I don’t love considering a RB so high. Even been posting my belief of BPA other than RB. But actually come around….just a little…on the idea. Firstly because Bijan feels like a safe quality pick. I’d call him the least likely bust pick you take at 10 how I see things unfolding. We have a need at the position. So his immediate impact would be significant. Admit that it’s almost a fear pick. Taking the safest successful guy there. Chances of choosing a bust or underwhelming prospect at 10 is feeling way to possible. 

BPA I still haven’t changed my belief on though. At 10 I see it as being a DB. Three guys to choose. Gonzales, Weatherspoon and Porter. I keep going over and over comparing them. Three different guys. Which fits what Desai would prefer? Plus we have our three starting CBs well set. Maddox hadn’t been durable. But I really rather not have a top ten CB pick training in the slot. He needs to be outside. Both outside guys older. So feel fairly likely he would get in at some point after starting as a backup. Get to learn from very top wise veterans at the position. That part is ideal. None of the three do I view like I did Sauce Gardner. None are bullet proof choices. Plus it’s not a need position currently. So there is clearly risk in this pick. Possibly get to evaluate and choose from all three choices at 10. Now, Rosie isn’t known for his strength of choosing  DB in the draft. Lost our DC and top Secondary coach. So that factor looms large in this decision. Huge question mark on how great we can develop a DB with the coaches in place. Pretty much the opposite of getting Stout to develop a prospect. 

1 hour ago, cunninghamtheman said:

That brought in a RB and a G. Traded for a top WR. Traded away the top pick obviously choosing to be serious about Fields. The questions surrounding Fields are many. If the Bears had a top Oline would/could Fields become a stud pocket guy? Don’t really think it’s his game. They’ve been sticking to a fairly obvious plan that I see. Cleared their cap. Building up the right way, if Fields is a better Franchise option than any in this year’s class(I have serious doubts about that). I suspect their draft to hit huge on offense. Then they have the young tools to long term grow with Fields. The G they brought in is a stud run blocker, previously for the Titans Henry. I wouldn’t go all out towards the passing game if I was them. They are setup to dominate rushing the ball. Fields likes to rollout to pass. So I’d consider these factors when deciding on what T to choose. WR I’d expect them to grab also. I personally don’t see either position having a worth top ten talent available this weak draft class. So trading back would be the wise decision for them. Coming to that conclusion isn’t favorable for us. Having the 3 pick going to trade back. I suspect 9 and 10 wanting to trade back. 

Why are you in doubt about Fields ability? He had no team,no defense,NOTHING to work with. IDK how you can rate a QB that has nothing to work with. Now they got some players in. How good would Hurts be in Chicago if he was their QB last year?. They have a nice draft on tap,they will add alot of additional pieces. Doesn't really matter what Fields play style is if he has no team around him. He put up some nice numbers last year doing it all ALONE. Add my boy DJ Moore,that is a nice weapon for Fields. Protect the guy and he will be fine. Hurts shined because we surrounded him with talent. Only reason. Fields will do the same

1 hour ago, cunninghamtheman said:

Last year everybody knew Rosie was going to trade out a first round pick. Did decent on the deal. Many here seemed to really be fans of the return. But moving on to this10th pick situation now…..just don’t want to force the trade. Be great if a team really comes charging towards us to overpay for the pick. But I’m saying they go hard for the 3 first. Competition I expect to be heated for that trade. Great position for Gannon to be in Zona. Believe the Panthers really were smart and fast to charge for top pick. They easily could afford what they paid. Trade parties are going over us to the Bears first. We only pull of the trade if I’m correct in this situation by being the cheaper bargain.

Why can't more than 1 team move up? SO what if one moves to 9,someone else will want the 10? SO after bashing the Saints deal,it's now suddenly "decent"? Most thought that all along. Even other GM's were jealous

1 hour ago, cunninghamtheman said:

I believe Wilson is second nonQB off the board however.

Right,so why even talk about him? With only 4 picks we're going to cut some out? At 10 we get a stud no matter,moving up won't change that and you lose draft capital. Lots of nice players in the 50-70 range and we need help at more than 4 spots,so why not get the EXTRA picks? 

1 hour ago, cunninghamtheman said:

Carter falling to us is best case scenario I see possible. 

Then I will be a Panther fan lol

1 hour ago, cunninghamtheman said:

But even with everybody trying to smokescreen blowup his worth to get him to fall to them..,I doubt he gets to us.

He's a POS and lazy besides that. MS2 2.0 Don't want him.I;m not starting this BS over again!!!!

1 hour ago, cunninghamtheman said:

Chances of choosing a bust or underwhelming prospect at 10 is feeling way to possible. 

