1 hour ago, joemas6 said:

Oh my bad, you want Howie fired ... the only GM to win a SB,,, then continue to make the playoffs the next couple of years despite the injuries and the aging roster?     How about the roster naturally turnover first to the next crop of young guys and then we see what's up after that?    Like I said, first things first, the receiving corps changes big time, the lines are coming soon too... and that should allow us to go after some LBs and DBs.  The firing of the coach and the GM in a rush fashion isn't what I see a guy like Lurie doing.  I really don't think this year, if they make the playoffs or not matters.  Big thing will see how they rebound next year, how they get out of the cap situation and how the young guys step up.  

I like your restraint Joe. I agree with the patient approach... this has been a challenging season on many fronts. This team understands it is in transition ... weather Peedy wants it or not the old guys can't hold up anymore. We drafted a lot of speed at LB time to get that speed on the field against a fast and powerful Raven team.  I don't see Laurie making any major front office changes. Howie gotta get Schwartz some help.

HopefullyTaylor can add the future. Wasn’t my choice...but I’m optimistic. But I just can’t help to think what an elite LB would go for us. Really just need one. One stud to play most every down. TheN mix in LB...DB, S, CB all around that. We could match up with people. But our second level of defense is so pathetic...you’d trot out seven DBs behind our DLine. Anything better than Gerry. He misses tackles. Missed his reads. Doesn’t hold his position. And it feels like is one of the worst coverage hits of the season. Now maybe just because I watch us so much I’m exaggerating this part. But it feels like every QB and OC are targeting him.

16 minutes ago, cunninghamtheman said:

We keep spending on Dline. You keep preaching how crucial the Dline is in Schwartz defense. Picks...cash...whatever. But then you see Big Ben get the ball out quick. See a few counters and reverses. And you see the flaws in putting all the eggs in the basket. Tomlin just laid out the playbook on how to deal with that. Brady, Brees...and a few others have perfected that. Might be time for you(and to be fair others) to rethink some things. Gotta give the DC some weapons. Schwartz has been doing this forever. Pass rush is crucial. I don’t want to sound like I disagree with that. But you are missing the symbiotic relationship along the D. If all has to come together. I’d say with minimal investment Schwartz has done very well. I think we’ve been the sixth best at giving up points while he’s been here. I’m impressed by that. Don’t think the D has been prioritized enough to command those kind of results.

And that again is not a money issue.   They just don't prioritize the LB spot.... 40 years now.   I don't think it's coincidence that IMO we had our best LB corp in forever in 2017 and won.   I also don't think its coincidence we had a good RB committee... and WRs who were healthy all offseason and season for the QB to play with either.   

I'm ready to say congrats on winning the SB and the playoff runs afterwards... now we move on to the young guys... I'd like to see Wentz and Cox as foundation pieces for the next couple of years, but I would avoid extending Cox.  Let the guys like Lane and Brooks play out the deals... the guys who won't save us any cap space if we cut them... and let them be vets in the locker room for these young guys.   The 2022 roster should look a lot different... hopefully with a reliable LT and DE, but I still have my doubts there.  I have a good feeling about the WR core though, just hope they get the reps now.  

15 minutes ago, cunninghamtheman said:

I’m with you on the youth movement. Problem with Taylor is he isn’t remotely ready. Guy has barely played football. Got measurable that are incredible. Flajole preached about how coachable he is. We have a heck of a LB coach. Guys been given very...very little. So it’s probably a good match. But it’s the long game...maybe over nine seasons it’s great. But the extremely athletic kid....probably needs a lot.

I have a little conflict with the message .This team sticks with its veterans which can be a good thing until they become a Mash unit year in year out.They have told us Sooo many of our young players Mialata not ready Sydney Jones,  Douglas, Villenuva, the Lb LJ Fort signed a big contract with  BMore  why can't they play for us ? But seem to do well on other teams . They loyalty to some of the older players in this business is misplaced. We drafted these kids the veterans are hurt let them play.

5 minutes ago, joemas6 said:

The cycle... teams age... you like the 49ers and how they did everything.    That was your organization the model.   Suck for a while... clear your cap ...    I said, let;s see how they do in a 3 or 4 year span like the Eagles have done.   Almost win a SB, vs winning like we did.... and looks like they won't make the playoffs this year.   And we know.... they can;t use the injury excuse, because we couldn't.  Lynch is not a good GM because he failed to anticipate the injuries ...right... lol    But hey... all that cap space, why didn;t they buy their way out of the injury bug?  

