58 minutes ago, cunninghamtheman said:

Seemed very clear to me Sanders was not highly thought of by Siri. That is when he took the job. Sanders had to convince Siri he was The Guy. Think he did an excellent job of becoming his best version of that. How convinced and sold is Siri on him now? He clearly converted Siri from a nonbeliever into making him the bell cow back. Big turn around in two seasons. Sanders was more of a finesse back. He really bulked up and became much more physical. Clearly changed his dance around in the backfield style looking for the big plays…into a much more one cut north and south approach. Some highlight moments of punishing LBs to show his evolution. My gut tells me Siri wants a bigger more physical RB, ideally. But it comes down to what are the options? Is that guy going to be an option? Not talking about at pick ten either. Is the big picture plan for the franchise to knowingly take next year off? Hurts and Siri presumptively have earned their jobs. Not on the hot seat next season. Rosie isn’t either. Takes very strong mental fortitude to be smart looking longer term and not push each offseason and season.

LMAO,oh who told you Siri didn't think highly of him? Wentz's mom? Sanders having been in the league long before Siri got here had to convince him? Siri has only been a HC for 2 years?. How do you know what type RB Siri wants and if that's what he wanted why didn't Howie go get one? Siri didn't review film on us before he accepted the job? Had no clue who our players were?.Noone has a clue who Howie selects at pick 10???? Does Howie know he's not to take  the top RB in this class at 10? Did you send him a memo? If Siri wanted a bigger RB gainwell was a wasted pick. neither you nor I have a clue who we take at 10,but it can ONLY be the guy you like. Case closed,there are no other options available 

1 hour ago, cunninghamtheman said:

I agree with your words put in No Mas mouth here. AJ is going with many miles left on his tires. Henry has major miles on him. Think he’s arguably on the downside of his career going forward. AJ way over Henry. Henry has left his mark on the game in the history books…as far as I’m concerned. I desire Sanders over Henry now though. Don’t think Sanders will ever have Henry’s impact. But Sanders is just hitting his prime…while Henry is leaving his. I can already see how these comments are going to be twisted. I’m strictly speaking over the next four years what I expect each RB impact to be. Sanders just getting going…Henry I’d be surprised if he still is playing in four years. Now go ahead and twist away.

OK Ham pick ANOTHER TOP RB and plug him in,how about Mixon or Chubb? Missing the POINT entirely as usual. Would you trade the 10 pick for any of those? Caff? Sanders was fine as pick 53,but a top RB at 10 is just out of the question(and you have him for 5 years on rook pay). So tell me step by step what we do at RB this off season/draft since apparently you already know

53 minutes ago, cunninghamtheman said:

But your label of running QB on Hurts not sure applies. Not because he can’t run the ball. Because you seemingly are limiting him to the label of past QBs that ran. I’ve pointed out how there has never been a QB like Hurts before. FL I’m not saying he’s god like or anything like that….before you even jump in misinterpreting again. We have never seen his whole package in a previous QB is all my point is. 

UM,we've never had the surrounding personnel like we have now EVER???? Top/best Oline, excellent WR corps? For once a decent secondary? Run stopping D line? Have we ever had all this before at once? I'm glad Hurts plays well,but seriously we gave him tools no other QB we have ever had has gotten

1 hour ago, cunninghamtheman said:

Ekeler they signed cheap believing in him. But it is very interesting to me how the numbers on the contract seem to be right at what I was predicting. All depends on the market. That’s FA and draft that can effect it. 12 mil only comes from a bidding war. The 7 mil is what I’ve been spitballing for him to stay. It’s a big picture GM job that will decide things. Gotta realize how signing of all FA positions, trade possibilities and draft options effect keeping Sanders. How DBs and LBs actually matter about how much Sanders is worth to us. Rather pay him more than 7 mil per than use the tenth pick on a RB though.

The 10th pick or paying $7 mil for a RB...absolute worst options.   Find Matt Breida, Raheem Mostert to add to our committee.   Would be dumb to spend on RB in today's game... late or mid 2nd round pick wise at most...money wise $ 5 to 6 mil combined for RB is even high.

