3 hours ago, joemas6 said:

I'll wager a " board dollar" that we don't pick 10th or 30th. 

That would be a good bet

3 hours ago, joemas6 said:

Btw, everything I'm seeing says Mayer crushed the combine.   Interviews and the gauntlet drill they said he didn't drop a ball.  

What was this " off day"    they said his size and speed are exact same as Hockenson....a 2 time pro bowler.

Just curious?  What was the poor performance you saw?

Mayer was never considered one of the elite athletes in this draft class, so his pedestrian testing results (4.70-second 40, 32 1/2-inch vertical, 9-foot-10 broad jump) were not a surprise. He weighed 249 pounds, which is average for the position and makes his testing numbers look even less impressive in comparison with his peers. Mayer did not show quick-twitch movement in drills, either, though he caught everything thrown his way, stayed low moving the blocking sled and showed quick feet getting around cones when he ran routes. He is going to be an excellent NFL player using those hands and strong route-running skills, but the combine is an event focused on athleticism, and his performance did not improve his draft stock.                    So this could actually be good for us,we could move back and still take him. Apparently they were looking for more receiving type "twitch" skills(which I can't say is an attribute you need at TE-you are the beast receiver-leave the twitch to the skinny guys)but as you said that's not our sole reason to get him. So this is NFL.com's opinion not mine. IMO the TE and WR cone drill are more important that the 40 times. He wasn't "athletic",yet caught every pass? Obviously they are looking at different things. He was "pedestrian". I am just the messenger. I still have him in the 12 -15 range

4 hours ago, joemas6 said:

If you look at the draft class from Barkley's year.   He was considered BPA at 1 or 2 right?   Wasn't it Mayfield then Barkley at 1 and 2 that year?  

How did that work out?   We look at it now, is Barkley really the 2nd best player for NFL level football in that draft?

People fall in love with RBs coming out of college.  Especially the ones with physical attributes.    Just doesn't translate to the NFL the same way.

Looking back at that Barkley draft.   I would imagine Josh Allen and Nelson end up going top 2 if it was redone.  Not sure how far Barkley and Mayfield would drop. Wouldn't be surprised if out of the top 10. 

 

I am just quoting Walter football,ask them.Players are ranked at the stage they are at AT THE MOMENT,Noone has a clue what they end up like rank wise in 2-3 years. You can only draft by what you know NOW, or you can "dream" about a ceiling that is not there. So ask Walter why he wrote this. Once again why are links assumed to be the messengers opinion? Is Bijan elite? At THIS MOMENT it appears he is. What he is 3 years from now is anyones guess. As far as Mayer, I saw a good solid TE. ELITE? Maybe,but I don't get to go to pro days nor the individual player workout sessions to find out,that's why we have a staff. As I said maybe he had an off day where he didn't "WOW" anyone. Just reporting they didn't see any "WOW"

4 hours ago, joemas6 said:

Btw, everything I'm seeing says Mayer crushed the combine.   Interviews and the gauntlet drill they said he didn't drop a ball.  

What was this " off day"    they said his size and speed are exact same as Hockenson....a 2 time pro bowler.

Just curious?  What was the poor performance you saw?

I merely post links and everyone assumes that is my position. I post them for whatever information you glean from it. I never said i agreed or disagreed with either link posted,why are you asking me questions you should be asking the writer? Ask the writer. When I post a link to a players scouting report,I will state that I like them,then you can go from there.When I posted the other links I merely said "It appears so and so doesn't think they are elite,or they are overrated" then you can read the writers take. Stop assuming it's MY take

1 hour ago, joemas6 said:

No...  it's not really going out on a limb with the Eagles.   When was the last time they drafted in their own original slot?   

Calling it would be something out of the ordinary.  

I showed a mock where I traded the 10 back 3 times actually- got more players .Traded with the wuss,Seattle and SF on my way to an A+ grade and picks I had left since I only did a 3 round mock

19 hours ago, GreenbleedinNC said:

https://www.nflmockdraftdatabase.com/user-mock-drafts/2023/user-mock-1237877   Here's a mock I did,trading back with the wuss,seattle and the 9ers. There are other later picks not listed. Draft grade was A+

Here was the mock.The trades were presented to me,not me presenting to them. It shows the trades I made .Only did a 3 round so got 3 additional later picks as you can see There are 5 you CAN see(players selected). and the 3 extra later picks. Now if you wanted Mayer with this 16 pick,I would be fine with that too,or a DT in place of Gibbs,that's fine

56 minutes ago, GreenbleedinNC said:

