2 minutes ago, cunninghamtheman said:

It’s a distraction. Our OC and DC are in the mix for the Texans HC job. So you can assume the other openings they are on the list somewhere for them as well. Maybe it’s better to let our OC get the interview out of the way as soon as possible. Then he can move on and concentrate on the tasks at hand. Postponing you’d have to believe will just extend his prep and thoughts towards planning for the job interview. 

Yes... that's why I like doing it Monday or Tuesday of this week.  And it's done and then back to work.    Having the uncertainty and interview upcoming to me is the real distraction. 

Now what’s a team discount on Hurts contract? Anything under 50 mil mostly guaranteed. So he’ll set a franchise record for largest contract and still be giving a team discount. Largest contract we’ve ever signed still being a team discount…just sounds like it counters each other. But that’s what I predict…it will be both. Huge mega contract….that he isn’t taking us over the coals for. Feels hilarious for me to try and explain it even. Massive money ….that’s a deal. 😂🤣…that’s what I see happening.

2 minutes ago, cunninghamtheman said:

Other QBs getting paid this offseason also. Cuts a bit of slack on the pressure being on Hurts. Don’t believe they’ll target him to pressure to break all the contract records.

Well... I believe having a female agent negotiating your deal , she would want to prove herself in a male dominated job.   Being African American might also add some fuel to her fire.   

Someone who looks like Hurts without the height or strong arm... I'm sure the players union wants paid.

I'm sure there is no better dude than BDawk.  I'm also sure if it were completely up to him...he would have stayed.   There are other factors involved that we need to remember exist

1 minute ago, cunninghamtheman said:

Now what’s a team discount on Hurts contract? Anything under 50 mil mostly guaranteed. So he’ll set a franchise record for largest contract and still be giving a team discount. Largest contract we’ve ever signed still being a team discount…just sounds like it counters each other. But that’s what I predict…it will be both. Huge mega contract….that he isn’t taking us over the coals for. Feels hilarious for me to try and explain it even. Massive money ….that’s a deal. 😂🤣…that’s what I see happening.

Yeah...you called this one.  Nobody else said this a year ago!

52 minutes ago, GreenbleedinNC said:

Will be fun if they both walk. Then you're counting on Gainwell and whoever else you can scrape up and whomever those are you will have to pay them as opposed to a rook on a 5 year. I can see a trade back, but there are no RB's worth taking after round 1 is over. It's a deep class of lackluster. Seems like the kid the wuss got that got shot is doing well???

I’m not ready to go into detail countering your point here just yet. Just letting you know my thoughts aren’t quite with you on this point. After combine I’ll bring my thoughts to you. Need more prep and education on everybody to give you a respectable debate on this subject.

Raheem Mostert, Matt Breida, ... guys dominating playing RB in SF...  perfect team to use as an example where RB doesn't impact as much as its the team he is on.

Gainwell, maybe resign Scott or another cheap vet...and maybe a late round pick and UDFA to add.   And if needed pick up another vet later on.

The need to work on the lines is more important.  

42 minutes ago, GreenbleedinNC said:

From a production and value standpoint alone, Sanders’ first three years of work should get him a fair deal that averages somewhere in between the $7.0 million per year Austin Ekeler earns from the Chargers, up towards the $8 million per year that Kenyan Drake is getting from the Raiders.

A monster 2022 season for Sanders could force Philadelphia into the $12 million per season that Nick Chubbs (Browns), Joe Mixon (Bengals), Derrick Henry (Titans), Aaron Jones (Packers), and Dalvin Cook (Vikings) all make.

It’s unlikely and with the Eagles rebuilding, Howie Roseman will likely aim more for the 3 years, $18.5M that would put Sanders in the company of Hines and other dual-threat backs without breaking the bank.

Ekeler they signed cheap believing in him. But it is very interesting to me how the numbers on the contract seem to be right at what I was predicting. All depends on the market. That’s FA and draft that can effect it. 12 mil only comes from a bidding war. The 7 mil is what I’ve been spitballing for him to stay. It’s a big picture GM job that will decide things. Gotta realize how signing of all FA positions, trade possibilities and draft options effect keeping Sanders. How DBs and LBs actually matter about how much Sanders is worth to us. Rather pay him more than 7 mil per than use the tenth pick on a RB though.

