btw YET another QB I found,(besides the useless old man who was a contender for the Heisman before injury Hooker) DTR(UCLA) who I had as a round 7 pick is moving up nicely now also. Not an immediate starter,but a kid who can get better over time and COULD eventually work his way into a starting gig. More potential IMO than Book 

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(sigh) my kid is a better prospect https://byucougars.com/athlete/football/1299129/christopher-brooks  I mean if we're taking a UDFA RB,this is the kid to take. I may even spend my last 7th on him

1-10-Van Ness-edge- Iowa   1-30- Dawand Jones OT-OSU  2-62- Julius Brents-CB Kansas St  3-94-AT Perry-WR-WF   7-219-Clayton Tune-QB-Houston   7-248-Chris Brooks-RB-BYU. At 30 there is also a case to be made for Hams FL G Cyrus Torrence

Anyway a number of ways to go this time. Hearing about a trade back from 30 and taking Gibbs early round 2. I suppose that's possible,but he seems like a Gainwell clone,so IDK. Personally I would rather do that with Zay Flowers

1 hour ago, GreenbleedinNC said:

1-10-Van Ness-edge- Iowa   1-30- Dawand Jones OT-OSU  2-62- Julius Brents-CB Kansas St  3-94-AT Perry-WR-WF   7-219-Clayton Tune-QB-Houston   7-248-Chris Brooks-RB-BYU. At 30 there is also a case to be made for Hams FL G Cyrus Torrence

No case for O’Cyrus, he’s going to be good but just not a Stout style Lineman. Clearly our team needs somebody stout against the run inside at DT. Most likely team need filled in the first two rounds of this draft.

32 minutes ago, cunninghamtheman said:

No case for O’Cyrus, he’s going to be good but just not a Stout style Lineman. Clearly our team needs somebody stout against the run inside at DT. Most likely team need filled in the first two rounds of this draft.

Seems people are thinking we need the pass rusher from the inside...replacing Hargrave.  Maybe the idea of Davis and Cox vs the run is good enough?   Idk... but I'd love to see a top DT drafted.  Either way, we aren't going to leave the draft feeling satisfied at all the positions.

That's really not the idea of the draft though.  It's a tool to accumulate good players where they are young and develop into your core.  Foundation pieces, not guys to just fill a temporary need for that year.   That's why when it's done we aren't going to have all of...the future OT/G...DT/ edge... 3rd WR, S, LB, CB ,RB...etc.   Not going to happen.   Let's just hope we can get some good long term pieces, hopefully an elite one with the first pick.  Not elite prospect...but a guy who develops into an elite player.  

https://draftwire.usatoday.com/lists/2023-nfl-draft-ocyrus-torrence-scouting-report/   Yeah just AWFUL 🤣 They have him as a top 15 pick,if I can get him at 30 what is the issue??? With his size and weight be could also be a RT if we chose to move him in that direction,but why not get an immediate starter at 30? I would take him or DaWand Jones with NP(who can also start at RG. Either has the capacity to play both spots if called upon

2 hours ago, cunninghamtheman said:

No case for O’Cyrus, he’s going to be good but just not a Stout style Lineman. Clearly our team needs somebody stout against the run inside at DT. Most likely team need filled in the first two rounds of this draft.

So Davis isn't stout against the run? And we need to see Dean step in/up this year at LB? RG is not a position of need? IDK how stout you need to be allowing zero sacks of your QB. Sounds pretty stout to me. He is also good at pass pro. He can be an immediate starter,and with a nice O line,our RBBC will do just fine. So if you don't want Torrence who is your starting RG this year?

https://www.phillyvoice.com/eagles-2023-draft-prospect-visit-rumor-news-tracker/  Dexter also a nice DT prospect IMO

Tossing this out. Possible trade partner in GB. I'm sure they would like to have a decent WR added. At 10 there will be one there. Maybe even Ngijba. Our 10 for GB 15 and 116(round 4) and whatever else Howie could squeeze out of them. 10=15+116 on the trade chart,but Howie can squeeze them for something else. 15 is right on the cusp of getting Van Ness from what I have seen. So get your man(whomever that is) at 15 and add a round 4. Maybe trade back the 30 slightly for an early 2 and something else. Still good WR's at pick 15,but I doubt Njigba will last that long,so that trade depends on how they value Njigba and who else could snag him between 10 and 15,so maybe that happens

9 hours ago, joemas6 said:

Seems people are thinking we need the pass rusher from the inside...replacing Hargrave.  Maybe the idea of Davis and Cox vs the run is good enough?   Idk... but I'd love to see a top DT drafted.  Either way, we aren't going to leave the draft feeling satisfied at all the positions.