Yep... the guy who is responsible for your only SB win as a fan... that guy.   

OK... again... they invested in Barnett... ok, not great, underperformed for pick 14... Dillard has been a zero... they missed Metcalf for JJAW... they invested in Slay and Hargrave, who many thought were the best available at their spots.     Again, you like the roster built differently, it's not a money issue when you pick the wrong guys.   Next year, we have a money issue.  Has not effected us anywhere near that the mistakes in selecting players and injuries.   

I’ll give you the right investment part. Invest in the right guys...it works. But the investment was limited because of funds. Couldn’t really do anything for one year or two because...all capped out. But yes... I’m upset about investing in some of these older guys to fix the problems. And we pushed all the money towards the future. Well guess what...we are seeing how that does us...one freaking win. Do you want to point towards after draft picks. Ok. Not really disagreeing there. Clearly a critical factor. Going afterolder FA to keep us on top? That where you fell in the trap. That’s the Bronze standard you preached against. Exactly what we’ve been up to since winning it all. But going backwards. Just trying to maintain the Bronze Standard. Gotta look forwards or you fall way behind...we’ve been looking backwards. Hopeful to even reach your dreaded Bronze Standard. Meanwhile your Bronze Standard coach you preach against....SB champ. Most likely the favorite team of being the best this year. You still aren’t getting it. Gotta open your mind. The past doesn’t dictate the future.

23 minutes ago, joemas6 said:

Yep... the guy who is responsible for your only SB win as a fan... that guy.   

The guy that have Alshon a huge deal that we are now stuck with? The same guy who can't draft a young corner and in the end had to give up valuable draft picks to bring in a veteran? The guy who drafted a LT that it seems the organisation hadn't extensively scouted and so had to bring back the ageing LT? And who is relying on an ageing center coming back year after year with no back up plan? The guy who passed on so many WRs and drafted a guy who should probably be cut at this point? The guy who drafted a RB in the fourth round who was clearly undersized? The guy who's plan at WR relied heavily on a deep threat who has always had injury issues? And missed 15 games essentially last year? The guy who wasted a second round pick on a back up QB who the team use on a play or two per game? That's the guy you're happy with? 

10 minutes ago, Trini said:

I have a little conflict with the message .This team sticks with its veterans which can be a good thing until they become a Mash unit year in year out.They have told us Sooo many of our young players Mialata not ready Sydney Jones,  Douglas, Villenuva, the Lb LJ Fort signed a big contract with  BMore  why can't they play for us ? But seem to do well on other teams . They loyalty to some of the older players in this business is misplaced. We drafted these kids the veterans are hurt let them play.

I’m with you on let Mailata sink or swim. Let some of these guys get tested. You find some guys like we did at WR. Tried to scrap Ward...but he pushed his way in. Fulgham answered the bell this year. And your right...loyalty really has no business in this game. Just the way it is. I’m thinking about what you can do for us tomorrow more than yesterday. So I’m with you on getting the young guys experience. Or heck just testing them. Let’s see what we have. But Taylor was drafted as an athletic project. Don’t...and didn’t think he’s remotely ready. He wasn’t my choice. But really the only way I ever saw that pick. Hoping he develops. Really think he will. But throwing him into the lions den at this point would most likely be crushing. Gotta protect him some. I guess it depends on what you thought of a Taylor as a pick...but I’m all for swinging for the fences. Feel like he’d probably fit under that line of thought.

4 minutes ago, cunninghamtheman said:

I’ll give you the right investment part. Invest in the right guys...it works. But the investment was limited because of funds. Couldn’t really do anything for one year or two because...all capped out. But yes... I’m upset about investing in some of these older guys to fix the problems. And we pushed all the money towards the future. Well guess what...we are seeing how that does us...one freaking win. Do you want to point towards after draft picks. Ok. Not really disagreeing there. Clearly a critical factor. Going afterolder FA to keep us on top? That where you fell in the trap. That’s the Bronze standard you preached against. Exactly what we’ve been up to since winning it all. But going backwards. Just trying to maintain the Bronze Standard. Gotta look forwards or you fall way behind...we’ve been looking backwards. Hopeful to even reach your dreaded Bronze Standard. Meanwhile your Bronze Standard coach you preach against....SB champ. Most likely the favorite team of being the best this year. You still aren’t getting it. Gotta open your mind. The past doesn’t dictate the future.