1 hour ago, cunninghamtheman said:

Seemed very clear to me Sanders was not highly thought of by Siri. That is when he took the job. Sanders had to convince Siri he was The Guy. Think he did an excellent job of becoming his best version of that. How convinced and sold is Siri on him now? He clearly converted Siri from a nonbeliever into making him the bell cow back. Big turn around in two seasons. Sanders was more of a finesse back. He really bulked up and became much more physical. Clearly changed his dance around in the backfield style looking for the big plays…into a much more one cut north and south approach. Some highlight moments of punishing LBs to show his evolution. My gut tells me Siri wants a bigger more physical RB, ideally. But it comes down to what are the options? Is that guy going to be an option? Not talking about at pick ten either. Is the big picture plan for the franchise to knowingly take next year off? Hurts and Siri presumptively have earned their jobs. Not on the hot seat next season. Rosie isn’t either. Takes very strong mental fortitude to be smart looking longer term and not push each offseason and season.

Sanders had the job... when did he " take it"   he was the highest draft pick and paid guy...it was his job as a lead man in a committee.  You don't pay a committee guy $7 mil.   Just bad business. 

Congrats to Miles Sanders for showing a little something this year.   3 more games I will be rooting for you as an Eagle.   Good luck and go make that coin elsewhere.     Maybe see you back here on the cheap in 3 years.

 

2 hours ago, GreenbleedinNC said:

You wouldn't trade the 10 pick for Derrick Henry? But trading for AJ is fine?

Correct.   I'll take a #1 WR all day.   I agree 100 % with Eagles analyst and should be Hall of Famer Seth Joyner.  AJ Brown is the linchpin.    He came here and changed everything. 

Hurts has someone to throw short passes to and it results in first downs.  Eliminated the effects of blitzing Hurts.  See first play yesterday. 

No more focus everything on Smith. 

Goedert has more room.

Wait...it's coincidence Sanders woke up this year?

Yes...every day of the week I would take Brown over Henry, twice on Sunday.    

I build my team...

You want solid options everywhere.  But my philosophy. 

I need 2 positions where I want the opponent to use multiple people against. 

1 = pass rusher

2 = WR

I can have 5 solid OL without a probowl player as long as all are average or above. No weakness.   I can have the same in the secondary.  Those 2 spots a weak player can kill you.

But at WR and DL... I need a standout to make all the other guys jobs easier.  One player there can change the game. 

RB... without the line and the space to run, not going to have much impact.   And if they put extra guys in the box, sure that may help the WRs... but you need that one that wins vs single coverage almost all of the time.   A #2 WR vs the better CB usually isn't going to win.   The #1 WR changes the whole pecking order and helps everyone. 

1 hour ago, cunninghamtheman said:

I would not try and do things or compare things based on the Bellicheat TB12 model. Good luck there.

It worked in 2017... when Howie studied the model while in exile.   You see a lot of similarities....including RB by committee 

49 minutes ago, GreenbleedinNC said:

So you wouldn't trade Henry for pick 10? We did that to get AJ LOL,but now that it's a RB it's totally different?. Y'all said "we're not paying Sanders alot", "certainly not 8 million a year,Howie won't pay it," but now it's "we need to pay Sanders alot"  LMAO. We got Bradberry and CJG,still young,but we can't do that with linemen? Maybe there is a RB out there as well,but if you are a BPA and you can't re-sign the guys you have now,then you have to look at the possibility. SO whatever. Everyone knows exactly what will happen,so no sense exploring other options. All set in stone

I wouldn't trade pick 10 next year for any RB in history.  The game has changed... the elite WR is the guy defenses plan around... the running game is planned around the blocking scheme. 

27 minutes ago, joemas6 said:

Correct.   I'll take a #1 WR all day.   I agree 100 % with Eagles analyst and should be Hall of Famer Seth Joyner.  AJ Brown is the linchpin.    He came here and changed everything. 

Hurts has someone to throw short passes to and it results in first downs.  Eliminated the effects of blitzing Hurts.  See first play yesterday. 

No more focus everything on Smith. 

Goedert has more room.

Wait...it's coincidence Sanders woke up this year?

Yes...every day of the week I would take Brown over Henry, twice on Sunday.    