That's really not the idea of the draft though.  It's a tool to accumulate good players where they are young and develop into your core.  Foundation pieces, not guys to just fill a temporary need for that year.   That's why when it's done we aren't going to have all of...the future OT/G...DT/ edge... 3rd WR, S, LB, CB ,RB...etc.   Not going to happen.   Let's just hope we can get some good long term pieces, hopefully an elite one with the first pick.  Not elite prospect...but a guy who develops into an elite player.  

In the past we would only take a guy that high based on pass rush ability. Added Davis and then still needed to add two old grizzled vets to stop the run.  Different guy running the D now in Desai.  So his opinion on top need would very much interest me. Can’t help but consider interior run stopping as just so obvious a need. Without question, right? Just traded up to take a DT so very high last draft. So kind of putting all these eggs in one basket. But doing it along the Dline I can see Rosie having no problem going down that path. But pass rush really doesn’t seem nearly as essential as run stopper. Feels weird and unnatural for us long time Eags fans. Always been about the pass over the run. 

Cox I believe could really be solid against the run. Problem is him playing under contract year situation and terms. Being a Dline looking girl a new contract…so very heavily depends on pass rushing numbers. Cox getting pressure last season kept his value. He got pretty blown away against the run though. Sadly how the situation seems to work. If he plays stout against the run and focuses his skills on that…would be best for us. Lengthen his career by basically becoming a stout NT. But if his pass rush numbers disappear everybody will say and think he’s washed up. Real Catch 22 situation. Two seasons ago and maybe before that also…Rosie seemed to believe Cox didn’t do enough work in the offseason. He’s just been so athletic and big that he likely has been enabled to coast on not being a workout warrior type. But with aging he can’t afford that mentality anymore. So being under contract year situation hopefully will drive him to work his tail off. Think seeing how his huge megacontract situation has completely deteriorated sends huge signals to his ego also. Which should be considered a good thing. He still can play at a high level. Think what we witnessed a couple seasons ago was more about being lazy and not in shape than loss of ability. Father Time will always catch up with everybody. So it is a factor. So anyway the problem that can’t seemingly be solved is to get Fletch to embrace being the stout run stuffer. Going to be hard to convince him it’s good for his career or wallet. Can’t extend him as a means to prove run stuffing will lengthen his stay here. He needs the motivation of contract season pending FA status. Stated the same stuff last offseason about him. Fairly obvious stuff when you think from a DC perspective and from a player perspective(take off the fan hat for a second).

14 hours ago, GreenbleedinNC said:

Nope,not happening

I was very against the idea myself. Stated BPA except RB. But I’ve softened on the idea some. He’s the safest choice. Us just not blowing the pick actually goes a long ways. The need for a RB positional is there. So I’ve at least gotten to the point of considering how many choices could be and end up worse. The plan feels like it’s turning towards even more reliance on Hurts and the O. Bijan could really help take some of that load off Hurts shoulders. Keep opposing Ds off balance playing run/pass. That’s ideal. Any pro D that can T off focus one dimensionally is hard to accel against. Name of the game is creating conflict in players. Hurts brings the third level of conflict on his own. Can’t see another player that would come close to immediate impact for our team either.

13 hours ago, GreenbleedinNC said:

btw YET another QB I found,(besides the useless old man who was a contender for the Heisman before injury Hooker) DTR(UCLA) who I had as a round 7 pick is moving up nicely now also. Not an immediate starter,but a kid who can get better over time and COULD eventually work his way into a starting gig. More potential IMO than Book 

