14 minutes ago, joemas6 said:

Very good one dimensional.   I agree. Not worth top ten $$ for that.  

No need to throw to CMC?

Hurts doesn’t need a check down RB. He check down lower than pretty much anybody.

1 minute ago, cunninghamtheman said:

So though you are using a good argument here. The market is 16 mil for a RB. Half that is what it is. Like any position. But money always going up.

It’s his playmaking ability

The market is not $16 for RB.... because an elite guy gets that...it isn't the market.   I never mentioned 16 mil.   I'm out at $8 mil...that's top ten.  Forget putting $16 mil in any discussion with me...that is out.  Nobody looks at Miles Sanders as anywhere close to that.

3 minutes ago, cunninghamtheman said:

So though you are using a good argument here. The market is 16 mil for a RB. Half that is what it is. Like any position. But money always going up.

It’s his playmaking ability

Playmaking in addition to rushing.

4 minutes ago, joemas6 said:

Again....I'm not saying he isn't a good rusher.   I'm not saying he didn't improve.  I'm not saying he isn't the best rusher on the team. I'm not saying Bradberry, CGJ and others won't cost more...  I'm not disagreeing with anything you are saying.

I'm simply saying one thing...he isn't worth paying that much because he doesn't do enough other things to warrant that amount. You will still need other RBs to do the other stuff. 

You can replace him for much cheaper...if it needs to be a late 2nd round pick so be it.   Then you have the position locked in again for cheap. You can spend the $$ elsewhere to keep a DB or even Edwards.  Or upgrade the RG spot.  

$8 mil is a lot for " a good rusher"

Second round pick is valuable. I could use that at plenty of position. Not getting many starting positions at 7 mil. You could pay him and draft another position that’s much more expensive. You see? Pay Sanders or second round pick? I’d really consider Sanders at his price.

I’m not dead set on paying Sanders. But see what it brings..at his price….starter…unreal tread left as a RB. Versus the other pieces to the puzzle.

1 minute ago, cunninghamtheman said:

Hurts doesn’t need a check down RB. He check down lower than pretty much anybody.

So if given the choice...money being the same... Sanders,Pollard or CMC... you would choose Sanders for the Eagles?  You would think he gives us better chance of winning?

I'm asking...not putting words in your mouth.  I assume you would prefer CMC.  The guy who wasn't as good of a rusher. The guy who was comes out when they look to run the ball exclusively. 

The reason you should prefer CMC over Sanders...is because what he offers in the passing game.  As a pure rusher...idk if he is better than Sanders.

 

Khizir White probably costs fairly close to Sanders. I’d rather have Sanders.

Seumalo…rather Sanders

Bradbury, CGJ Edwards much more expensive 

Only so many draft picks. Probably rather go other positions with those up high. Save money trying to sign more expensive players at those positions. You see? I could use a second on S or CB. Save the 16 mil or so Bradbury or CGJ want.

2 minutes ago, cunninghamtheman said:

Second round pick is valuable. I could use that at plenty of position. Not getting many starting positions at 7 mil. You could pay him and draft another position that’s much more expensive. You see? Pay Sanders or second round pick? I’d really consider Sanders at his price.

Right... that $7 mil can be used to sign other guys if you don't use it for Sanders.  Like you gotta spend to get a player... that $7 mil can be added to what you are going to have to spend and get a better player.  You can get the $8 mil LB instead of the $1 mil.  

I imagine $7 mil can be used to keep any one of the defensive guys.

Those players are better…but will get paid soooo much more.

3 minutes ago, cunninghamtheman said:

Khizir White probably costs fairly close to Sanders. I’d rather have Sanders.

Seumalo…rather Sanders

Bradbury, CGJ Edwards much more expensive 

And the bottom 3 you have to spend it one someone right?   So spend the difference between that and add what you would pay Sanders and you can keep one of those.    That's what I would prefer.  

10 minutes ago, joemas6 said:

$8 mil would be top ten RB money. 

I still like your argument there. Old No Mas stuff. Quality. But using any weird dropoff points means nothing really. The market for RB is 16. He’s worth half.

Just now, cunninghamtheman said:

Those players are better…but will get paid soooo much more.

And that $7 mil would help pay.

The question you need to ask....do I want Sanders and a pedestrian at the other spot.   Or do I want one of those guys and another RB.   I think RB much easier to find.  Especially only one you need to be good at rushing. 

Any position a guy making half as much as the top market value player at their position…I think Sanders is worthy of that.

Just now, cunninghamtheman said:

I still like your argument there. Old No Mas stuff. Quality. But using any weird dropoff points means nothing really. The market for RB is 16. He’s worth half.

Joe

11 minutes ago, joemas6 said:

The market is not $16 for RB.... because an elite guy gets that...it isn't the market.   I never mentioned 16 mil.   I'm out at $8 mil...that's top ten.  Forget putting $16 mil in any discussion with me...that is out.  Nobody looks at Miles Sanders as anywhere close to that.