Ham, relax... we won a SB, so I believed you owed that group a chance to do it again.  That was the last 2 years.   But lets focus on the money part, because you are obsessed with it.   I'm trying to point out, that the money is the issue next year.  Not this year.  Tell me who the top FAs were that you wanted.  And don;t give me a LB because that is my point, they don't believe in investing in those.    Slay and Hargrave, they spent there.   They had money to spend and compared to most other teams they spend their fair share.  That isn't the problem.  In reality, if Barnett and Dillard were who they were drafted to be, it would solve a lot of issues.  If any of the WRs were healthy or if we hit on the JJAW pick... any one of those makes a big difference.  

I feel bad for you that we can't invest in a big FA next year... but I'm looking at fixing the draft issues as the biggest concern for me.   You need to draft your core, tehy come into the league as your property, not influenced at all by another organization and you get them at the young physical age where they can do more.    You gotta hit on these picks.  WE have some nice players... when was the last time we drafted a pro bowl player?   Wentz for 1 pro bowl in ... Ertz and Lane in 2013 were really it.... so 7 years and your only pro bowl pick is a QB for one year?  Now your 2013 pro bowlers .... one is injured and the other is shot.    This is not a money issue here.  The 2017 draft was not a money issue was it?   JJAW not a money issue.  Dillard, not a money issue.  

And yes, the bronze situation I hate ... the only good thing about it, is that I feel the QB earned the bronze pretty much on his own last year.  If he does it again, with this young group, at least we can build on that.   The roster won't be put together with duck tape and paper clips next year. That is the positive part about not having the cap space, we won;t see Jason Peters anymore ... which we both were done with for a couple years now.  The roster has to flip, so drafting becomes the issue next year.  

23 minutes ago, joemas6 said:

And that again is not a money issue.   They just don't prioritize the LB spot.... 40 years now.   I don't think it's coincidence that IMO we had our best LB corp in forever in 2017 and won.   I also don't think its coincidence we had a good RB committee... and WRs who were healthy all offseason and season for the QB to play with either.   

I'm ready to say congrats on winning the SB and the playoff runs afterwards... now we move on to the young guys... I'd like to see Wentz and Cox as foundation pieces for the next couple of years, but I would avoid extending Cox.  Let the guys like Lane and Brooks play out the deals... the guys who won't save us any cap space if we cut them... and let them be vets in the locker room for these young guys.   The 2022 roster should look a lot different... hopefully with a reliable LT and DE, but I still have my doubts there.  I have a good feeling about the WR core though, just hope they get the reps now.  

Glad to see you getting there now. We squeezed in the playoffs with the worst division in football. I was saying it about 2018. Trying to repeat...I’ll give them. 2019...2020....heck you are thinking about 2022. If that doesn’t tell the story of our money issues what would? Feels like you made the case better than I could have.

2 minutes ago, UK_EaglesFan89 said:

The guy that have Alshon a huge deal that we are now stuck with? The same guy who can't draft a young corner and in the end had to give up valuable draft picks to bring in a veteran? The guy who drafted a LT that it seems the organisation hadn't extensively scouted and so had to bring back the ageing LT? And who is relying on an ageing center coming back year after year with no back up plan? The guy who passed on so many WRs and drafted a guy who should probably be cut at this point? The guy who drafted a RB in the fourth round who was clearly undersized? The guy who's plan at WR relied heavily on a deep threat who has always had injury issues? And missed 15 games essentially last year? The guy who wasted a second round pick on a back up QB who the team use on a play or two per game? That's the guy you're happy with? 

YEP... the best GM in our history... that same guy, yeah.   The one we can say has also won a SB like other GMs.   John Lynch can't say that ... nor most of the GMs in the 32 team league.  

Again, never said I'm happy with... my point is that I do not think the owner will fire him.  Not at this stage.  GM, Coach and QB, I think the owner likes all 3... I think they all come back next year.  The coach would be the first to go IMO.  But lets see how the drafts work out for us. Otherwise, another GM could be the one rebuilding.  But I do think big picture they are planning to flip the roster and I think Howie gets the first crack at doing it. 