Watch how Hooker’s supporting staff does well as pros. You clearly don’t see what I view as the system Volunteers were running. Many scouting reports have noticed though. Seen several mention the fear of how much he was a system QB. It’s like you mention that he was four years older than his competition as a badge of honor…instead of being a huge advantage in his favor. Crazy how critical you can be on Hurts at a younger age…IN THE PROS. But much less of an older guy playing in college. That part is just weird. The fact Hooker didn’t get it rolling until such an advanced age is an easy red flag. Even then it was based on many other factors than himself. Hurts just unleashed in the pros at 24. You’ve shredded him soooo much on his way there. Yet love how a 25 year old finally was doing well in college ball. Thing is you aren’t all alone. I’ve seen it almost to the level of popular opinion that Hooker should be a high pick. Like the injury excuse is built in for the only reason he won’t go early. It’s all over the place. But college isn’t pro ball. You gotta get this understood in your head. So many guys contending for Heismans or dominated college ball that did squat in the NFL. Just something I feel shouldn’t have to even be mentioned because all nfl fans understand this. Frankly Heisman contention really has very little bearing on NFL potential. You gotta advance your endless scouting to account for this crucial factor. Not looking for college production as much as abilities translating to the next level. Sometimes a guy like Burrow does and has both. But more guys like Tebow. Add in a guy doing it in college at such an advanced age brings up the question marks all the more obviously. I don’t think Hooker will translate to much of anything in the NFL. All kinds of reasons to believe this. I’m in the minority about this…admit that. So we’ll see. 

45 minutes ago, cunninghamtheman said:

I was very against the idea myself. Stated BPA except RB. But I’ve softened on the idea some. He’s the safest choice. Us just not blowing the pick actually goes a long ways. The need for a RB positional is there. So I’ve at least gotten to the point of considering how many choices could be and end up worse. The plan feels like it’s turning towards even more reliance on Hurts and the O. Bijan could really help take some of that load off Hurts shoulders. Keep opposing Ds off balance playing run/pass. That’s ideal. Any pro D that can T off focus one dimensionally is hard to accel against. Name of the game is creating conflict in players. Hurts brings the third level of conflict on his own. Can’t see another player that would come close to immediate impact for our team either.

Time for Hurts to PASS THE BALL

38 minutes ago, cunninghamtheman said:

Watch how Hooker’s supporting staff does well as pros. You clearly don’t see what I view as the system Volunteers were running. Many scouting reports have noticed though. Seen several mention the fear of how much he was a system QB. It’s like you mention that he was four years older than his competition as a badge of honor…instead of being a huge advantage in his favor. Crazy how critical you can be on Hurts at a younger age…IN THE PROS. But much less of an older guy playing in college. That part is just weird. The fact Hooker didn’t get it rolling until such an advanced age is an easy red flag. Even then it was based on many other factors than himself. Hurts just unleashed in the pros at 24. You’ve shredded him soooo much on his way there. Yet love how a 25 year old finally was doing well in college ball. Thing is you aren’t all alone. I’ve seen it almost to the level of popular opinion that Hooker should be a high pick. Like the injury excuse is built in for the only reason he won’t go early. It’s all over the place. But college isn’t pro ball. You gotta get this understood in your head. So many guys contending for Heismans or dominated college ball that did squat in the NFL. Just something I feel shouldn’t have to even be mentioned because all nfl fans understand this. Frankly Heisman contention really has very little bearing on NFL potential. You gotta advance your endless scouting to account for this crucial factor. Not looking for college production as much as abilities translating to the next level. Sometimes a guy like Burrow does and has both. But more guys like Tebow. Add in a guy doing it in college at such an advanced age brings up the question marks all the more obviously. I don’t think Hooker will translate to much of anything in the NFL. All kinds of reasons to believe this. I’m in the minority about this…admit that. So we’ll see. 

So tell me again 25 is old. How long did Brady play? Favre? Manning? You need to remove your head from your arse if you don't think QB's are playing longer than ever. You have a hang up about age and it's a STUPID argument. Isn't every QB a "system QB"???? You either get a QB that fits your system or you change your system to fit the QB??? If you do neither you won't win many game. This is a ridiculous argument. Once again you FAILED to read about him.The mere fact he played at all is an amazing show of fortitude. You're just mad I picked him out when he was on nobodys radar and you can't stand it and it's COMICAL 🤣. So immature

38 minutes ago, cunninghamtheman said:

You’ve shredded him soooo much on his way there.

