7 hours ago, UK_EaglesFan89 said:

Exactly so keep him there. Or play him at RT if we absolutely have to. I'm not down with JP taking snaps from Mailata at LT at all. 

I'm down withthe best combo of 5 OL protecting my QB.   I personally don;t think Mailata is the LT of the future.  I would like to see him develop at both T spots.  He might be the RT of the future though, where he can run block more.   It does seem the issue comes down to Pryor... the idea to get him out of the lineup if possible.   With that said.... If your choice comes down to playing the combo of Peters and Mailata together.... it seems obvious to move Mailata over to RT.  IDK, at least i does to me.   Lane comes back, but really back not the bs of the last couple weeks... then Peters to G is possible, but that's another decision.  For the moment, get the best 5 in there, if Mailata gets reps at RT, even better.  

7 hours ago, UK_EaglesFan89 said:

Have you seen their injury list? They had more key players out that week than we did. 

So our defense is susceptible to teams who start drives in our half of the field? But it's fine if they start in their own half? So that makes it OK then?

And you did counter yourself because one of your points wasn't about how we aren't giving up a lot of yards. Hard to give up lots of yards when their offense is starting in our half though. That helps the yards allowed stat.

You really don't have to twist it with stats.... in the Washington game.   Washington was brutal absolutely brutal... then turnovers on our side, and the momentum changed.  But they could have played for 8 hours.... if we punted every time, could have been a shut out if they had to work to score,  I'm with you on the other games though.    But it does snowball when your offense can;t protect the QB and has to come off the field ASAP.   For Pittsburgh, I can't really gauge the defense outside the bubble screen and the WR hand off... Claypool killed us there. I don't think our D is good, how bad it is, I'm not sure.  But I will say it depends on our DL, always comes back to that with Schwartz.  

9 hours ago, Bleedinggreen93 said:

Lmao so our entire OL basically isn’t key injuries???? WRs aren’t key injuries???? Wentz was throwing to guys he never played with or had extremely limited snaps 

You're telling me Desean and Alshon are key injuries? They are essentially strangers to wentz at this point. Desean has only really played 1 game. Jeffery hasn't played for a year and in the last 3 years hasn't played a lot with Wentz. 

The OL, so you are sold on Dillard are you? JP was playing at a good level before his injury was he? Yeah the OL injuries are bad I'm not arguing that but just look at who is out for SF.

8 hours ago, jsb235 said:

On an unrelated note, Nate Gerry didn't practice today! I hate cheering for injuries, but in this case I will make an exception.

That's an injury worth celebrating. Its a relief if he misses the game. 

2 hours ago, joemas6 said:

I'm down withthe best combo of 5 OL protecting my QB.   I personally don;t think Mailata is the LT of the future.  I would like to see him develop at both T spots.  He might be the RT of the future though, where he can run block more.   It does seem the issue comes down to Pryor... the idea to get him out of the lineup if possible.   With that said.... If your choice comes down to playing the combo of Peters and Mailata together.... it seems obvious to move Mailata over to RT.  IDK, at least i does to me.   Lane comes back, but really back not the bs of the last couple weeks... then Peters to G is possible, but that's another decision.  For the moment, get the best 5 in there, if Mailata gets reps at RT, even better.  

I don't think Peters is a better option than Mailata at this point though. In fact based on how Peters was playing before injury he isn't the better option. 

And ok say Mailata moves to RT and that's his future spot. He's the back up then? Because Lane shouldn't be moved across to LT. 

30 minutes ago, UK_EaglesFan89 said:

You're telling me Desean and Alshon are key injuries? They are essentially strangers to wentz at this point. Desean has only really played 1 game. Jeffery hasn't played for a year and in the last 3 years hasn't played a lot with Wentz. 

The OL, so you are sold on Dillard are you? JP was playing at a good level before his injury was he? Yeah the OL injuries are bad I'm not arguing that but just look at who is out for SF.