Just now, joemas6 said:

YEP... the best GM in our history... that same guy, yeah.   The one we can say has also won a SB like other GMs.   John Lynch can't say that ... nor most of the GMs in the 32 team league.  

He fluked one year other than that he's a bad GM.

I mean what do you think a GM needs to do to be a good GM?

2 minutes ago, cunninghamtheman said:

Glad to see you getting there now. We squeezed in the playoffs with the worst division in football. I was saying it about 2018. Trying to repeat...I’ll give them. 2019...2020....heck you are thinking about 2022. If that doesn’t tell the story of our money issues what would? Feels like you made the case better than I could have.

Yeah... I was saying it after 2005 up until 2017.  Andy thrived here with a weak division.    And congrats, he has built up a team with awesome weapons, he can't mess it up at this point unless it comes down to managing the time.  

Yeah, I'm thinking 2022 because I'm thinking getting the young guys going to make a run.  I'm thinking 2022 because I want to get the team back up to a level to where I think my QB (who will still be in his 20s) can get back up to the elite level he played at the only year he had good players around him.  I'm thinking 2022, because I like these WRs and I want them to get some seasoning.   And I will remain consistent.. the thing that scares me the most is our DL ... because I'm thinking 2022... and I see a 32 year old Cox, no more Graham/ Curry ... a nice back up in Sweat who you can't give too many reps too, whose knee can go out at any time.... and a Barnett that I hope takes a leap into being close to pro bowl level... too many ifs.  

8 minutes ago, joemas6 said:

Ham, relax... we won a SB, so I believed you owed that group a chance to do it again.  That was the last 2 years.   But lets focus on the money part, because you are obsessed with it.   I'm trying to point out, that the money is the issue next year.  Not this year.  Tell me who the top FAs were that you wanted.  And don;t give me a LB because that is my point, they don't believe in investing in those.    Slay and Hargrave, they spent there.   They had money to spend and compared to most other teams they spend their fair share.  That isn't the problem.  In reality, if Barnett and Dillard were who they were drafted to be, it would solve a lot of issues.  If any of the WRs were healthy or if we hit on the JJAW pick... any one of those makes a big difference.  

I feel bad for you that we can't invest in a big FA next year... but I'm looking at fixing the draft issues as the biggest concern for me.   You need to draft your core, tehy come into the league as your property, not influenced at all by another organization and you get them at the young physical age where they can do more.    You gotta hit on these picks.  WE have some nice players... when was the last time we drafted a pro bowl player?   Wentz for 1 pro bowl in ... Ertz and Lane in 2013 were really it.... so 7 years and your only pro bowl pick is a QB for one year?  Now your 2013 pro bowlers .... one is injured and the other is shot.    This is not a money issue here.  The 2017 draft was not a money issue was it?   JJAW not a money issue.  Dillard, not a money issue.  

And yes, the bronze situation I hate ... the only good thing about it, is that I feel the QB earned the bronze pretty much on his own last year.  If he does it again, with this young group, at least we can build on that.   The roster won't be put together with duck tape and paper clips next year. That is the positive part about not having the cap space, we won;t see Jason Peters anymore ... which we both were done with for a couple years now.  The roster has to flip, so drafting becomes the issue next year.  

Look you make points about drafting. No doubt....gotta draft well. Fallen short there. But that’s not the only area. You talk about hitting a JJAW pick...or some other draftee. Well we could have picked up a vet. Had more money...wouldn’t have been a problem. And of coarse I’m going to talk about a LB. that’s part of the money issue. I talked all offseason about the need. Heck really been talking about it for awhile. I circled all levels of FA LB options. We picked up short stuff from SD. A backup. Probably mostly a ST. He opted out with the COVID situation. Thing is he wouldn’t have helped. The money is always huge. You gotta draft well. Your right there. I’ve never said otherwise. But the key to the Championship puzzle really falls under paying for that missing piece. That usually isn’t cheap. Like a bringing in Slay. Heck of a talent. But we should have done it last season. Heck why the heck didn’t we pull the trigger on that trade last year? Over one round of draft pick? We spent on Miller and Avery. We needed a Slay  badly last season.

5 minutes ago, UK_EaglesFan89 said:

He fluked one year other than that he's a bad GM.

I mean what do you think a GM needs to do to be a good GM?