Interesting you place RB's at the bottom of the food chain,yet are all for the clock burning running game near the end. I am also for that, when the time comes(which we also disagree on) but don't forget we need the RB's to do it. Having a superior O line is terrific,you sure we're going to have that the next 5 years? I mean to the point we don't need a decent/better RB? If you think our O line stays at the top 5 years in a row,that's terrific and I hope you are right. Brieda or those others you mention would be fine,but you need a lead RB and if Sanders and Scott are not here,the it's just a hodge podge of #2,#3 RB's. So at this time I cannot rule out a RB who is arguably much better than Sanders was at 53 as a possible future LEAD RB. Someone needs to take the lead in the room,not have 5 guys that are mediocre

15 minutes ago, joemas6 said:

I build my team...

You want solid options everywhere.  But my philosophy. 

I need 2 positions where I want the opponent to use multiple people against. 

1 = pass rusher

2 = WR

I can have 5 solid OL without a probowl player as long as all are average or above. No weakness.   I can have the same in the secondary.  Those 2 spots a weak player can kill you.

But at WR and DL... I need a standout to make all the other guys jobs easier.  One player there can change the game. 

RB... without the line and the space to run, not going to have much impact.   And if they put extra guys in the box, sure that may help the WRs... but you need that one that wins vs single coverage almost all of the time.   A #2 WR vs the better CB usually isn't going to win.   The #1 WR changes the whole pecking order and helps everyone. 

If you want to prolong Hurts career,you need RB's you can hand off to on 3rd/4th and 1 rather than expose Hurts. Same at the GL instead of Hurts taking it himself. Noone has to game plan for Derrick Henry? He isn't a game changer if you ignore him? 

21 minutes ago, joemas6 said:

I wouldn't trade pick 10 next year for any RB in history.  The game has changed... the elite WR is the guy defenses plan around... the running game is planned around the blocking scheme. 

So if you're not trading it, then take a guy you can have 5 years at rook pay. Or pay 5-6 million for mediocre. Usually I can find a few good RB's in drafts. Very difficult this year because it's loaded with mediocrity. So if Sanders and Scott go who takes the reins Gainwell?(nope) without looking name the up and coming RB's on our roster. At some point you have to make in investment 

TCU-overrated trash,looks like HS-AWFUL 45-7 and it's not that close

IDK Joe,I imagine Siri game plans for Henry,and Cook and Bark and Zeke and Kamara and Caff etc etc. Be foolish to not do it. I'm sure teams plan for Sanders/Scott. if they had to plan for Gainwell as the lead back,I doubt they would be overly worried about him. And as I'm sure you are aware, the running game and passing game work in harmony. It's hard to free up 1 without the other and really you need both to use whichever to your advantage as you face differing defenses

Oh well a week off. I will enjoy seeing who come to the linc first

1 hour ago, GreenbleedinNC said:

Interesting you place RB's at the bottom of the food chain,yet are all for the clock burning running game near the end. I am also for that, when the time comes(which we also disagree on) but don't forget we need the RB's to do it. Having a superior O line is terrific,you sure we're going to have that the next 5 years? I mean to the point we don't need a decent/better RB? If you think our O line stays at the top 5 years in a row,that's terrific and I hope you are right. Brieda or those others you mention would be fine,but you need a lead RB and if Sanders and Scott are not here,the it's just a hodge podge of #2,#3 RB's. So at this time I cannot rule out a RB who is arguably much better than Sanders was at 53 as a possible future LEAD RB. Someone needs to take the lead in the room,not have 5 guys that are mediocre

GB.... I love watching the kids open the presents on Christmas.   I know my wife is the reason for that.    I love the execution in burning the clock and getting first downs when having a 2nd half lead..    but just like my kids, the RBs are recipients of the work other people put in.   I'm not saying you get a a scrub RB... but I'm good with 3 adequate guys back there rotating.  

The elite RB doesn't have the same effect as the other positions have for him.    

1 minute ago, joemas6 said:

GB.... I love watching the kids open the presents on Christmas.   I know my wife is the reason for that.    I love the execution in burning the clock and getting first downs when having a 2nd half lead..    but just like my kids, the RBs are recipients of the work other people put in.   I'm not saying you get a a scrub RB... but I'm good with 3 adequate guys back there rotating.  

The elite RB doesn't have the same effect as the other positions have for him.    

So ...it's the exact reason that I don't think our OL might be as good.... that I would prefer to use the picks for linemen than a RB.  I want to get the line good first.  Not only do they block for the RB...more importantly they block for the QB.    Or if it's the DL... they stop the RB and attack the QB ...either way more important than the guy who gets the gifts from the work the other guys put in. 

