the extra 1-4 draft spots. You can feel different. I'm fine with either guy

5 minutes ago, cunninghamtheman said:

Elite strength and balance to sit down, lockout, and create a pile, leading to possibilities inside and out

Davis clone as a DT. You can force him to play edge if you want but this doesn't say "he's versatile enough to play anywhere along the line" it merely points out like Davis,he can stuff the run and force the play outside" Create a pile" tells me he is a DT? IDK how you get edge rusher out of this

38 minutes ago, cunninghamtheman said:

That’s all I’m saying. There is clearly a chance we could lose a game to Saints, Giants or Bears. We’ll be heavy favorites but league parity is right. Happens all the time in the NFL which I love, as long as it isn’t against us.

What are the chances we lose all 3????

8 minutes ago, GreenbleedinNC said:

UH that's why the Sanits move was awesome? We have 2 round 1 this year coming? We could do that same thing again? Keep doing this and you could have that "dynasty" feel as we contend yet have round 1 draft picks. How many SB teams/contenders for same also get a top 10 round 1 draft pick?. If you recall this was "supposed" to be another year of rebuilding. Then we got all those chips that fell that Howie jumped on. Saints trade, AJ,Bradberry,CJG All those dominoes fell for us and here we are. We're going to lose some,but still the "rebuild" should move forward

I wasn’t defining a playoff team the next season as rebuilding. Add to a playoff team should make them more a ‘contending’ team than rebuilding. How I see it anyway.

2 minutes ago, GreenbleedinNC said:

Davis clone as a DT. You can force him to play edge if you want but this doesn't say "he's versatile enough to play anywhere along the line" it merely points out like Davis,he can stuff the run and force the play outside" Create a pile" tells me he is a DT? IDK how you get edge rusher out of this

Possibilities inside and out positionally

2 hours ago, cunninghamtheman said:

By the way FL we are neck and neck in our prediction at Wr. Wilson and Olave are super close. Olave 887 and 3 TD

                           Wilson 868 and 4 TD

Going to come down to the wire.

I also had Watson for GB. Slow start but came on as I thought he would

 Took it as he can play Nose, DT or DE.

Just now, cunninghamtheman said:

Possibilities inside and out positionally

OK whatever not getting into another pissing match just READ what the SCOUTS say(ALL of the scouts not 1 hand picked one)

2 minutes ago, GreenbleedinNC said:

I also had Watson for GB. Slow start but came on as I thought he would

I also had George Pickens. So it looks like I’m slightly in the lead. But it’s too close to call still. Going down to the wire.

12 minutes ago, GreenbleedinNC said:

It's against us every week,just like it is for other other 31 teams. For Dullaz to win this division will take incredible odd's bending to accomplish. We would need to basically lose out and Dullaz to win out. I mean the odds here are about the same as hitting the lottery

We just have to lose to the Cowboys…not remotely out of the question…believe it’s in Dallas also. Then if we lose one other game they win the tiebreaker. This is if Dallas wins their four remaining games. That’s why I keep mentioning it’s possible  we slip up to just one of the Saints, Bears and Giants. We go from one seed to wild card. 

10 minutes ago, GreenbleedinNC said:

What are the chances we lose all 3????

Only need to lose one is exactly the point I’ve been making

1 hour ago, cunninghamtheman said:

I understand the money part pretty well I believe. What do you think I don’t understand a signing bonus goes right to a players pocket but is spread across several seasons? 2026 absolutely comes into play because that’s when we are taking the big cap hits for Hurts and AJ and anybody else we sign. Sportrac says we are on the hook for 85 mil in 2025 and 2026 right now with only having a one player team of AJ other than our current draftees in 2025 and Davis has the option in 2026. Now I’m aware these numbers can be adjusted in a few ways. But am I the only one that sees this as an issue going forward? Obviously I keep rehashing the same principles and theories here. 

I think you don't understand that the players like this method... you seem to blame Howie every time a contract is given ... when we sign CGJ...and spread the signing bonus out 6 years,t will help him get $$ ASAP...and help keep him here.   The cap hit for 2028... when he is 30, and still playing well for us shouldn't be an issue.  Because he will either have contract redone of cut if he isn't performing...either way it saves us cap space and keeps him happy.

The Dallas method ...in order to keep the players happy you have to overpay. Works bad for the team....   as I've said, not for one year...but for long periods.

Sanders wouldn't get the same length of a contract so his cap hit would be higher...  bad investment. 

Bresee is strong with his lower body and good leverage. Murphy is strong upper body struggling with leverage. Actually a very interesting comparison between the two choices.