Well... a playoff run of a few years in a row... and winning at least 1 SB.    Who you got in the league that has done that right now?     Saints, Chiefs and Pats have had the playoff run ... Seahawks I still think are up there ... IDK, you tell me.     Who has the resume that you want?    

BTW.. I don't think 2017 was a fluke.  That roster was built over time... with a core of a combo of Reid/ Chip players... they added weapons at WR for the QB that opened up the offense to another level.... their LBs all kinda peaked together ... and they had a strong healthy DL that was deep  I think the pieces fit nicely.   

Just now, joemas6 said:

Well... a playoff run of a few years in a row... and winning at least 1 SB.    Who you got in the league that has done that right now?     Saints, Chiefs and Pats have had the playoff run ... Seahawks I still think are up there ... IDK, you tell me.     Who has the resume that you want?    

What's the point in having a roster that just about makes the play offs but can't really contend? Because that's where this roster is heading. Every year since the SB it has been regressing. Can't you see that? And it's been regressing because the GM can't draft and has handed out bad contracts. 

1 minute ago, cunninghamtheman said:

Look you make points about drafting. No doubt....gotta draft well. Fallen short there. But that’s not the only area. You talk about hitting a JJAW pick...or some other draftee. Well we could have picked up a vet. Had more money...wouldn’t have been a problem. And of coarse I’m going to talk about a LB. that’s part of the money issue. I talked all offseason about the need. Heck really been talking about it for awhile. I circled all levels of FA LB options. We picked up short stuff from SD. A backup. Probably mostly a ST. He opted out with the COVID situation. Thing is he wouldn’t have helped. The money is always huge. You gotta draft well. Your right there. I’ve never said otherwise. But the key to the Championship puzzle really falls under paying for that missing piece. That usually isn’t cheap. Like a bringing in Slay. Heck of a talent. But we should have done it last season. Heck why the heck didn’t we pull the trigger on that trade last year? Over one round of draft pick? We spent on Miller and Avery. We needed a Slay  badly last season.

We just will disagree about LB  ... We agree we suck at LB... no doubt there.   But you seem to think they were going to spend there ... and I don;t see it.  Nothing in their history tells me they were going to spend on LB.  

11 minutes ago, UK_EaglesFan89 said:

He fluked one year other than that he's a bad GM.

I mean what do you think a GM needs to do to be a good GM?

 

7 minutes ago, joemas6 said:

Yeah... I was saying it after 2005 up until 2017.  Andy thrived here with a weak division.    And congrats, he has built up a team with awesome weapons, he can't mess it up at this point unless it comes down to managing the time.  

Yeah, I'm thinking 2022 because I'm thinking getting the young guys going to make a run.  I'm thinking 2022 because I want to get the team back up to a level to where I think my QB (who will still be in his 20s) can get back up to the elite level he played at the only year he had good players around him.  I'm thinking 2022, because I like these WRs and I want them to get some seasoning.   And I will remain consistent.. the thing that scares me the most is our DL ... because I'm thinking 2022... and I see a 32 year old Cox, no more Graham/ Curry ... a nice back up in Sweat who you can't give too many reps too, whose knee can go out at any time.... and a Barnett that I hope takes a leap into being close to pro bowl level... too many ifs.  

NFL life. We debate about what will happen this season. Already well into it. Debate all offseason about what will happen coming up that season. Now you think there are ‘ifs’ on 2022? No doubt

1 minute ago, UK_EaglesFan89 said:

What's the point in having a roster that just about makes the play offs but can't really contend? Because that's where this roster is heading. Every year since the SB it has been regressing. Can't you see that? And it's been regressing because the GM can't draft and has handed out bad contracts. 

Yeah, the roster is going backwards because the better players are getting older.  How long have you been a fan?  This is nothing new, natural cycle,   I think this year, if we do make the playoffs ... with the young guys playing, it's a better sign than last year for sure.    The biggest factor remains the division is bad.. but winning a bad division with this young offense and pretty bad defense is something I could build on.  The offense should only get better.  The defense needs 12 new players.   I say 12 because 11 play at a time and hopefully using a number higher makes the point.  The whole back 7 can go and I'd be fine, even Slay.  

Just now, joemas6 said:

Yeah, the roster is going backwards because the better players are getting older.  How long have you been a fan?  This is nothing new, natural cycle,   I think this year, if we do make the playoffs ... with the young guys playing, it's a better sign than last year for sure.    The biggest factor remains the division is bad.. but winning a bad division with this young offense and pretty bad defense is something I could build on.  The offense should only get better.  The defense needs 12 new players.   I say 12 because 11 play at a time and hopefully using a number higher makes the point.  The whole back 7 can go and I'd be fine, even Slay.  

