9 minutes ago, cunninghamtheman said:

Go ahead and tell me any player that brings everything to the table like Hurts….that’s ever played

What is "everything"? Stop with the Hurts is god thing,it gets old

10 minutes ago, joemas6 said:

So again... how did our secondary look going in to the last 2 drafts?  Or LB... you don't think they would have been need picks over Dickerson and Milton.  Remember the dude who didn't slap Howie 5....the dude that wanted a CB. 

The Eagles obviously felt that they took the BPA.  Which in Dickerson's case came with an injury and he was supposed to back up.    The need would have been to take a starter at the other spots.

So all were needs and you have to CHOOSE. Obviously it would be great to have the first 20 picks in a draft. I don't tell Howie what his needs preferences are. So why wasn't a WR taken there? We didn't NEED one(nor in round 1 because we got AJ) And Howie doesn't take DB's or LB's.That is HIS choice not mine

2 minutes ago, GreenbleedinNC said:

So all were needs and you have to CHOOSE. Obviously it would be great to have the first 20 picks in a draft. I don't tell Howie what his needs preferences are. So why wasn't a WR taken there? We didn't NEED one(nor in round 1 because we got AJ)

Ok..so I'm choosing a WR this year.   I want to upgrade the 3rd WR slot.   I mean that's a need just like Milton was to replace Cox and Hargrave 3 years later?  These are similar needs in your mind as DL and DB this year?

Replacing a guy 3 years later isn't a draft need

3 minutes ago, joemas6 said:

Ok..so I'm choosing a WR this year.   I want to upgrade the 3rd WR slot.   I mean that's a need just like Milton was to replace Cox and Hargrave 3 years later?  These are similar needs in your mind as DL and DB this year?

Replacing a guy 3 years later isn't a draft need

According to you, if that 3rd WR slot is the BPA you take him even if you don't need him. So pick 4,maybe Stroud falls to 4,you take him because he is the BPA?

22 minutes ago, joemas6 said:

Yet we might not get the top seed? 

We suck,it's hopeless. We need to tank to get that 2nd round 1 pick up in the 20's 🤣

28 minutes ago, cunninghamtheman said:

I’m fine with your list. Allen is incredible but has made mistakes several times that were very key and costly. So I have to question his ‘cluchness.’ ARod and Brady just nowhere close being in such twilights of their careers. Herbert has to be mentioned. Guy is a stud with incredible arm talent. Think many would put him ahead. That’s the whole list right there though. Think we are very fortunate!

Poor arguement and why I need a definition of "everything" .Brady and Arod can't run-never have and Allen makes mistakes but Hurts is perfect every game. He is an entirely new breed and we're lucky he hatched in Philly and let's compare guys in their last days to young kids. May as well complete this fantasy. Needs bronzed immediatley

1 hour ago, Asg 15 said:

RG3   Kyler Myrray

The more hits you set yourself up for the more likely you are to get a serious injury

I'll put Josh Allen in thet category he just hasn't gotten seriously hurt.............yet

RG3 and Kyler Murray are so different. You think Hurts will need in his contract anything about forced to study on his own. Not even close. Both complete Primma Donnas. RG3 was faster and had a bigger arm but skinnier and not nearly as tough and bulked up like Hurts. First thing RGKnee worked on was his brand. I can go on and on about both and how they are so different. Not close! We’ll see if anybody else has anything close to Hurts.

51 minutes ago, joemas6 said:

Best ever to play QB....no question 

I definitely don’t see that smart a**. Don’t even know why I respond to your stupid crap anymore. Waste of time.

43 minutes ago, GreenbleedinNC said:

What is "everything"? Stop with the Hurts is god thing,it gets old

Your jumping to bad conclusions….again. I’m just saying he’s unique with all he brings to the table. The more I think about it…there just hasn’t been a guy like him. Mike Vick was more talented. Much faster. He could flick his wrist and it would go 50 yards without effort. But he wasn’t focused. Didn’t have the drive. Didn’t have the strength. Wasn’t the first one in. Wasn’t the super level headed guy. Vick could have been much better. But he wasn’t. I’m fact, when I think on this…it’s a common thing with the more athletic QBs….they aren’t the hardest working and focused leaders. They costs more on their athleticism.

50 minutes ago, GreenbleedinNC said:

According to you, if that 3rd WR slot is the BPA you take him even if you don't need him. So pick 4,maybe Stroud falls to 4,you take him because he is the BPA?