Playmaking in addition to rushing.

He isn’t top RB. He’s worth half of that though.

12 minutes ago, joemas6 said:

The market is not $16 for RB.... because an elite guy gets that...it isn't the market.   I never mentioned 16 mil.   I'm out at $8 mil...that's top ten.  Forget putting $16 mil in any discussion with me...that is out.  Nobody looks at Miles Sanders as anywhere close to that.

Playmaking in addition to rushing.

Pollard brings the speed to make plays. Zeke list that. Zeke a bruiser workhorse that can keep you on schedule. Pollard…can bust it. Sanders is even better than Pollard.

9 minutes ago, joemas6 said:

So if given the choice...money being the same... Sanders,Pollard or CMC... you would choose Sanders for the Eagles?  You would think he gives us better chance of winning?

I'm asking...not putting words in your mouth.  I assume you would prefer CMC.  The guy who wasn't as good of a rusher. The guy who was comes out when they look to run the ball exclusively. 

The reason you should prefer CMC over Sanders...is because what he offers in the passing game.  As a pure rusher...idk if he is better than Sanders.

 

McCaffrey can’t block either

And McCafftey is worth twice as much…maybe. Durability is his question mark

8 minutes ago, joemas6 said:

Right... that $7 mil can be used to sign other guys if you don't use it for Sanders.  Like you gotta spend to get a player... that $7 mil can be added to what you are going to have to spend and get a better player.  You can get the $8 mil LB instead of the $1 mil.  

I imagine $7 mil can be used to keep any one of the defensive guys.

Khizir White is arguably looking for 7 mil

Edwards should get much more

Just now, cunninghamtheman said:

Any position a guy making half as much as the top market value player at their position…I think Sanders is worthy of that.

You ever been to Avalon NJ?

There are a lot of homes there.   Of one particular mansion on the beach was valued at 30 million.. would you sat " the market for homes in Avalon is $30 million?

No.

So mentioning $16 million for Sanders is a waste.  He isn't getting that.i think someone will pay him half of that.   I just don't want it to be the Eagles.   I don't think he sets any tone.  I think easily has the best job of any " rusher" in the league...behind our OL next to a running threat QB.  

Easily can find someone to fill that role.  

8 minutes ago, joemas6 said:

Right... that $7 mil can be used to sign other guys if you don't use it for Sanders.  Like you gotta spend to get a player... that $7 mil can be added to what you are going to have to spend and get a better player.  You can get the $8 mil LB instead of the $1 mil.  

I imagine $7 mil can be used to keep any one of the defensive guys.

I just hear your argument as don’t sign any guys that aren’t too market value. Don’t agree. Having sone starters that are half as much as the top guys is also needed in the cap. Just like not every guy can be a first round pick. Need some guys from later rounds too. Just don’t have the money or draft ammo to get All Pros everywhere.

4 minutes ago, cunninghamtheman said:

He isn’t top RB. He’s worth half of that though.

Agree... that's why I'm using that number.   His agent should try to get a team to pay that...  shouldn't be here though 

Let me ask you... switch him with most 1st string RBs...  you think he would have success to where he would be worth $8 mil?    Do you think it would be hard for that other 1st string to put up same numbers?

10 minutes ago, joemas6 said:

And the bottom 3 you have to spend it one someone right?   So spend the difference between that and add what you would pay Sanders and you can keep one of those.    That's what I would prefer.  

I understand your point of view. Just keep the best of the best. But 7 mil and 17 mil is a big gap. Then you wish to draft a second round RB. I just am considering keeping the 7 mil starter and drafting a second rounder to replace a 17 mil guy.

Just now, cunninghamtheman said:

I just hear your argument as don’t sign any guys that aren’t too market value. Don’t agree. Having sone starters that are half as much as the top guys is also needed in the cap. Just like not every guy can be a first round pick. Need some guys from later rounds too. Just don’t have the money or draft ammo to get All Pros everywhere.

Again...because you pick and choose what you want to hear.

Listen to what I'm saying.   Sanders is easily replaceable.   Easily can find way more than 10 RBs to do his job.  It's not worth paying him...at that position....that $8 mil.

Nothing to do with anyone else..  you follow. Just one dimensional rusher Miles Sanders. 

11 minutes ago, joemas6 said:

And that $7 mil would help pay.

The question you need to ask....do I want Sanders and a pedestrian at the other spot.   Or do I want one of those guys and another RB.   I think RB much easier to find.  Especially only one you need to be good at rushing. 

I consider all options

1 minute ago, cunninghamtheman said:

I understand your point of view. Just keep the best of the best. But 7 mil and 17 mil is a big gap. Then you wish to draft a second round RB. I just am considering keeping the 7 mil starter and drafting a second rounder to replace a 17 mil guy.

Lol... so I ask again.   Who is more easy to replace... Sanders or any one of the 3 $17 mil guys...which I don't think al 3 will get that.