Oops... I also forgot to add Reagor to that 2nd group.

1 hour ago, GreenbleedinNC said:

I'm getting you higher picks LOL Adding a 51 and a BU round 5 selection(maybe RB there????)

I see one pick ..51.  Vs getting round 1 next year and being in position to have two 1sts and two 2nds next year. 

Again... i think silly to count a 5th rounder as being something but the 7th not.   Both are long shots.

Let's put it another way... look at pick 51 from last year... would you rather have any players around that range from last year...or pick 10 now?

The extra trade value that pick 10 has should blow any one player around 51 away as far as significance.

2 hours ago, GreenbleedinNC said:

Nah,just alot of nice players in rounds 2 and 3 to be had. Deep classes at positions we need and I would like to give the new staff the most players we can get them. Not tunnel vision at all

Every year... not sure I've been on this board without this idea.

1 hour ago, joemas6 said:

So let me ask you.... why is the 5th round good for a backup...but the 7th isn't?

What's the success rate of round 5 vs 7 ?    To drop from 10 to 19...that's significant.

Look at our draft history...picks in top 12 vs later round 1.   I don't like it.  For me to give up that position pick 51 isn't enough.  Rather draft the stud at 10.

Lets do a recap ok?? It's 2021. We beat up some crap teams. Hurts played "ok",nothing spectacular and it really wasn't a banner year to know what we had at QB. How does Howie do a CYA? Well you find a good trade deal and hope they suck(which NO did). Now say Hurts pulled a Wentz and really sucked this year( remember back when we we all HOPING for 10 win and 1 post season win or did we forget that????) So if Hurts was awful and we needed to get a QB,how better than to have 2 round 1 picks to work with???? If we wanted to move up from 10 for our guy,we had the 30 pick to make that move.. as I SAID(once again),I would be fine doing either. Whether you like it or not,it's still a possible scenario. Only person that needs to like it is Howie. SO let's trade Hurts,we can take any QB we want and can start over with no QB salary bothering us. I mean we can talk about any scenario there is. No matter what you or  want,it what the Eagles want. SO rolling that 1 pick over is fine,BUT the reason we did it,was in the event we needed a QB THIS YEAR

I guess everyone saw the Giants are paying Jones about 50 million per year.

Where does that put Hurts? 60 million?

1 hour ago, joemas6 said:

So in reality you traded a 7th for a 5th. Is that really impactful?    Then get pick 51.  

That's nice.  For me though, to drop from 10 to 19... I want more.  That's a significant drop to where pick 51 isn't enough for me.   I want the 1st rounder next year.   That's a significant value.  Especially thinking Tampa goes rookie QB. 

If we drop to 19...I liked the multiple trades where we kept moving back a couple of spots.  One move back to 19... to me it's significant drop.  Pick 51 isn't enough compensation IMO.

We've picked bad layers first before? No round 2 guys were good picks? We can go all day doing this. I'm sorry I brought this up cause all you get on here is CRAP when you show a possible scenario,just like any opinion has to be wrong on here

2 hours ago, Bleedinggreen93 said:

No doubt have done better but mistakes in the draft start to hurt us more when we can’t go out and spend in FA to cover them up. 

Well we had no clue how Hurts was going to do. We were hoping for 10 wins and ONE post season win. When Howie saw his shot at a ring,he took it. Adding Bradberry,Suh and Jackson. We came up 4 points short

2 hours ago, Bleedinggreen93 said:

Gibbs had that game breaking speed can’t go wrong with a guy like that ran a what 4.36 I think 

I like Deuce Vaugh. He's a little effer reminds me of Sproles. Could be used alot of ways. Both are scat backs. I'm ok if we took Gibbs at 30 and added a FA. Should be some available(even cheaper than Fournette). KC seemed to lose interest in Hellaire,so maybe with few picks we do 2 FA cheapies to tide us into the next draft where we'll have a boatload of picks. IDK too many scenarios right now

1 hour ago, joemas6 said:

So in reality you traded a 7th for a 5th. Is that really impactful?    Then get pick 51.  

That's nice.  For me though, to drop from 10 to 19... I want more.  That's a significant drop to where pick 51 isn't enough for me.   I want the 1st rounder next year.   That's a significant value.  Especially thinking Tampa goes rookie QB. 