According to me...that's what the Eagles did with Dickerson, Milton, Jurgens and Dean.    And I could say they had their targets with Smith and Davis, not necessarily that they were " needs" above a Parsons or the safety that went to Baltimore this year. .. but that they went with their BPAs.... the last 2 drafts.

I believe Reagor and Dillard...and JJAW...were examples they went NEED...and messed up the picks.   

That's what is " according to me"

55 minutes ago, GreenbleedinNC said:

According to you, if that 3rd WR slot is the BPA you take him even if you don't need him. So pick 4,maybe Stroud falls to 4,you take him because he is the BPA?

In this example...yes... if the Eagles took a WR that early I would say the reason behind that is they feel the WR is BPA.... not because it's " the need " 

46 minutes ago, GreenbleedinNC said:

Poor arguement and why I need a definition of "everything" .Brady and Arod can't run-never have and Allen makes mistakes but Hurts is perfect every game. He is an entirely new breed and we're lucky he hatched in Philly and let's compare guys in their last days to young kids. May as well complete this fantasy. Needs bronzed immediatley

But still nervous we lose to Chicago,  Saints or Giants lol

30 minutes ago, cunninghamtheman said:

I definitely don’t see that smart a**. Don’t even know why I respond to your stupid crap anymore. Waste of time.

Welcome to my world...at least this wasn't 5000 words.

27 minutes ago, cunninghamtheman said:

Your jumping to bad conclusions….again. I’m just saying he’s unique with all he brings to the table. The more I think about it…there just hasn’t been a guy like him. Mike Vick was more talented. Much faster. He could flick his wrist and it would go 50 yards without effort. But he wasn’t focused. Didn’t have the drive. Didn’t have the strength. Wasn’t the first one in. Wasn’t the super level headed guy. Vick could have been much better. But he wasn’t. I’m fact, when I think on this…it’s a common thing with the more athletic QBs….they aren’t the hardest working and focused leaders. They costs more on their athleticism.

The best ever....just so much to the table.   I mean it's awesome.   The reading of the defense,  the arm...etc.   Never seen anything like this brought to the table?  

1 hour ago, cunninghamtheman said:

Your jumping to bad conclusions….again. I’m just saying he’s unique with all he brings to the table. The more I think about it…there just hasn’t been a guy like him. Mike Vick was more talented. Much faster. He could flick his wrist and it would go 50 yards without effort. But he wasn’t focused. Didn’t have the drive. Didn’t have the strength. Wasn’t the first one in. Wasn’t the super level headed guy. Vick could have been much better. But he wasn’t. I’m fact, when I think on this…it’s a common thing with the more athletic QBs….they aren’t the hardest working and focused leaders. They costs more on their athleticism.

Yet you can't define what is "unique" nor what he "brings to the table" that noone in the history of sport has

1 hour ago, joemas6 said:

According to me...that's what the Eagles did with Dickerson, Milton, Jurgens and Dean.    And I could say they had their targets with Smith and Davis, not necessarily that they were " needs" above a Parsons or the safety that went to Baltimore this year. .. but that they went with their BPAs.... the last 2 drafts.

I believe Reagor and Dillard...and JJAW...were examples they went NEED...and messed up the picks.   

That's what is " according to me"

So once again you are talking about 2 different subjects and combining them. We saw a need and drafted a pick to fill it. If they were BAD choices,that is a different topic,so if we pick at 4 and Stroud is there I fully expect we take him(although we don't need him unless you want trade bait later). Now if you think QB as BU is a need,then fine take a later guy for that,otherwise at pick 4 I will bypass Stroud (even though you would take him because hands down he would be the BPA). And we can argue for the next 30 years,but I will disagree with you the entire time

1 hour ago, joemas6 said:

I believe Reagor and Dillard...and JJAW...were examples they went NEED...and messed up the picks.

Right,they drafted for NEED. The fact they were suck picks is a different subject

1 hour ago, joemas6 said:

In this example...yes... if the Eagles took a WR that early I would say the reason behind that is they feel the WR is BPA.... not because it's " the need " 

LOL OK welp we'll just have to disagree as we do every year. We're going to end up with a boatload of QB's and WR then while the rest of the NEEDS go by the wayside

1 hour ago, joemas6 said:

But still nervous we lose to Chicago,  Saints or Giants lol

IDK,he is a leader,a special breed,a generational talent that spans decades. IDK how we lost 1 game. next year should be a total SWEEP. Just tell the other teams to forfeit and hand over the Lombardi because "we got this" 🤣

1 hour ago, cunninghamtheman said:

Your jumping to bad conclusions….again. I’m just saying he’s unique with all he brings to the table. The more I think about it…there just hasn’t been a guy like him. Mike Vick was more talented. Much faster. He could flick his wrist and it would go 50 yards without effort. But he wasn’t focused. Didn’t have the drive. Didn’t have the strength. Wasn’t the first one in. Wasn’t the super level headed guy. Vick could have been much better. But he wasn’t. I’m fact, when I think on this…it’s a common thing with the more athletic QBs….they aren’t the hardest working and focused leaders. They costs more on their athleticism.

