2 minutes ago, GreenbleedinNC said:

LMAO OH if he gets out of shape doing football visits he shouldn't be in the top 10 anyhow. He has time to rest after the draft before camp starts?

I'm mean, you want 20 more visits in 3 weeks... that's a lot of traveling... you think it would be easy for him to get his routine down going from city to city.

1 minute ago, GreenbleedinNC said:

I believe someone will,but like You I can't call that.I assume that trade comes around when picks 7,8,9 are on the clock

I think they can come at any time.  

2 minutes ago, joemas6 said:

Yes... he also said he would visit with those teams.

You think this is him...or Drew Rosenhaus?  Come on,you know it's the agent. You are this kid, Drew Rosenhaus has been a big time agent for a couple decades.... you know he will do whatever Drew wants.  Come on now. Common sense. 

So 20 can't move into the top 10? Anyone can if they offer enough

Just now, joemas6 said:

I think they can come at any time.  

I would assume Howie uses the clock ticking to get a better deal

2 minutes ago, GreenbleedinNC said:

Agent,but I'm sure he talks to his agent LOL

His agent has been doing this since before he was born... it's about $$$$  you know the agent is in charge of this stage.  Common sense. The kids go through this once, the agents go through this every year...with multiple clients.  The agents are in charge now.

2 minutes ago, GreenbleedinNC said:

I would assume Howie uses the clock ticking to get a better deal

Right,  unless a desperate " win now" team feels the need to be the 2023 version of the Saints.

7 minutes ago, joemas6 said:

His agent has been doing this since before he was born... it's about $$$$  you know the agent is in charge of this stage.  Common sense. The kids go through this once, the agents go through this every year...with multiple clients.  The agents are in charge now.

I saw a quote it was "only teams with a top 10 pick" and you say OH there could be others,so which is it? it was a quote not someones guess

Just now, joemas6 said:

Right,  unless a desperate " win now" team feels the need to be the 2023 version of the Saints.

Why I said I believe the trade will happen with the clock running

Maybe he only wants top 10 teams,but it's stupid to announce it.Just say"not interested. 

I'm done arguing everything, hope we get some good players here and not another MS2 or Jjaw

Ceedy Dice lashed out at Gannon saying coach didn’t put us in position to make plays. Gannon deserve plenty of blame. Frankly instead of Rosie trying so hard to retain him I was thinking let him go…maybe fire him. Great stats on the whole last year for the D. But started season one with the exact same problem his last game had. I thought Gannon Choked in the big game. Can’t do much with any player or coach that does that. Stats and all these accolades and dominating the Niners was fantastic. But the goal is take home the Lombardi. Being elite week one does nothing to cover up being capable in the Big Game. Like I was seeing evidence from Hurts. That dude thrives under pressure. Whole team and I just feel he won’t allow failure. But if he’s down three TDs. He isn’t going dink and dunk and padding stats for show. He’s doing whatever is possible to win. He’s throwing up the fifty fifty ball to give a chance to win at least. That situation he could throw three interceptions.  He’s a winner! Throw a possible interception if it’s the only real way to have a chance to win. So many are so concerned with business. Going to accept the losing when down and pad completion percentages and stats. The stuff FL hyper focused on. But man did Hurts just dual it out against Mahomes in the biggest game on the planet. I knew he was a good starter early on. Thought he could maybe be in the running for MVP candidate this season. But going toe to toe with the best so quickly in his career was incredible. Many were calling this s prove it season for Hurts. They were thinking quality starter. Maybe franchise QB worthy. Didn’t really hear much talk like that though. Nobody thought he would prove he could go toe to toe against Mahomes in the SB. Nobody! Get him the dang ball back he would get it done to. Every guy on our team believes that also. That was the first key forms to believe in Hurts. Players and coaches were really following him and believing from the first game he took over. He didn’t get it done. Fumbled trying to overcome and make a big play. Terrible how they just scooped and scored on it. That part was crushing. But KC barely was stopped anyway. Gotta believe the odds favored their O scoring a TD if the defender just fell on the ball. We had no defense. Gannon wasn’t ready for AR. Or Tampa O the year before. AR just so superior a coach. Great and grizzled forever coaching big games. KC offense very potent also. AR and Mahomes together is unbelievably lethal combination. Trade out Hill….didn’t slow them down at all erasing the Cheetah. AR actually out achieving us on the ground was frankly shocking. He always hated to run when here. He never stuck with the run even when it was clearly working. But he gashed us on the ground. Through the air. It was an absolute clinic of how a superior offensive mind that’s got such experience edge tears apart the young coach not ready yet. I mean Mahomes is fantastic. But AR was so dominant it looked so easy. We had Pro Bowl and top talent everywhere. Looked like they were starting their first preseason game on a new scheme. Or high school players. That part was just embarrassing. Any blind luck defensive change or call wins the game. Should rewatch to actually count great defensive playcalls he managed and they executed. KC and Mahomes….I don’t care…can get you in the middle of a pkwy after tying a shoe and luck into a tackle better than they did. No unstoppable WR to cover. Couldn’t lock down anybody. Super talented DBs and couldn’t hardly effect mid level pass catchers. 
 