If we drop to 19...I liked the multiple trades where we kept moving back a couple of spots.  One move back to 19... to me it's significant drop.  Pick 51 isn't enough compensation IMO.

If you can do that more power to you but IDK if TB is that desperate. They could be by draft day,no way to know

1 hour ago, joemas6 said:

So in reality you traded a 7th for a 5th. Is that really impactful?    Then get pick 51.  

That's nice.  For me though, to drop from 10 to 19... I want more.  That's a significant drop to where pick 51 isn't enough for me.   I want the 1st rounder next year.   That's a significant value.  Especially thinking Tampa goes rookie QB. 

If we drop to 19...I liked the multiple trades where we kept moving back a couple of spots.  One move back to 19... to me it's significant drop.  Pick 51 isn't enough compensation IMO.

Well to be sure(as I said) it's a "fair trade" based on the trade chart. I mean in essence it's an equal trade and there are a significant Amount of good players at 51. basically we could use 5 picks,but only have 4, so adding pick 51 is the 5th pick to fill the 5th hole. Of course it's all a crap shoot,but at least you have the chance. Edge,DT,RT,RB,CB are the 5 and we have 4 picks,but those 5 would all be rounds 1/2 not 4,5,6 BU camp picks. So whatever,like i said I'm sorry I thought about it LMAO. But that trade is "even" I'm sure we could squeeze another/more picks out of them if they are indeed desperate,which we DONT know yet. maybe Arod goes to TB,that kills that trade right now

1 hour ago, joemas6 said:

why is the 5th round good for a backup...but the 7th isn't?

You have a better statistical chance of getting a better player in 5 than 7(as a rule of thumb) Of course there are no guarantees,but round 7's usually end up on your PS or let go. With a 7 pick I might even take a P lol At least you have a chance for that guy to start. Pretty good value(I like the kid from Mich st). So IDK if I offered you a FREE 5th or a 7th which one would you choose to take the 5 of the 7??? Seems like an easy answer to me 

1 hour ago, joemas6 said:

To drop from 10 to 19...that's significant

2 picks in round 2 as opposed to 1 is also significant. I was just showing what an even up trade could look like

2 hours ago, Bleedinggreen93 said:

No doubt have done better but mistakes in the draft start to hurt us more when we can’t go out and spend in FA to cover them up. 

We certainly had a string of crap drafts LOL. I'm hoping for a good 3rd one in a row

1 hour ago, joemas6 said:

Oops... I also forgot to add Reagor to that 2nd group.

Wasn't that the draft we took Hurts in round 2? Hurts was pick 53,yet pick 51 can't be an impact????

18 hours ago, GreenbleedinNC said:

I'm interested to see if TB gets  a FA QB. If not, 10 could be the last shot at a decent QB in the draft. Trade back to 19 then up for who we want.If 5 QB's go top 10 we'll be in great shape 

TB has to pay the piper. They went for it with Brady. Was worth it for them. Now gotta straighten things out so they can start over. Really be good for them to just clear cap and suck to get good future draft picks.

1 hour ago, joemas6 said:

Every year... not sure I've been on this board without this idea.

No,not every year. For example this is a really weak class at safety. Very good QB and linemen draft very deep. Lots of good CB's all through round 3 which is not the case usually. Just my observations,take them or leave them doesn't matter to me. You could say most every draft has deep WR's because they have been cranking those out with consistency lately. IDK about linebackers,I am not that adept at those

34 minutes ago, Asg 15 said:

I guess everyone saw the Giants are paying Jones about 50 million per year.

Where does that put Hurts? 60 million?

Ugh. Trade Hurts to the Colts for the 4 pick(and many more goodies) and we can have any QB we want .(OH I opened another can of worms making this statement and I'm sure I won;t hear the end of this one 🤣) But why not we're not going to the SB next year(see Justin Fields) and we have WR's already locked in for 3 more years. Get a new QB on a 5 year cheap rook deal lol

At this point about every scenario under the sun is possible

18 hours ago, GreenbleedinNC said:

I was reading alot of sites. Alot have a 'team needs" section. Most had edge in red as our biggest need,rightly or wrongly,just saying what I have seen

Yet we have two starting Edge starters in Reddick and Sweat. No LBs. No S. Only one starting outside aged CB. No starting RG(though a case could be made for our backup stepping up). No starting Rb. Guess it just also comes down to labels. What labels will be used for Desai D? What does he plan on running? I suspect it partly comes down to what personnel he’s afforded.