Is he the best QB the EAGLES have ever had? I would say he is on track to be. However stating he is unique to the point of being godlike for you I just can''t fathom. I'm pleased with his play and that he progressed faster than I had hoped, but I'm not worshiping him. Probably never will. We gave him probably the best overall offense in the league and I would say the best the Eagles have had as a total group. It would take a serious effort on Hurts part to fail. He would have to TRY to fail. I like the fact the team likes him and he can be a leader,but he's not the first on the planet to have done it. I like the fact he is improving and will keep getting better. I like the fact we are 12-1 with a TEAM effort(not just Hurts). So if you want me to build him a memorial,hold your breath because it won;t happen. IDK what bad conclusions I have jumped to. Its my opinion. You can disagree and kiss his shoes,but I won't

32 minutes ago, GreenbleedinNC said:

So once again you are talking about 2 different subjects and combining them. We saw a need and drafted a pick to fill it. If they were BAD choices,that is a different topic,so if we pick at 4 and Stroud is there I fully expect we take him(although we don't need him unless you want trade bait later). Now if you think QB as BU is a need,then fine take a later guy for that,otherwise at pick 4 I will bypass Stroud (even though you would take him because hands down he would be the BPA). And we can argue for the next 30 years,but I will disagree with you the entire time

I have no idea what this post means?   

I'll explain my point.

First...while I do believe in 2021 that we needed a WR when we took Smith.  I also believe we needed the pass rusher in Parsons.  I believe the Eagles had Smith as target, so they selected him...but not because WR was the bigger need over pass rusher...as proven by giving Reddick the big contract a year later. 

2nd... Dickerson and Milton were absolutely their BPA picks and not need.  Because we absolutely needed help in the secondary and LB spots.  Sure 3 years later Kelce will retire, but you don't draft for need and prioritize 3 years compared to the immediate need.

I believe Reagor was a forced need. You focus on Jefferson and the fact they picked the wrong one...forget Jefferson, there is no way Reagor was considered better than every other available player at every other position? For sure they were locked on WR.

Same with Dillard and same with JJAW. They were locked on those positions,  not BPA.  

When I see a team select a player that doesn't fit their perceived immediate need...then yeah, I consider that their BPA as the reason he was the pick.

If we take a WR first this draft...absolutely they do it because they feel that guy is the BPA,because we know it's at the bottom of the list of needs.

40 minutes ago, GreenbleedinNC said:

Right,they drafted for NEED. The fact they were suck picks is a different subject

Correct.... they didn't go need the last 2 drafts...they went BPA....1st picks filled needs... that's great... Dickerson,  Milton...were not immediate needs over CB or LB...it's why the guy refused to slap Howie five, he wanted the CB.  The need. 

Same with Jurgens...he can help in the future, be we absolutely  needed S help or even more at CB too.   They chose the specific player...we think better results.

I agree they selected the wrong players in Reagor,  JJAW and those picks sucked...but everything in my gut tells me those picks were forced to be WRs no matter what. 

When you guys get the position you think with a draft pick,  but they surprise you with the choice of player....you know that's a need pick 

When they surprise you with the position of the selected draft pick, but not so much that the player was taken around that # ... then you know they are drafting their BPA.

50 minutes ago, joemas6 said:

Same with Dillard and same with JJAW. They were locked on those positions,  not BPA

Right,for NEED. The fact they chose bad players at those picks is not the same thing. They picked positions of NEED and drafted BAD players so the NEED was not filled because the players were bad,but the positions were already chosen as "what do we need". They took what they felt were the best players at positions of NEED,but they were NOT the BPA

45 minutes ago, joemas6 said:

I agree they selected the wrong players in Reagor,  JJAW and those picks sucked...but everything in my gut tells me those picks were forced to be WRs no matter what. 

OK so they decided WR was a need. JJ would have filled that NEED. Reagor did not. It doesn't change the fact they WR was a position of NEED. They identified their NEEDS and took BAD players,that didn't change the need,just meant the players we chose didn't satisfy that need