6 minutes ago, joemas6 said:

So ...it's the exact reason that I don't think our OL might be as good.... that I would prefer to use the picks for linemen than a RB.  I want to get the line good first.  Not only do they block for the RB...more importantly they block for the QB.    Or if it's the DL... they stop the RB and attack the QB ...either way more important than the guy who gets the gifts from the work the other guys put in. 

Sure,I understand. I good line makes a mediocre RB looks good. Just saying it's nice to have a better than mediocre RB. I don't know that Robinson is elite. I doubt that,but he seems to be a solid guy you could have for many years in the event we don't hit on every lineman or if some go out injured,we'd still have a better than average guy to lean on if we had to. And if the top guys we like are gone,then you choose between taking a RB you can have for 5 years,or trading back. I am fairly good at picking out RB's. Normally it's difficult to locate the round 4,5 UDFA's.I really had to research before, but this class is very weak. It's a good class for linesman. But in the event Howie can't get the trade deal he wants to trade back,taking the best RB in this class wouldn't necessarily be a bad thing. I would put him on par with Sanders talent wise. So with all we need,it was merely an option and everyone goes berserk LOL. I mean I wouldn't be upset if we took him. Have to wait and see what shakes out in the offseason. I run different mocks to see if we can get what we need and where. Of course what we need is also my opinion. LONG way to go,just looking at possibilities  

27 minutes ago, joemas6 said:

GB.... I love watching the kids open the presents on Christmas.   I know my wife is the reason for that.    I love the execution in burning the clock and getting first downs when having a 2nd half lead..    but just like my kids, the RBs are recipients of the work other people put in.   I'm not saying you get a a scrub RB... but I'm good with 3 adequate guys back there rotating.  

The elite RB doesn't have the same effect as the other positions have for him.    

Yeah,I said "lead" RB not "elite",but someone should be better than the others and I just don't see Gainwell fitting that bill if we lost Sanders and Scott. I'm sure there will be FA's out there,just saying taking the top RB means you can check that box off for 4-5 years as the "lead".Fill in as needed like we did after drafting Sanders. But now it's time to maybe replace Sanders,then we can fill in like we did with him

4 hours ago, GreenbleedinNC said:

Taking the BPA is a huge swing?

Positional value exists

4 hours ago, GreenbleedinNC said:

If you bothered to read my posts(which I KNOW YOU DONT) I usually say "at this point" or AT this time" and I have zero clues if Howie will trade back or whom the targets are AT THIS POINT. There is no debate because it's my OPINION,which can CHANGE when I see fit to change it. I don't need your debate or approval for my opinion. When I see the linemen I wanted OUT OF REACH,then I pivot to another possibility,and who the hell knows if ANY guys I picked are even on Howies board? I'm just locating possibilities,debate all you want because it's an unproveable effort in futility that's way too early anyhow. I'm findin players of interest IN MY OPINION and that is not debatable. And BTW I had 2/4 linemen in my 4 choices,so it's not like I ignored it

I was trying to give you credit. You’re ahead of me on your draft prep. Was saying I’m not ready to even have an educated enough opinion to dispute yours right now in any way

4 hours ago, GreenbleedinNC said:

So you wouldn't trade Henry for pick 10? We did that to get AJ LOL,but now that it's a RB it's totally different?. Y'all said "we're not paying Sanders alot", "certainly not 8 million a year,Howie won't pay it," but now it's "we need to pay Sanders alot"  LMAO. We got Bradberry and CJG,still young,but we can't do that with linemen? Maybe there is a RB out there as well,but if you are a BPA and you can't re-sign the guys you have now,then you have to look at the possibility. SO whatever. Everyone knows exactly what will happen,so no sense exploring other options. All set in stone

I thought my response said it’s very fluid situation. All the other positions effect whether you pay Sanders. No I wouldn’t trade for Henry. I think he’s been run into the ground. He’s been dominate. But his style and usage I believe have him likely at the end of his prime. I think he’s not even going to be playing in four years. You’d be paying for his past. I only want to pay for future play we’d actually see.

AJ is very young. Got plenty of years to still dominate. To me that’s the ovvious point. 

7 hours ago, joemas6 said:

Raheem Mostert, Matt Breida, ... guys dominating playing RB in SF...  perfect team to use as an example where RB doesn't impact as much as its the team he is on.

Two straight third round RB when they traded away most anything higher pick wise.