 

Anyway AR looked a shade better than No Mas tag for  him as the Bronze level coach…need to boot for top notch Chip Kelly. Gold medal coaching isn’t even enough for that performance. Complete domination and making a fool of such a talented D. Ranked so high on stats tgat D. AR made them look like PS. What medal you get for that? Definitely left a poop emoji medal on Gannon. Did everybody see the Gannon "gut these MoFo” video before the Niners game? Yeah that’s what happened to him. Still got a HC job. He’s got a high ceiling. I’m not saying he’s terrible. But man….he’s got a ways to go. Or maybe even his scheme just isn’t very capable against good to great QBs. Brees would post forty every Sunday on him. Not sure that can win a Championship. Even with Hurts unbelievable super human efforts…still couldn’t do it. Can’t really base any plans on an offense doing more than ours did in the big game. 

44 minutes ago, GreenbleedinNC said:

I saw a quote it was "only teams with a top 10 pick" and you say OH there could be others,so which is it? it was a quote not someones guess

They said they would take visits with teams who trade into the top 10.

44 minutes ago, GreenbleedinNC said:

Why I said I believe the trade will happen with the clock running

I'm with you 100%.  I think the big trade happens if the 4th QB is still there.   I think otherwise it will be a smaller trade back.  We could stay at 10 or move up too...but I think the odds of that are small. 

45 minutes ago, GreenbleedinNC said:

Maybe he only wants top 10 teams,but it's stupid to announce it.Just say"not interested. 

The agent made all the announcements.  The agent has the contacts ...the agent is running the show.

34 minutes ago, GreenbleedinNC said:

I'm done arguing everything, hope we get some good players here and not another MS2 or Jjaw

What are we arguing??    Discussion isn't an argument????

I'm going to read Ham's last post at some point when I have 20 minutes that I can concentrate.  

Hopefully it's not all about CGJ...if so anyone who reads it let me know.  I'm pretty much over CGJ now. Time to move on. 

2 hours ago, GreenbleedinNC said:

Why would they do that? I have no clue who wants to move up for 10. I hope someone does. I can mock trade with any team,but they have to want to do it 

They suggested for the Jets to get top Oline on the board at 10. Well thought out possibility I’d say.

11 minutes ago, cunninghamtheman said:

They suggested for the Jets to get top Oline on the board at 10. Well thought out possibility I’d say.

Except who are they going to protect?

10 hours ago, joemas6 said:

They said they would take visits with teams who trade into the top 10.

Which we probably won't know until draft day,too late for visits then

10 hours ago, cunninghamtheman said:

Ceedy Dice lashed out at Gannon saying coach didn’t put us in position to make plays. Gannon deserve plenty of blame. Frankly instead of Rosie trying so hard to retain him I was thinking let him go…maybe fire him. Great stats on the whole last year for the D. But started season one with the exact same problem his last game had. I thought Gannon Choked in the big game. Can’t do much with any player or coach that does that. Stats and all these accolades and dominating the Niners was fantastic. But the goal is take home the Lombardi. Being elite week one does nothing to cover up being capable in the Big Game. Like I was seeing evidence from Hurts. That dude thrives under pressure. Whole team and I just feel he won’t allow failure. But if he’s down three TDs. He isn’t going dink and dunk and padding stats for show. He’s doing whatever is possible to win. He’s throwing up the fifty fifty ball to give a chance to win at least. That situation he could throw three interceptions.  He’s a winner! Throw a possible interception if it’s the only real way to have a chance to win. So many are so concerned with business. Going to accept the losing when down and pad completion percentages and stats. The stuff FL hyper focused on. But man did Hurts just dual it out against Mahomes in the biggest game on the planet. I knew he was a good starter early on. Thought he could maybe be in the running for MVP candidate this season. But going toe to toe with the best so quickly in his career was incredible. Many were calling this s prove it season for Hurts. They were thinking quality starter. Maybe franchise QB worthy. Didn’t really hear much talk like that though. Nobody thought he would prove he could go toe to toe against Mahomes in the SB. Nobody! Get him the dang ball back he would get it done to. Every guy on our team believes that also. That was the first key forms to believe in Hurts. Players and coaches were really following him and believing from the first game he took over. He didn’t get it done. Fumbled trying to overcome and make a big play. Terrible how they just scooped and scored on it. That part was crushing. But KC barely was stopped anyway. Gotta believe the odds favored their O scoring a TD if the defender just fell on the ball. We had no defense. Gannon wasn’t ready for AR. Or Tampa O the year before. AR just so superior a coach. Great and grizzled forever coaching big games. KC offense very potent also. AR and Mahomes together is unbelievably lethal combination. Trade out Hill….didn’t slow them down at all erasing the Cheetah. AR actually out achieving us on the ground was frankly shocking. He always hated to run when here. He never stuck with the run even when it was clearly working. But he gashed us on the ground. Through the air. It was an absolute clinic of how a superior offensive mind that’s got such experience edge tears apart the young coach not ready yet. I mean Mahomes is fantastic. But AR was so dominant it looked so easy. We had Pro Bowl and top talent everywhere. Looked like they were starting their first preseason game on a new scheme. Or high school players. That part was just embarrassing. Any blind luck defensive change or call wins the game. Should rewatch to actually count great defensive playcalls he managed and they executed. KC and Mahomes….I don’t care…can get you in the middle of a pkwy after tying a shoe and luck into a tackle better than they did. No unstoppable WR to cover. Couldn’t lock down anybody. Super talented DBs and couldn’t hardly effect mid level pass catchers. 
 

