So once again if we pick at 4 and Stroud is there are you taking him? He is far and away the BPA at pick 4. No one else is close

50 minutes ago, joemas6 said:

When you guys get the position you think with a draft pick,  but they surprise you with the choice of player....you know that's a need pick 

When they surprise you with the position of the selected draft pick, but not so much that the player was taken around that # ... then you know they are drafting their BPA.

OK so this is where "reach and value" come in. If I have to fill a need,I may not be taking the BPA,I am taking the player to fill a hole(need). I will take the BPA to fill that need even if he is not the overall BPA. Maybe I pick 4th,but take an OT ranked at 11,because there are no others available until way later in the draft. So I filled the hole with the BPA that would accomplish that even though I had to bypass a top WR who was overall the BPA(but would not fill my need)

At any rate,I quit. We will never agree on this point and neither of us will change.

1 hour ago, GreenbleedinNC said:

LOL OK welp we'll just have to disagree as we do every year. We're going to end up with a boatload of QB's and WR then while the rest of the NEEDS go by the wayside

We are not disagreeing here...  you think if the Eagles draft a WR first it's because they view WR as a need?  With Smith and AJ already here??   

It would be because they really want that WR. Not because they have a need at WR???

 

19 minutes ago, GreenbleedinNC said:

At any rate,I quit. We will never agree on this point and neither of us will change.

 I don't think we are talking about the same thing?

What are you asking me?    What I would do....or what my perception would be if the Eagles drafted WR?

I'm confused?

I think if you were clear in what you are asking....you might find we aren't disagreeing at all?

Is Stroud a WR?   I don't know college players... so don't assume you give a name,  that I know who he is.

Are you asking me if I would take a WR by the name of Stroud?    Or are you asking me if the Eagles take a WR by the name of Stroud... if I believe they would do it based on need or BPA?

If you are asking me my opinion...I would pass on the WR unless I really thought he was going to have way more impact than anyone else. 

Bur if they picked a WR...then I would think it's because they feel he was by far the BPA.   Wouldn't be a pick for " need"

Does that help?

6 hours ago, joemas6 said:

Ok..so I'm choosing a WR this year.   I want to upgrade the 3rd WR slot.   I mean that's a need just like Milton was to replace Cox and Hargrave 3 years later?  These are similar needs in your mind as DL and DB this year?

Replacing a guy 3 years later isn't a draft need

Milton was a small school developmental type. Actually outperformed peoples expectations. They took that Marlon Tuipolotu as a developmental backup Nose also. It was a good thought. Knew they needed a Nose badly. But late round wasn’t going to be sone plug and play option. So think they were smart and planning patiently with him. Beef him up to become a backup depth nose. Team had so little options to run Gannon D. When I say Gannon D it really is Fangio D.

To jump up to be big and strong enough to play NFL Nose would take most any college player years to get there. It’s a position almost meant for the vets. Biggest, strongest and baddest. Not a rookie job usually. Davis is close to the exception. But even a monster athletic freak like him still needed time. Was eased in. They had him solely focus on that one job in a five man front fir TCvajd like the first what? Seven games or something. Then he got snaps at DT.

6 hours ago, GreenbleedinNC said:

Poor arguement and why I need a definition of "everything" .Brady and Arod can't run-never have and Allen makes mistakes but Hurts is perfect every game. He is an entirely new breed and we're lucky he hatched in Philly and let's compare guys in their last days to young kids. May as well complete this fantasy. Needs bronzed immediatley

What are you talking about here? The question was if every single player was available in the draft….where would you draft Hurts…today. You can draft ARod and Brady first. Since you opened your mouth like a fool. He listed off Mahomes, Allen and  Burrow ahead of Hurts. I agreed. He questioned Burrow. Burrow I believe to be fantastic! I’d take him over Hurts. I brought up Herbert also was in the conversation. But heck yes we are lucky Hurts is here! This is just a dumb lash out post. But No Mas on the record. He’d go for the super old guys that are having their worst seasons. Looking like they might hang it up. Draft the guys retiring mouth. I’d wish for plenty of stupid GMs like you. Draft a whole team that is ready to retire to build your team…hater! 

7 hours ago, GreenbleedinNC said:

What is "everything"? Stop with the Hurts is god thing,it gets old

Let’s read and comprehend and try and understand what I’m saying before lashing out just to fight and argue always. Really killing are conversations. I have to backtrack soooo much to get you to actually understand the discussion always. He’s unique. Prove me wrong. I hadn’t really realized it until recently. He’s no god. Just dumb hating on me talk to lash out and miss the entire discussion.

6 hours ago, GreenbleedinNC said:

Poor arguement and why I need a definition of "everything" .Brady and Arod can't run-never have and Allen makes mistakes but Hurts is perfect every game. He is an entirely new breed and we're lucky he hatched in Philly and let's compare guys in their last days to young kids. May as well complete this fantasy. Needs bronzed immediatley

I don’t know about breed. Unique. Go ahead and tell me the player you’ve seen that he compared to.

6 hours ago, joemas6 said:

In this example...yes... if the Eagles took a WR that early I would say the reason behind that is they feel the WR is BPA.... not because it's " the need " 

I just don’t think they can even do it at that position. Spent so dang much the last several years at WR. But I’ll back up your point. If they take a WR he’s clearly much higher on the big board than anybody else.

5 hours ago, joemas6 said:

But still nervous we lose to Chicago,  Saints or Giants lol

What does any of that have to do with his question about if the entire league was redrafted?

5 hours ago, joemas6 said:

Welcome to my world...at least this wasn't 5000 words.