Daniel Jones gets 40 mil per season plus  35 mil in incentives. This contract makes things tough for us with Hurts in some ways. I just don’t see how Hurts doesn’t get the biggest pay in the league. 

7 hours ago, Bleedinggreen93 said:

3rd round pick and the contract both those RBs demanded definitely shows a team that is more interested to invest at RB then we usually are 

So many things going on there. You could read the tea leaves many different ways. A third being as high as Rosie will invest at Rb…since it was an elite guy in McCaffrey. I believed we really wanted Burns from them. So we were hoping to force the new regimes hands into trading us Burns to get any real return to remake their team fir the new guy. Also depends on if we understood Niners we’re going to get McCaffrey. Seems like No Mas and myself have really been circling Niners as our main competition in the NFC. Don’t think we’re alone at all in this. So we were possibly giving the Panthers a bit of leverage to spike the price on the Niners. Plenty of ways to look at that situation depending on what all you believe was going on behind the scenes. To me it feels like all of those were happening. But I can’t just flat ignore your simple and obvious point either. Contract was definitely a large factor that I’d be surprised for us to actually take on.

6 hours ago, GreenbleedinNC said:

https://bleacherreport.com/articles/10067905-bijan-robinson-to-eagles-jalen-carter-out-of-top-10-in-mcshays-2023-nfl-mock-draft    I'm just the messenger

This is just such an interesting take. First wow on Nolan Smith. I was hoping for him at the end of the first. Looks like that   ship long sailed by now I have to just accept. Bummer! Passing up Carter for a RB would just absolutely shock me. I can’t possibly see that occurring. That would be so crazy a move for Rosie. I’d say completely stupid as well. Carter is the top or what I had as the number two overall draft prospect. Anderson I had as 1A before this past season even started. This situation might have gifted us Carter in our laps. Getting Carter at 10 would completely swing my thoughts about the Saints trade. Just being flat out honest. 

46 minutes ago, cunninghamtheman said:

TB has to pay the piper. They went for it with Brady. Was worth it for them. Now gotta straighten things out so they can start over. Really be good for them to just clear cap and suck to get good future draft picks.

Isn't TB like 50 million OVER the cap?

5 hours ago, GreenbleedinNC said:

https://www.nbcsports.com/philadelphia/eagles/2023-nfl-draft-why-nfl-insider-thinks-eagles-wont-pick-cb  I also believe it will be an edge and I also agree with the order he has them. I believe 4 QB's go by our pick NP. If there is a QB left at 10,I think TB would sell their soul(pick 19) to get him,if they didn't get a FA QB. Since TB is basically starting over,I'm sure they would want a young QB and not another Brady re-run. I could even possibly imagine 5 Q's in the top 10

I think Tampa has accepted its over. Paying the piper time. So they actually want to tank and stink. Now getting a rook QB wouldn’t stop that. But giving up future picks for them would be valuable. Expected to be high picks. 
  I’m in the camp of seeing CB at 10 being the best option. These top CB have really been going high lately. Seems like the big trades for the top two CB in these past few drafts. Teams are attacking the draft to get those guys. Looks like we are right in position to get one at 10. So I’ve been leaning CB now for awhile. Looks like there are three CB in contention. Maybe one comes off the board before us. You could make a big picture off-season plan based on being able to draft a top CB at 10 to make things easier….because it will be available.

30 minutes ago, cunninghamtheman said:

Yet we have two starting Edge starters in Reddick and Sweat. No LBs. No S. Only one starting outside aged CB. No starting RG(though a case could be made for our backup stepping up). No starting Rb. Guess it just also comes down to labels. What labels will be used for Desai D? What does he plan on running? I suspect it partly comes down to what personnel he’s afforded.

Never said we didn't have needs elsewhere the sites show edge as the BIG need not the only 1. Go complain to the sites