I had this discussion with a fiend of mine who is a huge Broncos fan.   My point was you have to look at more than which player is better.  It's how the team functions.  It's why i am with you with Jimmy G being big.  the guy they put in afterwards was brutal.   You can look at just which player is better.... but to me, when you lose the starter, then you lose the backup .... which we were down to OL # 13 so far this year.... Dillard, Brooks... never played... Peters, Semaulo, Kelce, Herbig, Lane, Pryor, Mailata, Driscoll, Brown, Toth and Opeta.    It's different than just saying, oh the other team lost 2 stud OL.    When you get decimated at a position, its different than just putting in a 2nd string, regardless if you lose an All Pro.  Yes Alshon and Desean are big injuries... same with Reagor.  They are becoming less important now as these young WRs are getting playing time.... but when your guys don't practice much with the first team, the QB.. and even pull a guy off the street etc.   Yeah, that's a huge deal.     There is a reason these guys practice and put in 10 hours a day together.  Camps, OTAs...etc.  Otherwise, why would they do it?  

This is where I think stuff gets missed about our QB.  2017... the weapons were solid ... but they acquired everyone early and had all offseason togethe to work and they stayed healthy... Wentz working with that group, results were that we were putting up huge points consistently and he was MVP favorite.  Since then, guys in and out of the lineup, but you notice he trends better as the lineup stabilizes... it's not coincidence.   The work is important away from actually playing during the game.  It's why I laugh when people want Mailata to carry the ball, the stud rugby player didn't last in the league when he was the returner or whatever with the ball in his hands.  It's a different game.  You need time to learn the sport, the positions etc.  

So as far as injuries.... I feel bad for SF... feel bad for Dallas, but neither gets a pass because we have easily the same or worse when you look at how it has effected everything ... talent, experience, chemistry ... all of it, not just losing better 1st stringers.  

 

38 minutes ago, UK_EaglesFan89 said:

I don't think Peters is a better option than Mailata at this point though. In fact based on how Peters was playing before injury he isn't the better option. 

And ok say Mailata moves to RT and that's his future spot. He's the back up then? Because Lane shouldn't be moved across to LT. 

OK... which is better.... Mailata at LT with Pryor at RT   or Peters at LT with Mailata at RT?     I like the second one.  Personally I feel Mailata will eventually be the RT after Lane leaves.  He can use his ability to run block more on that side.  Ball carriers are usually right handed and feel more comfortable running that side.   I think ideally Dillard wins the LT spot, but he would have to beat out Mailata.  I'm good letting it play out.  It's better if it happens that way, then we have a swing tackle in Mailata, that will eventually take over RT for Lane.  If Dillard fails, then Mailata can hold down the LT spot.   But I'm not putting Peters at RT, he can play LT in his sleep, if he struggles a little, it won't be any worse than Mailata has.  We try it this way and see what happens.  The most important thing is the idea that Mailata stays in the game.  If it was straight up Peters for Mailata, then yeah, don't do it.  But it's more Peters for Pryor... and just keeping the old guy in a familiar spot and letting the young kid expand his learning curve on the other side.  Which I thought he played decent at times during some preseason games. So we'll see. 

Also... Lawrence lines up a lot vs the RT ... if you like Mailata and think he is better, why not give him a harder test this week?  To be honest, Lawrence vs Peters with Peters playing RT, that scares me more than Mailata on that side.  If I had to choose Peters, Pryor or Mailata to play RT vs Lawrence... I would try Mailata first all day long.   Lawrence coming over to the other side vs Peters playin his normal LT... doesn't scare me as much.   

32 minutes ago, joemas6 said:

OK... which is better.... Mailata at LT with Pryor at RT   or Peters at LT with Mailata at RT?   

To be honest... I don't think there's much in it. I think Mailata is a better option at LT than JP now. I wouldn't take snaps away from him at LT I really wouldn't. This team needs to look to the future and LT is a more immediate need than RT.

3 hours ago, UK_EaglesFan89 said:

To be honest... I don't think there's much in it. I think Mailata is a better option at LT than JP now. I wouldn't take snaps away from him at LT I really wouldn't. This team needs to look to the future and LT is a more immediate need than RT.

Mailata has shown that he can play both sides, so I don't think it's a big deal to have him switch. As long as he is out there, he is getting valuable reps.