Mayer was never considered one of the elite athletes in this draft class, so his pedestrian testing results (4.70-second 40, 32 1/2-inch vertical, 9-foot-10 broad jump) were not a surprise. He weighed 249 pounds, which is average for the position and makes his testing numbers look even less impressive in comparison with his peers. Mayer did not show quick-twitch movement in drills, either, though he caught everything thrown his way, stayed low moving the blocking sled and showed quick feet getting around cones when he ran routes. He is going to be an excellent NFL player using those hands and strong route-running skills, but the combine is an event focused on athleticism, and his performance did not improve his draft stock.                    So this could actually be good for us,we could move back and still take him. Apparently they were looking for more receiving type "twitch" skills(which I can't say is an attribute you need at TE-you are the beast receiver-leave the twitch to the skinny guys)but as you said that's not our sole reason to get him. So this is NFL.com's opinion not mine. IMO the TE and WR cone drill are more important that the 40 times. He wasn't "athletic",yet caught every pass? Obviously they are looking at different things. He was "pedestrian". I am just the messenger. I still have him in the 12 -15 range

Pedestrian for combine ....like Pedestrian for Mike Mamula body building stuff not football.

His draft stock really couldn't go higher could it?    

He caught everything and apparently was excellent in the interviews.    As you said, the numbers for body building stuff was as expected.    Expected isn't bad is it?

43 minutes ago, GreenbleedinNC said:

I merely post links and everyone assumes that is my position. I post them for whatever information you glean from it. I never said i agreed or disagreed with either link posted,why are you asking me questions you should be asking the writer? Ask the writer. When I post a link to a players scouting report,I will state that I like them,then you can go from there.When I posted the other links I merely said "It appears so and so doesn't think they are elite,or they are overrated" then you can read the writers take. Stop assuming it's MY take

I was asking for the "links"  you provided one that basically said " as expected"   nothing said poor or bad.   Idk unless someone was all of a sudden supposed to run faster or jump higher for some reason?

Wow... is different than "bad" or " off day"    that is why I was asking.  You posted a link...but your message was different than the one you delivered.  Just saying.

The NFL has rescinded the $14,111 fine against Eagles defensive back C.J. Gardner-Johnson for a tackle during the fourth quarter of February’s Super Bowl, according to NFL Network’s Tom Pelissero

 

Dennard Wilson gone

14 minutes ago, joemas6 said:

Pedestrian for combine ....like Pedestrian for Mike Mamula body building stuff not football.

His draft stock really couldn't go higher could it?    

He caught everything and apparently was excellent in the interviews.    As you said, the numbers for body building stuff was as expected.    Expected isn't bad is it?

He didn't drop from 15 where I have him now if that's what you mean

12 minutes ago, joemas6 said:

I was asking for the "links"  you provided one that basically said " as expected"   nothing said poor or bad.   Idk unless someone was all of a sudden supposed to run faster or jump higher for some reason?

Wow... is different than "bad" or " off day"    that is why I was asking.  You posted a link...but your message was different than the one you delivered.  Just saying.

I was saying "they" didn't see him as "elite". IDK if he is elite or not he has to play in the NFL to get that banner from me. he is the best TE in this draft. my 2 isn't that far back and #3 TE isn't back all that far from 2. Depends what you want,so first you need to decide if we want a TE as the most impactful player or someone else. Next you have to position yourself to get him and this would assume you know exactly where you need to go(up or down) to get him. In the mock I posted I traded the the wuss for the 10 pick,which they very well could take Mayer right there. So you need to decide which position has the most value to you,is it TE or edge,or another position? Some nice CB's early on,but would Howie pull that trigger? I even added a LB in my mock and I'm not real confident with those. Mayer was elite in COLLEGE. Is he elite like Gronk? We don;t know. IDK that we'd expect "elite" anyway,just a good solid player and there are 3 of those at TE(as I see it). I assume "elite" for them means "he's our only TE" which really isn't what we'd be seeking anyhow

BTW the article/report also says he was never considered elite. By whom wasn't he considered? However if he is not elite there are better picks at 10 in my view. every draft pick that is "elite" in college still has to transition and alot can't. Do I think Mayer can help us? Absolutely. Is there an edge guy that would help more? This is why we have a pro staff to make those determinations. Elite to me may not be elite to you. So it's all just a hodge podge of opinions from more Ham's wanting to "call it"

Some very good O line prospects I just watched. Patterson(who was supposed to be in the last draft) from Notre Dame looked good,but he is a C. Maybe another RG? We could use a solid one there if Jurgens is the new C heir. I'm going to really pick through watching the RB's because I believe we will take one at some point

I feel,since we know there will be comp picks next year of some kind we'll have, that we could trade away a next years pick or 2 for additional picks this draft. Could we possibly pull another Howie and trade the 10 for an additional 1 next year and some added picks in this draft??? IDK what Howie has on his mind

Seems to me TB at 19 would be frothing at the mouth for the 10 pick and arguably the last QB spot. hard to know with so many pro QB's going to FA

Anyway back later with RB reviews

47 minutes ago, GreenbleedinNC said:

He didn't drop from 15 where I have him now if that's what you mean

Yeah... nothing changed...so not " bad" or " off" 

48 minutes ago, GreenbleedinNC said:

Seems to me TB at 19 would be frothing at the mouth for the 10 pick and arguably the last QB spot. hard to know with so many pro QB's going to FA

I love the scenario... Tampa trade at 19...that gets us a 1st rounder next year....  then we trade back up a few spots to get our target.   