Seemed very clear to me Sanders was not highly thought of by Siri. That is when he took the job. Sanders had to convince Siri he was The Guy. Think he did an excellent job of becoming his best version of that. How convinced and sold is Siri on him now? He clearly converted Siri from a nonbeliever into making him the bell cow back. Big turn around in two seasons. Sanders was more of a finesse back. He really bulked up and became much more physical. Clearly changed his dance around in the backfield style looking for the big plays…into a much more one cut north and south approach. Some highlight moments of punishing LBs to show his evolution. My gut tells me Siri wants a bigger more physical RB, ideally. But it comes down to what are the options? Is that guy going to be an option? Not talking about at pick ten either. Is the big picture plan for the franchise to knowingly take next year off? Hurts and Siri presumptively have earned their jobs. Not on the hot seat next season. Rosie isn’t either. Takes very strong mental fortitude to be smart looking longer term and not push each offseason and season.

55 minutes ago, GreenbleedinNC said:

You wouldn't trade the 10 pick for Derrick Henry? But trading for AJ is fine?

I agree with your words put in No Mas mouth here. AJ is going with many miles left on his tires. Henry has major miles on him. Think he’s arguably on the downside of his career going forward. AJ way over Henry. Henry has left his mark on the game in the history books…as far as I’m concerned. I desire Sanders over Henry now though. Don’t think Sanders will ever have Henry’s impact. But Sanders is just hitting his prime…while Henry is leaving his. I can already see how these comments are going to be twisted. I’m strictly speaking over the next four years what I expect each RB impact to be. Sanders just getting going…Henry I’d be surprised if he still is playing in four years. Now go ahead and twist away.

43 minutes ago, joemas6 said:

That's the challenge for a running QB.  Your whole life you won football games by running.  How do you stop?  I

I’d say he’s won football games by doing both. Taking what the D gives. Exactly what defenses can’t account for. 

But your label of running QB on Hurts not sure applies. Not because he can’t run the ball. Because you seemingly are limiting him to the label of past QBs that ran. I’ve pointed out how there has never been a QB like Hurts before. FL I’m not saying he’s god like or anything like that….before you even jump in misinterpreting again. We have never seen his whole package in a previous QB is all my point is. 

So trying to limit Hurts based on one feature that he accells in just is short sighted and not applicable. 

50 minutes ago, joemas6 said:

That's the challenge for a running QB.  Your whole life you won football games by running.  How do you stop?  I

Think we’ve seen Hurts already prove he can. Look back at this season. He clearly had times he just gutted a team with his legs. Then the very next week gutted the next team with his arm. Hurts is very deliberate. Week 18 he controlled himself enough to his play smart and do just enough to get the job done. He clearly held back from running all over the giants. It was there. He saw it. But didn’t. Question answered…not from me…but from Hurts on the field already.

At 24 years old he already answered  that  question.

Frankly after the season I just watched from Hurts that running QB question was insulting. It was a deliberate attempt to limit and bash Hurts by sticking a negative label on him. I can go game by game through the season to break down specifically how Hurts completely answered this questioning already. 

57 minutes ago, joemas6 said:

Not at all.... Carolina has improved.   SF was already a dominant running team.  CMC specifically adds to their passing game.  

San Fran forced Deebo to be a RB. Draft investment in RB. Then big trade for a huge RB. So nah….I’ll go further then if you doubling down on your point the Niners don’t value investing in RB. They went all in on the mega RB trade of the season for a RB. McCaffrey makes them much much more dangerous a matchup for us. We have defensive run game questions. I’d go as far as say weakness. McCaffrey significantly makes the Niners a much bigger matchup problem for us. I could see them adding him at RB making us an underdog against them in our stadium for the NFC title…if we can get there.

1 hour ago, joemas6 said:

Line ...doesn't depend on anything.  They need to replenish both lines...   the necessary positions,not the luxury that is the RB position 

We had Sproles and Smallwood in May of 2017.    The least of my concern is RB.