My bigger concern is that Peters should be getting reps at RG, since that is probably the position where we will need him to play later in the season. But with respect to the Dallas game, having Mailata and Peters at T is probably a lot better than having Pryor out there, since DE is really the only position on the Dallas defense that has the potential to impact the outcome of the game for them. So it makes sense short term to do what they are doing, and it might keep Lane from trying to play through an injury.

12 hours ago, joemas6 said:

I had this discussion with a fiend of mine who is a huge Broncos fan.   My point was you have to look at more than which player is better.  It's how the team functions.  It's why i am with you with Jimmy G being big.  the guy they put in afterwards was brutal.   You can look at just which player is better.... but to me, when you lose the starter, then you lose the backup .... which we were down to OL # 13 so far this year.... Dillard, Brooks... never played... Peters, Semaulo, Kelce, Herbig, Lane, Pryor, Mailata, Driscoll, Brown, Toth and Opeta.    It's different than just saying, oh the other team lost 2 stud OL.    When you get decimated at a position, its different than just putting in a 2nd string, regardless if you lose an All Pro.  Yes Alshon and Desean are big injuries... same with Reagor.  They are becoming less important now as these young WRs are getting playing time.... but when your guys don't practice much with the first team, the QB.. and even pull a guy off the street etc.   Yeah, that's a huge deal.     There is a reason these guys practice and put in 10 hours a day together.  Camps, OTAs...etc.  Otherwise, why would they do it?  

This is where I think stuff gets missed about our QB.  2017... the weapons were solid ... but they acquired everyone early and had all offseason togethe to work and they stayed healthy... Wentz working with that group, results were that we were putting up huge points consistently and he was MVP favorite.  Since then, guys in and out of the lineup, but you notice he trends better as the lineup stabilizes... it's not coincidence.   The work is important away from actually playing during the game.  It's why I laugh when people want Mailata to carry the ball, the stud rugby player didn't last in the league when he was the returner or whatever with the ball in his hands.  It's a different game.  You need time to learn the sport, the positions etc.  

So as far as injuries.... I feel bad for SF... feel bad for Dallas, but neither gets a pass because we have easily the same or worse when you look at how it has effected everything ... talent, experience, chemistry ... all of it, not just losing better 1st stringers.  

 

Been preaching stablity forever.I disagree on one point.I would LOVE to see ONE play with Mailata as a tackle eligible and let him truck some people(like they do in Rugby).Not as a constant play in the playbook,but just ONCE.Did you see the vids of him tossing 300 pounders like they weighed 85 pounds? Brutal!!!

5 hours ago, joemas6 said:

OK... which is better.... Mailata at LT with Pryor at RT   or Peters at LT with Mailata at RT?     I like the second one.  Personally I feel Mailata will eventually be the RT after Lane leaves.  He can use his ability to run block more on that side.  Ball carriers are usually right handed and feel more comfortable running that side.   I think ideally Dillard wins the LT spot, but he would have to beat out Mailata.  I'm good letting it play out.  It's better if it happens that way, then we have a swing tackle in Mailata, that will eventually take over RT for Lane.  If Dillard fails, then Mailata can hold down the LT spot.   But I'm not putting Peters at RT, he can play LT in his sleep, if he struggles a little, it won't be any worse than Mailata has.  We try it this way and see what happens.  The most important thing is the idea that Mailata stays in the game.  If it was straight up Peters for Mailata, then yeah, don't do it.  But it's more Peters for Pryor... and just keeping the old guy in a familiar spot and letting the young kid expand his learning curve on the other side.  Which I thought he played decent at times during some preseason games. So we'll see. 

Also... Lawrence lines up a lot vs the RT ... if you like Mailata and think he is better, why not give him a harder test this week?  To be honest, Lawrence vs Peters with Peters playing RT, that scares me more than Mailata on that side.  If I had to choose Peters, Pryor or Mailata to play RT vs Lawrence... I would try Mailata first all day long.   Lawrence coming over to the other side vs Peters playin his normal LT... doesn't scare me as much.   