I’ve never remotely fathomed your world. I could appreciate you had different opinions and points of view. You used to make decent arguments and could at least bend facts towards your agenda. But now you’ve just getting bitter. Just lashing out. Not making a decent case much anymore. I’m nowhere near your world. Bitter and really creating a gap from reality. 

6 hours ago, joemas6 said:

The best ever....just so much to the table.   I mean it's awesome.   The reading of the defense,  the arm...etc.   Never seen anything like this brought to the table?  

He’s growing reading defenses. He never was in the same offense for two straight years. I agree it stunted him just a bit there. Easy argument against any young QB. Just hating! What QB comes to the NFL and has seen it all? Disrespectful to the NFL in every way. Zero respect for pro defenses. Zero respect to pro level DC. The best of the best. You can’t see all that in college. Just a pretty lame statement that you basically are saying there should be no learning curve from college to NFL. That NFL coaches and players are the same or worse than college level. 

6 hours ago, joemas6 said:

But still nervous we lose to Chicago,  Saints or Giants lol

Sure. It’s the NFL. Pro football. Worst team almost just took out the second best team in conference.

6 hours ago, joemas6 said:

The best ever....just so much to the table.   I mean it's awesome.   The reading of the defense,  the arm...etc.   Never seen anything like this brought to the table?  

Just no intelligent conversations left to be had in this place anymore I guess. I didn’t say best ever. I didn’t say his. Didn’t say flawless. I’m pointing out I guy like him hasn’t happened before. It hasn’t. 

5 hours ago, GreenbleedinNC said:

Yet you can't define what is "unique" nor what he "brings to the table" that noone in the history of sport has

He loves football. Workout warrior. Good quick decision maker. Modest. Great leader. Even keeled. Coachable. Not a superstar Primma Donna QB. He lifts as much as the strongest lineman. Quick and elusive runner. Real solid physically. Most good QB that’s could run have been skinny. Cam and Allen kind of the exceptions. So dedicated. First one in and last one out. Plays smart about taking the hits. Has a plus arm. Not a cannon. But clearly a strong NFL level arm.

19 minutes ago, cunninghamtheman said:

I just don’t think they can even do it at that position. Spent so dang much the last several years at WR. But I’ll back up your point. If they take a WR he’s clearly much higher on the big board than anybody else.

100% agreed....it's gotta be the game changer that would put the offense at the 2007 Patriots or 2013 Broncos level... otherwise I just don't see taking a WR at this time. 

Hurts is still a work in progress really. I think he deserves the MVP award. But I don’t believe he’s hit his ceiling. But really some of what I’m noticing is the Kyler Murray and Mike Vick differences. Super athletic guys they are. But they don’t live and breath football and practice like Hurts. Gotta get Kyler to think about his job after he clocks out. Doesn’t seem he really does much extra at all. That’s why they actually wrote a contract containing we’ll pay you a gazillion but you have to study on your own some. Vick admitted he wasn’t focused to start his career. He talked about the regret he had. He wasn’t coachable. He just relied on his supreme athleticism. Hurts doesn’t have the natural physical gifts near like Vick. Hurts has molded and created himself. Coachable. Works out to become ridiculously thick and strong. Leader. With coaches, teammates and the whole community.

16 minutes ago, cunninghamtheman said:

I’ve never remotely fathomed your world. I could appreciate you had different opinions and points of view. You used to make decent arguments and could at least bend facts towards your agenda. But now you’ve just getting bitter. Just lashing out. Not making a decent case much anymore. I’m nowhere near your world. Bitter and really creating a gap from reality. 

What is the fact bending....giving the exact details of the Saints trade and correctly stating Dallas hasn't signed free agents in years?

I'm not big on spinning anything just the simple facts.   I don't think sports are as complicated as you do.  I don't need to sound smarter than anyone.

You heard every player acknowledge respect for Hurts. Before most fans had a clue. That was the first tip on him I picked up on. He makes everyone around him better. AJ came out and discussed how the two of them have a drive to be great. They work at it relentlessly. That’s how AJ and Hurts became who they are.

12 minutes ago, cunninghamtheman said:

Sure. It’s the NFL. Pro football. Worst team almost just took out the second best team in conference.

SF beat Seattle pretty easily I thought.  BS roughing the passer call or it would have been 28 to 6 right at the start of the 3rd Q.   But I don't think the game was close.   

NFC is pretty weak though....the 5th best team in Dallas almost lost to the worst team in football. 

Eagles under this coach haven't played down to opponents level...one game exception last year where the QB was awful.

But this team isn't going to have a let down if the game is important.   Dallas will struggle the other 3 games on the road for sure.

2 minutes ago, cunninghamtheman said:

You heard every player acknowledge respect for Hurts. Before most fans had a clue. That was the first tip on him I picked up on. He makes everyone around him better. AJ came out and discussed how the two of them have a drive to be great. They work at it relentlessly. That’s how AJ and Hurts became who they are.

And it's a reason why this team won't lose to one of the pathetic teams.  You need to actually believe what you post.

Hurts, Kelce...chemistry.. .. the last few drafts have has kids used to winning... the coaches are young and hungry.   There is no reason for you to think this team will not focus and lose to one of these bad teams.

Add in the old players knowing this is final run... new energy they bring.  It's not happening.    The last 2 games are in front of the home crowd.  

Come on man... you gotta believe what you post....don't just post to sound smart...you make all these valid points... believe them. Believe in this team.  It's basically been so good it's made the games boring for the most part.

5 hours ago, GreenbleedinNC said:

Yet you can't define what is "unique" nor what he "brings to the table" that noone in the history of sport has

Oh I can define it in detail