And despite that we selected Sanders with pick 53 in 2019,so to assume 'we don't draft RB's" is a fallacy and I will leave that open for now. This kid is potentially better(and why he is a round q pick),so blow it off if you want,but at this point I can't. He would also be beneficial to Hurts career longevity

McCaffrey went for 119, 108 and 121 rushing for Santa Clara. Terrible point No Mas. You actually praised Carolina and Niners about views on RB. When they just made a mega RB trade. If you stuck with Carolina…your point could have been solid. Agree or not…you could have pointed at them to prove your theory. But you killed your own theory by also including the Niners. I even can make the case for your actual theory and argument. But that was a terrible way to make it. Pretty easy case to be made for what I believe your point was. You completely blew it there. You know and expect me to calm it like I see it. So I’d think you’d respect me calling you out on this…and demanding better from you.

1 hour ago, joemas6 said:

not the luxury that is the RB position 

It's a luxury until you don't have an effective one

1 hour ago, cunninghamtheman said:

That’s a huge swing. Sanders won’t command Zeke kind of money. Much rather pay Miles than consider taking a RB that high. We need to get a top Dline from that Saints pick. Top CB or Oline rises to show elite I can accept. I was very set on the Saints pick needing to be top ten. It ended up exactly at ten. Now the draft boards are getting much clearer. Thinking tenth isn’t good enough now. Still early to lock anything in yet. But at this point it looks like 8 is the draft position needed. RB and TE is the 9 and 10. Nothing set in stone for me on Big Board yet. Too focused on our season to dive in deep enough on my full draft thoughts. Special looking season has me behind on my draft prep. 

Who gives a crap what you accept? Howie won't LOL. NOTHING happens without Ham's approval LMFAO

1 hour ago, joemas6 said:

Really hurt New England a lot during all those playoff runs! 

I think you could point to specific short comings when they had assistants interviewing for HC jobs. The bar is so high for them. But if we are comparing any other situation to TB12 run in New England as the norm….then that changes all the arguments and theories.

1 hour ago, cunninghamtheman said:

That’s a huge swing

Taking the BPA is a huge swing?

I would not try and do things or compare things based on the Bellicheat TB12 model. Good luck there.

A huge Part of the brilliance of the Walsh system that AR has evolved is it can be coached and duplicated consistently. The theories are explained and we thought out that have proven correct. Pats dynasty how do you duplicate that? 

1 hour ago, cunninghamtheman said:

I’m not ready to go into detail countering your point here just yet. Just letting you know my thoughts aren’t quite with you on this point. After combine I’ll bring my thoughts to you. Need more prep and education on everybody to give you a respectable debate on this subject.

If you bothered to read my posts(which I KNOW YOU DONT) I usually say "at this point" or AT this time" and I have zero clues if Howie will trade back or whom the targets are AT THIS POINT. There is no debate because it's my OPINION,which can CHANGE when I see fit to change it. I don't need your debate or approval for my opinion. When I see the linemen I wanted OUT OF REACH,then I pivot to another possibility,and who the hell knows if ANY guys I picked are even on Howies board? I'm just locating possibilities,debate all you want because it's an unproveable effort in futility that's way too early anyhow. I'm findin players of interest IN MY OPINION and that is not debatable. And BTW I had 2/4 linemen in my 4 choices,so it's not like I ignored it

1 hour ago, cunninghamtheman said:

Ekeler they signed cheap believing in him. But it is very interesting to me how the numbers on the contract seem to be right at what I was predicting. All depends on the market. That’s FA and draft that can effect it. 12 mil only comes from a bidding war. The 7 mil is what I’ve been spitballing for him to stay. It’s a big picture GM job that will decide things. Gotta realize how signing of all FA positions, trade possibilities and draft options effect keeping Sanders. How DBs and LBs actually matter about how much Sanders is worth to us. Rather pay him more than 7 mil per than use the tenth pick on a RB though.

So you wouldn't trade Henry for pick 10? We did that to get AJ LOL,but now that it's a RB it's totally different?. Y'all said "we're not paying Sanders alot", "certainly not 8 million a year,Howie won't pay it," but now it's "we need to pay Sanders alot"  LMAO. We got Bradberry and CJG,still young,but we can't do that with linemen? Maybe there is a RB out there as well,but if you are a BPA and you can't re-sign the guys you have now,then you have to look at the possibility. SO whatever. Everyone knows exactly what will happen,so no sense exploring other options. All set in stone