The better players are getting older and haven't been replaced because the GM can't draft! Jeez are you blind? You're literally saying the roster is getting worse which is the GMs job but you're then giving him a pass for it. 

If we make the play offs that is not better than last year. We will have made the play offs due to a freaking awful division. We will likely have made the play offs with a losing record. 

4 minutes ago, cunninghamtheman said:

 

NFL life. We debate about what will happen this season. Already well into it. Debate all offseason about what will happen coming up that season. Now you think there are ‘ifs’ on 2022? No doubt

How long have I been saying I'm concerned about the DL?   Not so much now... but look at the future.  You are putting it all on Sweat and Barnett... that is scary to me.  I have medium confidence at best in those 2 guys.  Cox isn't going to be here forever to make everyone else's job easier.  You know a string of 1st round picks on the DL is coming again... we've seen this before.  Passing up stud LBs etc.  Yeah, that scares me about the future of this team.

1 minute ago, joemas6 said:

How long have I been saying I'm concerned about the DL?   Not so much now... but look at the future.  You are putting it all on Sweat and Barnett... that is scary to me.  I have medium confidence at best in those 2 guys.  Cox isn't going to be here forever to make everyone else's job easier.  You know a string of 1st round picks on the DL is coming again... we've seen this before.  Passing up stud LBs etc.  Yeah, that scares me about the future of this team.

I am so lost on what your point is and what side you sit on. You are worried about the future of the DL, scared about the future of this team, frustrated it seems that we pass up on stud LBs... Yet you defend Howie. Makes no sense. All those things are on Howie. It's his fault. 

2 minutes ago, UK_EaglesFan89 said:

The better players are getting older and haven't been replaced because the GM can't draft! Jeez are you blind? You're literally saying the roster is getting worse which is the GMs job but you're then giving him a pass for it. 

If we make the play offs that is not better than last year. We will have made the play offs due to a freaking awful division. We will likely have made the play offs with a losing record. 

So making the playoffs... with Mailata, Driscol, Hightower, Reagor ....etc  is not a better sign for your future... than it was last year?  WE can disagree on that one.  And to be honest, my concern isn't really if we make the playoffs.  I'm just focused on these young guys on offense right now... the ones the GM picked.  If they do well, its a good sign.  

1 minute ago, joemas6 said:

How long have I been saying I'm concerned about the DL?   Not so much now... but look at the future.  You are putting it all on Sweat and Barnett... that is scary to me.  I have medium confidence at best in those 2 guys.  Cox isn't going to be here forever to make everyone else's job easier.  You know a string of 1st round picks on the DL is coming again... we've seen this before.  Passing up stud LBs etc.  Yeah, that scares me about the future of this team.

But your the one preaching and buying into this hype of its all about the Dline. Well out money and draft capital is all over the Dline....is that getting it done? Did our Dline just get completely negated by Pitt running counters, reverses and getting the ball out quick on passing? It absolutely just did! Flawed strategy. I’m not buying.

Just now, UK_EaglesFan89 said:

I am so lost on what your point is and what side you sit on. You are worried about the future of the DL, scared about the future of this team, frustrated it seems that we pass up on stud LBs... Yet you defend Howie. Makes no sense. All those things are on Howie. It's his fault. 

OK... you must be new here... but anyway... the philosophy about the LB has been here long before Howie.   Jimmy Carter was president the last time they took a LB in round 1.  Now sure Howe was even born?     Yes, I'm scared about the DL because to me it's a position that you can't be just ok at.  WE can put guys on the OL and have them coached up and be ok... for the DL you need to make plays, ok isn't good enough.   

4 minutes ago, joemas6 said:

OK... you must be new here... but anyway... the philosophy about the LB has been here long before Howie.   Jimmy Carter was president the last time they took a LB in round 1.  Now sure Howe was even born?     Yes, I'm scared about the DL because to me it's a position that you can't be just ok at.  WE can put guys on the OL and have them coached up and be ok... for the DL you need to make plays, ok isn't good enough.   

Now your getting lost in the Dream Team philosophy. Offense will be so great...we just need a pass rush.