How about Mailata at LT and Peters at LG? We can move Mailata around,but not Dillard? Why because we drafted Dillard? Mailata-LT,Peters-LG,Lane-RT Dillard RG. I would at least try this combo when Dillard returns.Pryor at RG until Dillard comes back.At any rate we need to STOP moving the pieces around,find a combo and THATS IT!!! If there is a weakness,then Wentz will see it and know that EVERY game,and how to defeat it.If you keep rotating these pieces,Wentz has no clue(aka "stability") Doing this you now have 4/5 of your line players SET.If there is a consistent weakness,Wentz will know it will happen every game and we can game plan around it(aka,do we need more roll out plays for Wentz etc).It would also tell us which line position is exposed the most,so it can be corrected with ONE player.This constant musical chair approach just leaves more questions than answers and makes life more difficult for our franchise QB 

51 minutes ago, GreenbleedinNC said:

We can move Mailata around,but not Dillard? Why because we drafted Dillard? Mailata-LT,Peters-LG,Lane-RT Dillard RG. I would at least try this combo when Dillard returns.Pryor at RG until Dillard comes back

Dillard is out for the season we also drafted Mailata. When he returns so will Brooks. Right side of our OL is set when healthy with Brooks/Lane.

As for this year Semaulo will no doubt take back his LG spot when healthy. Then the question is RG do we go Herbig or Peters?

When Lane is healthy I’d say Peter to RG with Mailata at LT gives us the best 5 on the field.

7 minutes ago, Bleedinggreen93 said:

When Lane is healthy I’d say Peter to RG with Mailata at LT gives us the best 5 on the field.

This game will go a long way to determining what we should do at OT for the rest of the year. I think there will be some clarity after this week at how we will proceed.

Poe and Worley released by Dullaz. They are doing a fire sale tank to get a better pick next year

3 minutes ago, jsb235 said:

This game will go a long way to determining what we should do at OT for the rest of the year. I think there will be some clarity after this week at how we will proceed.

I hope so,this inconsistent line has to be a distraction for Wentz.As I said,keep them in their spots and it will expose the weakest point and even so,it can be offset by changing the play calls for said weakness.If you are weak at least be consistently weak at the SAME SPOT.It's the only way to get better IMO.Shuffling players doesn't tell you anything

IMO Peters is more in tune and comfortable on the left side,he should play LOG and we replace him after this season.With his(JP's) experience and playing next to mailata,he can even coach him(Mailata) along IN GAME. When I played HS ball we were getting our asses kicked.Our LT went to the coach and suggested the line shift just 3 inches to the right when they set.Coach said,let's try it.We did that and won the game.It was that subtle little difference that changed the game This is stuff JP can tell Mailata every play. Replace JP with Dillard next season at LOG,OR Mailata at LOG and Dillard at LOT whichever works best,but keep them together on the left side(there that side is DONE,now its a matter only of ROG and a replacment/BU for Lane).makes our job alot easier

13 minutes ago, GreenbleedinNC said:

Poe and Worley released by Dullaz. They are doing a fire sale tank to get a better pick next year

Poe turned into just a fat lazy ****. He wasn’t doing anything positive for them.

31 minutes ago, cunninghamtheman said:

Poe turned into just a fat lazy ****. He wasn’t doing anything positive for them.

But why NOW??? Fire sale,comp picks or whatever they can get out of it.Dak is done,who knows when Dalton returns,they are tanking for better picks/comp picks.Note-the "fire sale" came after Dak and Dalton went down and I don't believe this is co-incidence lol

This is the guy who will likely be under center for Dallas it seems 

I suffered through the all 22 of Washington-Dallas and here's some thoughts on the Cowboys.

On offense, they relied on a lot of toss plays to try and generate positive yards on early downs and really had no success. It was bittersweet to see Darby make tackles on those plays for sure. Amari Cooper looks injured to me. I don't know if it is the offense or him personally, but he wasn't a factor on deep routes, and just caught underneath stuff. Their tight ends can't block at all. Our LBs have to win against them.

I don't see how they can move the ball. I guess their qb can run, so maybe some read option stuff might work. But other than that, I have no idea.

On defense, their linebackers are worse than ours. I don't know what happened there, but they are truly awful. I counted a dozen plays where they got beat, committed a penalty, missed a tackle or filled the wrong gap. They can generate some pressure when they blitz, but Washington was able to move the ball just because so many plays that should have gone for two yards went for seven.