Yet you want Carter-ironic, Let's bust arse to get a guy who didn't complete his combine and whiffed his pro day! EXCELLENT choice(not) Even forgetting about the other issues you'd still take this loser LOL. Would you take Wilson/Njigba/Robinson if they did the same thing?

1 hour ago, cunninghamtheman said:

BPA I still haven’t changed my belief on though. At 10 I see it as being a DB. Three guys to choose. Gonzales, Weatherspoon and Porter. I keep going over and over comparing them. Three different guys. Which fits what Desai would prefer? Plus we have our three starting CBs well set. Maddox hadn’t been durable. But I really rather not have a top ten CB pick training in the slot. He needs to be outside. Both outside guys older. So feel fairly likely he would get in at some point after starting as a backup. Get to learn from very top wise veterans at the position. That part is ideal. None of the three do I view like I did Sauce Gardner. None are bullet proof choices. Plus it’s not a need position currently. So there is clearly risk in this pick. Possibly get to evaluate and choose from all three choices at 10. Now, Rosie isn’t known for his strength of choosing  DB in the draft. Lost our DC and top Secondary coach. So that factor looms large in this decision. Huge question mark on how great we can develop a DB with the coaches in place. Pretty much the opposite of getting Stout to develop a prospect. 

Howie doesn't draft DB's. How long have you been a fan???? Time to rebuild/prep the lines for the future and this is a great draft to do it. 

2 hours ago, cunninghamtheman said:

But even with everybody trying to smokescreen blowup his worth to get him to fall to them..,I doubt he gets to us.

Who trades up for Carter if he I there at 9 for the Bears?  

58 minutes ago, GreenbleedinNC said:

Howie doesn't draft DB's. How long have you been a fan???? Time to rebuild/prep the lines for the future and this is a great draft to do it. 

Over the past 20 years the Eagles have had 17 first round picks

DL = 8

OL = 4

WR = 4

QB = 1

OBJ to the Ravens... interesting 

1 hour ago, joemas6 said:

Over the past 20 years the Eagles have had 17 first round picks

DL = 8

OL = 4

WR = 4

QB = 1

Well that's what i was saying to Ham. He's rambling about DB's.I'm not considering any until the last pick(as it stands now). I DO have a CB I like at 62,but I doubt Howe even goes for that. I think Jones in round 2 was the last real chance Howie took. After that was Zech in round 4 who has been a roster wash since he was drafted(see Jjaw lol) And the fact you didn't know who Zech was just reinforces my point. Blank a pleasant surprise 

At 62 I like Julius Brents,the CB from Kansas St. IDK if Howie would even go that high. He might IDK

4 hours ago, GreenbleedinNC said:

Why are you in doubt about Fields ability? He had no team,no defense,NOTHING to work with. IDK how you can rate a QB that has nothing to work with. Now they got some players in. How good would Hurts be in Chicago if he was their QB last year?. They have a nice draft on tap,they will add alot of additional pieces. Doesn't really matter what Fields play style is if he has no team around him. He put up some nice numbers last year doing it all ALONE. Add my boy DJ Moore,that is a nice weapon for Fields. Protect the guy and he will be fine. Hurts shined because we surrounded him with talent. Only reason. Fields will do the same

I’ve stated I see Fields as entertaining. Think he’s better than most with bad situations. But have my doubts about his abilities to step up to lead a team that’s of quality to get there. Been talking about how crucial this factor is for me. Not much interest in how good a guy can be on a bad team. What matters is can he do what’s needed to go all the way? 

FL you had no problem crushing Hurts with a pathetic WR corps early on. He’s a second round pick. Much later drafted than Fields. I’ve said much the same about Kyler Murray. Both have huge abilities. But aren’t the right Franchise Guys. 

Both Murray and Fields are young. Niners high pick I’ve questioned massively also. Jags QB looked terrible early on with a bad team. Yet him I believed in. He’s not so great with a bad team and coaching. But he can get it done on a good team. Just like I’ve talked about Gannon’s coaching abilities. He’s just getting going also. Maybe as a HC he works better. Clearly a hard working coach. But thriving against the weak opponents isn’t the goal. Need to get every win. But you made these points plenty last season. Or I guess now I mean two seasons ago. Top QBs were breaking completion percentage records against him. Then we faced much weaker level QB play. His D had the good stats you like to judge things too much on. Then got TB and got romped. This year…great D…but SB…terrible. Being capable of stellar performances is one thing. Can’t choke in the big moments though. Can’t do anything with those guys. If the goal is Lombardi.