 

Anyway AR looked a shade better than No Mas tag for  him as the Bronze level coach…need to boot for top notch Chip Kelly. Gold medal coaching isn’t even enough for that performance. Complete domination and making a fool of such a talented D. Ranked so high on stats tgat D. AR made them look like PS. What medal you get for that? Definitely left a poop emoji medal on Gannon. Did everybody see the Gannon "gut these MoFo” video before the Niners game? Yeah that’s what happened to him. Still got a HC job. He’s got a high ceiling. I’m not saying he’s terrible. But man….he’s got a ways to go. Or maybe even his scheme just isn’t very capable against good to great QBs. Brees would post forty every Sunday on him. Not sure that can win a Championship. Even with Hurts unbelievable super human efforts…still couldn’t do it. Can’t really base any plans on an offense doing more than ours did in the big game. 

Super humans don't drop balls in the biggest game of their career. Our crap D had the highest turnover ratio in the league.Although the defense had it's share of problems after the 1/2,the offense didn't do diddly either. All they(the offense) had to do was score when they did(fail) and we would not have given up a 10 point lead. Where was that super human stellar leadership? AWOL. We lost by 3 and the "super human" gave them 7 points(do the math). The field conditions took away our biggest asset which was our pass rush. One of the top D's in the league couldn't get 1 sack? For 60 minutes? Their O line is the best in the biz? Not buying. I had the fastest street car in Akron,let's call that the D line. You could stand in front of it,push down on the hood while I floored it and you could move it backwards. Our pass rush was ineffective for the same reason(no traction). So it's nice when you can take away an opponents strength starting with the first snap. Their D line was ineffective also,but that was one of our advantages. Now knowing both D lines are ineffective,the loss falls upon the offense. Super human gift wrapped 7 points,so stop with the Hurts superhuman baloney. 

8 hours ago, cunninghamtheman said:

They suggested for the Jets to get top Oline on the board at 10. Well thought out possibility I’d say.

If they want the top 1 or 2 they will have to go higher than 10. They can stick and take Broderick Jones. Like us,I believe they want more picks not less. I would be fine with a move back to 13

10 hours ago, joemas6 said:

I'm with you 100%.  I think the big trade happens if the 4th QB is still there.   I think otherwise it will be a smaller trade back.  We could stay at 10 or move up too...but I think the odds of that are small. 

Most think(and I do also) that 4 go. Puts us in a nice position to move back a few. I still believe Van Ness is the target and he should be there at 12-15,so that is the area I look at,but we need a team to move up. Could also actually see a move up for my boy Hooker. Hard to know if he will be ready to go week 1,but if some team needs a QB who can wait a year and get him healthy and going,they will get a nice steal if they can snag him in round 2.Heck maybe TB will take him at 19 . Be a smart move for them since they aren't going anywhere this year and they seem to like those "over the hill" aged players lol) On target to be a Heisman finalist(or winner) so he is all about medicals(but yes, he is still human 🤣) 

1 hour ago, GreenbleedinNC said:

Which we probably won't know until draft day,too late for visits then

So I heard the " experts " on NFL network say that the visits are used more to eliminate the kids from the draft board.   

1 hour ago, GreenbleedinNC said:

If they want the top 1 or 2 they will have to go higher than 10. They can stick and take Broderick Jones. Like us,I believe they want more picks not less. I would be fine with a move back to 13

You think so?  I thought it seems that the top picks are going to be QBs and DL?  Seems a CB can sneak in there, the RB may get drafted top 10 too.

Idk... it's why it's wait and see mostly.