Then I would love to trade down a few spots from 30...and pick up another day 2 asset or more.   

The other thing that I think gets missed.  With the comp picks and extra 2024 picks in general.  That allows us to make a trade or two from August to the deadline.  Would love to get another CGJ type player going on last year of rookie deal...then we have control of the next move if we want him long term. 

Would be fun rooting against Tampa or another team again due to the pick...lol.  Already rooting for Saints pick to be high 2nd.

1 hour ago, joemas6 said:

Yeah... nothing changed...so not " bad" or " off" 

It's a pretty good TE class all things considered. Just questioning if we need to spend a 1 pick for the same result

The RB combine is "incomplete" as it is every year. The combine really favors the scat backs because it's all speed and agility. There are no drills to show the average person about "leg drive" which for me is a big facet of selecting a RB. You just can't assume the bigger guys have the better leg drive. There are no "hitting" sled tests just dodging. It's a sad display. So I will have to(as usual) resort to vids. All guys guys that moved up are scat backs(due to the above) All 3 I like are smaller backs ala Sproles. Seems RB's are getting smaller and quicker with more emphasis on the passing game. The RB's a i like are at various draft points,so the off season will go a oong way towards pointing me to a RB we should take. I we picked up a guy like Fournette I would be ok adding one of these scat backs The 230 lb RB's are disappearing for the 210 pounders who can run patterns

52 minutes ago, joemas6 said:

I love the scenario... Tampa trade at 19...that gets us a 1st rounder next year....  then we trade back up a few spots to get our target.   

Then I would love to trade down a few spots from 30...and pick up another day 2 asset or more.   

The other thing that I think gets missed.  With the comp picks and extra 2024 picks in general.  That allows us to make a trade or two from August to the deadline.  Would love to get another CGJ type player going on last year of rookie deal...then we have control of the next move if we want him long term. 

Would be fun rooting against Tampa or another team again due to the pick...lol.  Already rooting for Saints pick to be high 2nd.

in my mock I did a trade back with the wuss at 15,maybe we do that then trade back again to 19,although I doubt TB would want the 15 pick.If it was me I would go directly to the TB 19 trade. I like that trade also because you are counting on a rook QB struggling year 1,which most do,so you'll get a nice pick out of that. And taking Fournette would also hurt them as far as being a team to threaten with a good record.. yeah trade back to 19,then use a few mid level picks from next year to move wherever, because basically those will be replaced with comp picks anyway

So,I saw Gibbs,he's a good back(scat). Alot have us taking him at 30.I could see it,yet I feel it unneccessary. Lots of nice scat backs later. I have not lookd at any boards,but here's the RB's I want to check out. I was highly impressed with Deuce Vaughn. Super quick reactions/twitch/jukes whatever label you want t put on that. He was patient but shot through the holes at the right times. That's a quality I look for. others I will review vids on are  Mitchell,Prince and Spears. For the bigger backs that cab be had later I like Ibrahim from Minnesota and while I don't really expect to see scat backs moving guys around,I would like to see how they hit anyhow. Don't want a back that falls over when you touch him. One of the scat backs is only 5'7 179. But he made it this far and Sproles was always told he couldn't cut it either 

13 minutes ago, GreenbleedinNC said:

It's a pretty good TE class all things considered. Just questioning if we need to spend a 1 pick form the same result

I think the idea is that every pick should be somewhat questioned. The reason being one guy can't fill multiple needs.   You have different people wanting different needs filled.

Some people look at positions... my comment a few days ago was that I realize we have so many needs on defense.   That I wouldn't be opposed o finishing the puzzle on offense with a top weapon added to the passing game.  With the main 3 locked up for a few years, drafting one now would lock in all 4.   With Hurts getting a new deal... that's very good foundation that can stay together and dominate.  

We can outscore teams and win that way while the defense gets rebuilt.   I think for 2023 might be the best chance for immediate success.   But I also like the stability long term. 

8 minutes ago, GreenbleedinNC said:

in my mock I did a trade back with the wuss at 15,maybe we do that then trade back again to 19,although I doubt TB would want the 15 pick.If it was me I would go directly to the TB 19 trade. I like that trade also because you are counting on a rook QB struggling year 1,which most do,so you'll get a nice pick out of that. And taking Fournette would also hurt them as far as being a team to threaten with a good record.. yeah trade back to 19,then use a few mid level picks from next year to move wherever, because basically those will be replaced with comp picks anyway

I'm going for the trade that gets us a 1st next year.