4 hours ago, GreenbleedinNC said:

Why are you in doubt about Fields ability? He had no team,no defense,NOTHING to work with. IDK how you can rate a QB that has nothing to work with. Now they got some players in. How good would Hurts be in Chicago if he was their QB last year?. They have a nice draft on tap,they will add alot of additional pieces. Doesn't really matter what Fields play style is if he has no team around him. He put up some nice numbers last year doing it all ALONE. Add my boy DJ Moore,that is a nice weapon for Fields. Protect the guy and he will be fine. Hurts shined because we surrounded him with talent. Only reason. Fields will do the same

Seems like you are making more a judgement based on his play from last season and that team to me.

4 hours ago, GreenbleedinNC said:

Why can't more than 1 team move up? SO what if one moves to 9,someone else will want the 10? SO after bashing the Saints deal,it's now suddenly "decent"? Most thought that all along. Even other GM's were jealous

I said the trade had to deliver a top ten pick this season to be worth it. Wanted to win the SB last season. So wanted all hands on deck. Having another first round talent felt hard to give up. Raiders, Bears and us are looking to trade back supposedly. Cards will trade back at 3. But the first three if that’s the case makes the trade market obviously weaker. If we are the only option to possibly trade with it clearly makes that pick worth more. 

4 hours ago, GreenbleedinNC said:

Why can't more than 1 team move up? SO what if one moves to 9,someone else will want the 10? SO after bashing the Saints deal,it's now suddenly "decent"? Most thought that all along. Even other GM's were jealous

Anything is always possible. Everybody after us could be craving so badly to trade up that there or four teams all are willing to overpay. Odds are against it. Teams all bidding for 10 jumps the price. Then bidding fir 7, 9 and 10….lessons the market. Just basic economics really.

4 hours ago, GreenbleedinNC said:

Why can't more than 1 team move up? SO what if one moves to 9,someone else will want the 10? SO after bashing the Saints deal,it's now suddenly "decent"? Most thought that all along. Even other GM's were jealous

The proof really only comes with what players are chosen. You can win the trade wars on paper all day. But always comes down to the pick. I stressed how we had a situation to win now so massively last season. Siri had a new team that he is building. So bringing in longer term players was good for the long term as well as short term.

Not too mention Saints got Olave. We enabled them to make the run on WR to put us out. He actually was about the largest factor on O in the game we lost to them. First drive he made a few catches. Only thing their O did the whole game. We still got top seed. Won the NFC. So maybe that loss wasn’t much of a factor.

4 hours ago, GreenbleedinNC said:

He's a POS and lazy besides that. MS2 2.0 Don't want him.I;m not starting this BS over again!!!!

He’s a lazy player that dominated and was the top guy on the best most talented D around. So his ceiling is unbelievably high. Can we get him focused to work hard? Got exteammates. What’s the coaching? Like our Dline coach. He’s our strength on that side of the ball. Many things pointing towards our ability to get him playing at such a high level for us. Maybe he doesn’t everywhere. Considered the top player in the draft since last year. Anderson right there also. But it’s been those two. Before the season started. Stayed all season. Now in the offseason…not playing football…he’s worthless? Draft always a gamble. Want the most talented athlete and him to eat and sleep football. But how many guys have that combination? It’s very rare? Kyler Murray…Mike Vick….so many of the best athletes have relied on supreme athleticism through their football. Think most players rely heavily on it until they need more. Guys like Carter haven’t had to through the highest level of college ball. That’s some serious rare physical gifts. He’s big and got an amazing quick twitch. Absolute freak! Don’t think a single person questions any of that. 

4 hours ago, GreenbleedinNC said:

Yet you want Carter-ironic, Let's bust arse to get a guy who didn't complete his combine and whiffed his pro day! EXCELLENT choice(not) Even forgetting about the other issues you'd still take this loser LOL. Would you take Wilson/Njigba/Robinson if they did the same thing?

How many of the guys considered the best…or second best…participate in all the combine drills? What’s to gain? He had an obvious serious distraction to handle. Now his Pro Day he weighed an extra 9 pounds. Less than ideal. But 9 pounds for a huge DT. Nothing that crazy. The coach working him out went really extra hard by most all accounts. So not even sure he failed his Pro Day that terribly. Didn’t kill it. But those two moments I don’t consider that damning on a guy that’s showed …playing real football…at the highest college level…to dominate. Comes down to do we have the right people in place to get him focused to work out. I believe we have near ideal setting for him. Rocker, Davis and Dean. With Hurts as our leader.

5 hours ago, GreenbleedinNC said:

Howie doesn't draft DB's. How long have you been a fan???? Time to rebuild/prep the lines for the future and this is a great draft to do it. 

Forcing a player is the easiest way to fail. At 10 it’s real tough for me to go against BPA. Few exceptions. QB. RB. Probably LB.