5 hours ago, GreenbleedinNC said:

Here is a trade I would make. Of course they need to agree.(Per the trade chart). Trade with TB. Our 10(and I will toss in a 7th as incentive) for their 19, 51(round 2) and 156(round 5). It's a flat even trade without the 7th,but I will offer one to get them to bite. That gives them a shot at a decent QB at 10. It still provides us with plenty of ammo to get guys we need. TB can spend their loot on other players other than at QB. Even if we needed to move up a bit from 19 we can by offering a pick from the '24 draft(since we will have comp picks in that one. I really love this trade and hope Howie can make it happen.That would give us 19,30,51,62,94,151 and 1 7th pick

I don’t like this trade. Take the top corner. 19 is just getting into much sketchier territory with success rate. I love day two draft picks. Everybody here knows that. But a fifth doesn’t mean much to me. Seems like the fifth round and undrafted hasn’t been much of a difference.

  Just giving my two cents here. I appreciate you throwing out ideas like this though. 

10 minutes ago, cunninghamtheman said:

This is just such an interesting take. First wow on Nolan Smith. I was hoping for him at the end of the first. Looks like that   ship long sailed by now I have to just accept. Bummer! Passing up Carter for a RB would just absolutely shock me. I can’t possibly see that occurring. That would be so crazy a move for Rosie. I’d say completely stupid as well. Carter is the top or what I had as the number two overall draft prospect. Anderson I had as 1A before this past season even started. This situation might have gifted us Carter in our laps. Getting Carter at 10 would completely swing my thoughts about the Saints trade. Just being flat out honest. 

Carter can KMMFA. No class punk kid. Kind of reflects on your character. If we select Carter I will cease being an Eagles fan(and you can take that to the bankl). Not only crap character,you have no clue if he will be locked up or not nor if you will have future issues. Excellent choice(NOT). Let some other team take that risk

5 minutes ago, cunninghamtheman said:

I think Tampa has accepted its over. Paying the piper time. So they actually want to tank and stink. Now getting a rook QB wouldn’t stop that. But giving up future picks for them would be valuable. Expected to be high picks. 
  I’m in the camp of seeing CB at 10 being the best option. These top CB have really been going high lately. Seems like the big trades for the top two CB in these past few drafts. Teams are attacking the draft to get those guys. Looks like we are right in position to get one at 10. So I’ve been leaning CB now for awhile. Looks like there are three CB in contention. Maybe one comes off the board before us. You could make a big picture off-season plan based on being able to draft a top CB at 10 to make things easier….because it will be available.

Good convince Howie to take a CB at 10 GL with that

4 minutes ago, cunninghamtheman said:

I don’t like this trade. Take the top corner. 19 is just getting into much sketchier territory with success rate. I love day two draft picks. Everybody here knows that. But a fifth doesn’t mean much to me. Seems like the fifth round and undrafted hasn’t been much of a difference.

  Just giving my two cents here. I appreciate you throwing out ideas like this though. 

So you love round 2 picks but don't want 2 instead of 1???(still have 2 round 1's also). Anyway, whatever, I'm sorry I mentioned it

5 hours ago, joemas6 said:

I'd prefer to get a 2024 1st rounder

Thing is Tampa knows that 2024 first is valuable. I believe they are playing towards that direction actually. I think Tampa is realistic and expects to stink. Giving them an excellent 2024 first rounder. Like top five. Don’t think they can even achieve not being top ten almost anything they do. They probably deliberately plan on tanking for number one even. If I was them…that would be my logic. 

If you want Carter,maybe we can pick up Kaep as QB 2 while we're at it

5 hours ago, joemas6 said:

Whoa....this sounds like Ham.   Pick 52 speeds up the rebuild as compared to possibly getting a top 10pick in next years draft?   

It's funny, you just flipped the Saints trade into more multiple picks... which is exactly what I'm suggesting again.  

Lol... you are getting the fever again... the one you get every year just with tunnel vision about the current draft.  Lol.

Not me at all. 

No word on Hurts deal(we also have him another year LOL). So kind of interesting no deal has been struck yet. Wonder what they are thinking 

5 hours ago, joemas6 said:

You want more picks in the moment every year after you do all the mocks and invest the time.   Trying to fill all the needs in one draft.   

That's the approach the Saints took last year and why we were able to fleece them.  

There is more to building a roster than the current year's draft.

There is good and bad in that though. At some point you need to complete the championship puzzle. But I don’t see us being in that position for 2023. 2022…yes we needed to get all the pieces together. Was crucial. We fell just short. 2023 whole different  story now.

4 hours ago, Bleedinggreen93 said:

Going to need high picks and future picks won’t be able to spend as heavily in FA.

For all the good Howie has done as a GM being able to consistently draft good players hasn’t been one of them and it going to be huge moving forward after we pay Hurts 

Can’t spend anything significant   to outside FA in fact.

4 hours ago, Bleedinggreen93 said:

With the way we are built wouldn’t shock me if we go high at a RB if we really like them. Again looking to invest a 3rd rounder plus the big contract for a RB shows that. 
 

Still think we would rather get a DL high but if one isn’t available have to go to the next best option 

See I can agree with this. But think Rosie going high on a RB was the Sanders move. Not a early first rounder. 