This is a game where all we have to do is not make mistakes and we should win pretty easily, which is always an uncomfortable feeling. But of all the teams we have played, this one is the worst by a long way. If you watched the film without knowing any of the players, you would be hard-pressed to see anyone on offense or defense you had to worry about.  

1 hour ago, jsb235 said:

I suffered through the all 22 of Washington-Dallas and here's some thoughts on the Cowboys.

On offense, they relied on a lot of toss plays to try and generate positive yards on early downs and really had no success. It was bittersweet to see Darby make tackles on those plays for sure. Amari Cooper looks injured to me. I don't know if it is the offense or him personally, but he wasn't a factor on deep routes, and just caught underneath stuff. Their tight ends can't block at all. Our LBs have to win against them.

I don't see how they can move the ball. I guess their qb can run, so maybe some read option stuff might work. But other than that, I have no idea.

On defense, their linebackers are worse than ours. I don't know what happened there, but they are truly awful. I counted a dozen plays where they got beat, committed a penalty, missed a tackle or filled the wrong gap. They can generate some pressure when they blitz, but Washington was able to move the ball just because so many plays that should have gone for two yards went for seven.

This is a game where all we have to do is not make mistakes and we should win pretty easily, which is always an uncomfortable feeling. But of all the teams we have played, this one is the worst by a long way. If you watched the film without knowing any of the players, you would be hard-pressed to see anyone on offense or defense you had to worry about.  

SB the Boston Scott show if Sanders is out.Also no Dak/Dalton and they released some of the players they had in that game.They should be even worse than what you watched

8 minutes ago, GreenbleedinNC said:

SB the Boston Scott show if Sanders is out.Also no Dak/Dalton and they released some of the players they had in that game.They should be even worse than what you watched

Griffen is a loss but releasing Poe and Worley should help them, their backups can't be worse.

I am hoping we see some Huntley in this game. He had a burst that was noticeable against the Giants. On a kickoff he grabbed a kick that was short and zipped for a few yards that showed some of his quickness.

1 hour ago, jsb235 said:

I suffered through the all 22 of Washington-Dallas and here's some thoughts on the Cowboys.

On offense, they relied on a lot of toss plays to try and generate positive yards on early downs and really had no success. It was bittersweet to see Darby make tackles on those plays for sure. Amari Cooper looks injured to me. I don't know if it is the offense or him personally, but he wasn't a factor on deep routes, and just caught underneath stuff. Their tight ends can't block at all. Our LBs have to win against them.

I don't see how they can move the ball. I guess their qb can run, so maybe some read option stuff might work. But other than that, I have no idea.

On defense, their linebackers are worse than ours. I don't know what happened there, but they are truly awful. I counted a dozen plays where they got beat, committed a penalty, missed a tackle or filled the wrong gap. They can generate some pressure when they blitz, but Washington was able to move the ball just because so many plays that should have gone for two yards went for seven.

This is a game where all we have to do is not make mistakes and we should win pretty easily, which is always an uncomfortable feeling. But of all the teams we have played, this one is the worst by a long way. If you watched the film without knowing any of the players, you would be hard-pressed to see anyone on offense or defense you had to worry about.  

I can agree with most of what you're saying except Them Cow$itc&/s gonna show up for us. That 3rd string backup is gonna give Schwartz and our D a tough game you know why? It's Eagles Vs Cow$itc&/s. Those Dallas LB will play their best game of the season. Hell Elliott is gonna have his best game of the season along with Cooper because we're ... our Eagles are gonna find a way to F-&kthis up. We should Beat down a reeling team but we gonna find a way to keep them in the game and give them hope. Make this game competitive, when it shouldn't  be competitive. Schwartz will have defenders sitting 15 yards off for a third and 5. Nah just kidding.

1 hour ago, jsb235 said:

Griffen is a loss but releasing Poe and Worley should help them, their backups can't be worse.

I am hoping we see some Huntley in this game. He had a burst that was noticeable against the Giants. On a kickoff he grabbed a kick that was short and zipped for a few yards that showed some of his quickness.

Guess we'll find out.Bu's are BU's for a reason

Reagor confirmed to be playing Sunday night.