4 hours ago, GreenbleedinNC said:

Then Bijan is your pick at 10. he will be right there. With the run at QB should be NP getting an edge at 10. Wilson/Murphy,one of those should be there

Wilson would be an incredible get. Thought he climbed up to the top of the board. Took Carter spot I had believed now. Murphy has been looking to be at 15 or later from what I’m seeing. Of course, who really knows. Just what I was thinking was going on.

3 hours ago, Bleedinggreen93 said:

No doubt have done better but mistakes in the draft start to hurt us more when we can’t go out and spend in FA to cover them up. 

I lean toward agreeing with both of you about doing better. But haven’t gotten a return on the class yet. Jurgens and Dean I like. But haven’t done anything. Davis looked pretty good. Can’t go ballistic on his contribution so far yet though. Davis was a positional and scheme pick for Gannon also. Calacatarra didn’t deliver as much as I’d hoped for. Blankenship was a good find undrafted.

30 minutes ago, cunninghamtheman said:

I think Tampa has accepted its over. Paying the piper time. So they actually want to tank and stink. Now getting a rook QB wouldn’t stop that. But giving up future picks for them would be valuable. Expected to be high picks. 
  I’m in the camp of seeing CB at 10 being the best option. These top CB have really been going high lately. Seems like the big trades for the top two CB in these past few drafts. Teams are attacking the draft to get those guys. Looks like we are right in position to get one at 10. So I’ve been leaning CB now for awhile. Looks like there are three CB in contention. Maybe one comes off the board before us. You could make a big picture off-season plan based on being able to draft a top CB at 10 to make things easier….because it will be available.

Yeah definitely need to rebuild now

4 hours ago, Bleedinggreen93 said:

Gibbs had that game breaking speed can’t go wrong with a guy like that ran a what 4.36 I think 

I was under the impression Siri coveted a more physical back to keep things on track on down and distance. Wasn’t a fan of Sanders. Wanted him to bulk up and become more one cut runner. If Gibbs is that elite playmaker though…

9 minutes ago, cunninghamtheman said:

Wilson would be an incredible get. Thought he climbed up to the top of the board. Took Carter spot I had believed now. Murphy has been looking to be at 15 or later from what I’m seeing. Of course, who really knows. Just what I was thinking was going on.

Wilson is a great fit.

3 hours ago, joemas6 said:

So in reality you traded a 7th for a 5th. Is that really impactful?    Then get pick 51.  

That's nice.  For me though, to drop from 10 to 19... I want more.  That's a significant drop to where pick 51 isn't enough for me.   I want the 1st rounder next year.   That's a significant value.  Especially thinking Tampa goes rookie QB. 

If we drop to 19...I liked the multiple trades where we kept moving back a couple of spots.  One move back to 19... to me it's significant drop.  Pick 51 isn't enough compensation IMO.

Agree here. I want that big time player. Hard to get those early blue chip draft pick guys…especially if you possess a Franchise QB.

1 hour ago, GreenbleedinNC said:

Lets do a recap ok?? It's 2021. We beat up some crap teams. Hurts played "ok",nothing spectacular and it really wasn't a banner year to know what we had at QB. How does Howie do a CYA? Well you find a good trade deal and hope they suck(which NO did). Now say Hurts pulled a Wentz and really sucked this year( remember back when we we all HOPING for 10 win and 1 post season win or did we forget that????) So if Hurts was awful and we needed to get a QB,how better than to have 2 round 1 picks to work with???? If we wanted to move up from 10 for our guy,we had the 30 pick to make that move.. as I SAID(once again),I would be fine doing either. Whether you like it or not,it's still a possible scenario. Only person that needs to like it is Howie. SO let's trade Hurts,we can take any QB we want and can start over with no QB salary bothering us. I mean we can talk about any scenario there is. No matter what you or  want,it what the Eagles want. SO rolling that 1 pick over is fine,BUT the reason we did it,was in the event we needed a QB THIS YEAR

I haven’t been a part of any of these scenarios. Not what I thought at all here. Just a bunch of bad logic and flawed thinking as far as I’ve been concerned.

1 hour ago, Asg 15 said:

I guess everyone saw the Giants are paying Jones about 50 million per year.

Where does that put Hurts? 60 million?

40 million plus incentives. Makes things tough. Why would Hurts even sign a contract really? Numbers are obviously ballooning. Had to be the largest pay in the league. That’s just obvious at this point. It’s so crazy….but if Hurts accepts the highest pay by only a little bit over ARod….he’s giving us a team friendly deal.

I seriously believe this. If Hurts signs long term for 53 mil a season. He’s getting the highest salary in the league….yet giving us a team friendly deal. Making it so we can build a team around him to contend. On the surface sound ludicrous. Like I’m not making any sense. How can you get paid the most but be a team friendly contract? I believe it. The prices are skyrocketing quick.

These other QBs are going to blow ARod’s number away.

But if I’m your agent why would I get you to even take 53 mil? Only against catastrophe and injury concern. Super safe approach for sure…just taking that contract to insure against the worst.

If Daniel Jones us 40 plus incentives…I just don’t know what MVP gets?

Jones isn’t even a lock franchise QB in most peoples eyes. 

Teams just getting crazier and needier for that top QB. Niners gave up the farm for Lance. A guy they knew wouldn’t start year one. Was admitted as developmental.