You need to go into politics because this is more BS LIES

40 minutes ago, cunninghamtheman said:

Watch how Hooker’s supporting staff does well as pros. You clearly don’t see what I view as the system Volunteers were running. Many scouting reports have noticed though. Seen several mention the fear of how much he was a system QB. It’s like you mention that he was four years older than his competition as a badge of honor…instead of being a huge advantage in his favor. Crazy how critical you can be on Hurts at a younger age…IN THE PROS. But much less of an older guy playing in college. That part is just weird. The fact Hooker didn’t get it rolling until such an advanced age is an easy red flag. Even then it was based on many other factors than himself. Hurts just unleashed in the pros at 24. You’ve shredded him soooo much on his way there. Yet love how a 25 year old finally was doing well in college ball. Thing is you aren’t all alone. I’ve seen it almost to the level of popular opinion that Hooker should be a high pick. Like the injury excuse is built in for the only reason he won’t go early. It’s all over the place. But college isn’t pro ball. You gotta get this understood in your head. So many guys contending for Heismans or dominated college ball that did squat in the NFL. Just something I feel shouldn’t have to even be mentioned because all nfl fans understand this. Frankly Heisman contention really has very little bearing on NFL potential. You gotta advance your endless scouting to account for this crucial factor. Not looking for college production as much as abilities translating to the next level. Sometimes a guy like Burrow does and has both. But more guys like Tebow. Add in a guy doing it in college at such an advanced age brings up the question marks all the more obviously. I don’t think Hooker will translate to much of anything in the NFL. All kinds of reasons to believe this. I’m in the minority about this…admit that. So we’ll see. 

So now I like DTR like I like Hooker,what bash you got on him fool???? Hooker will be drafted by round 2(maybe late 1) book it. So when he gets picked you will look like the fool.; Tell me again what round Hurts was drafted in?????

1 hour ago, cunninghamtheman said:

Cox I believe could really be solid against the run. Problem is him playing under contract year situation and terms. Being a Dline looking girl a new contract…so very heavily depends on pass rushing numbers. Cox getting pressure last season kept his value. He got pretty blown away against the run though. Sadly how the situation seems to work. If he plays stout against the run and focuses his skills on that…would be best for us. Lengthen his career by basically becoming a stout NT. But if his pass rush numbers disappear everybody will say and think he’s washed up. Real Catch 22 situation. Two seasons ago and maybe before that also…Rosie seemed to believe Cox didn’t do enough work in the offseason. He’s just been so athletic and big that he likely has been enabled to coast on not being a workout warrior type. But with aging he can’t afford that mentality anymore. So being under contract year situation hopefully will drive him to work his tail off. Think seeing how his huge megacontract situation has completely deteriorated sends huge signals to his ego also. Which should be considered a good thing. He still can play at a high level. Think what we witnessed a couple seasons ago was more about being lazy and not in shape than loss of ability. Father Time will always catch up with everybody. So it is a factor. So anyway the problem that can’t seemingly be solved is to get Fletch to embrace being the stout run stuffer. Going to be hard to convince him it’s good for his career or wallet. Can’t extend him as a means to prove run stuffing will lengthen his stay here. He needs the motivation of contract season pending FA status. Stated the same stuff last offseason about him. Fairly obvious stuff when you think from a DC perspective and from a player perspective(take off the fan hat for a second).

Are you out effing plants again tonight?

2 hours ago, cunninghamtheman said:

Cox I believe could really be solid against the run. Problem is him playing under contract year situation and terms. Being a Dline looking girl a new contract…so very heavily depends on pass rushing numbers. Cox getting pressure last season kept his value. He got pretty blown away against the run though. Sadly how the situation seems to work. If he plays stout against the run and focuses his skills on that…would be best for us. Lengthen his career by basically becoming a stout NT. But if his pass rush numbers disappear everybody will say and think he’s washed up. Real Catch 22 situation. Two seasons ago and maybe before that also…Rosie seemed to believe Cox didn’t do enough work in the offseason. He’s just been so athletic and big that he likely has been enabled to coast on not being a workout warrior type. But with aging he can’t afford that mentality anymore. So being under contract year situation hopefully will drive him to work his tail off. Think seeing how his huge megacontract situation has completely deteriorated sends huge signals to his ego also. Which should be considered a good thing. He still can play at a high level. Think what we witnessed a couple seasons ago was more about being lazy and not in shape than loss of ability. Father Time will always catch up with everybody. So it is a factor. So anyway the problem that can’t seemingly be solved is to get Fletch to embrace being the stout run stuffer. Going to be hard to convince him it’s good for his career or wallet. Can’t extend him as a means to prove run stuffing will lengthen his stay here. He needs the motivation of contract season pending FA status. Stated the same stuff last offseason about him. Fairly obvious stuff when you think from a DC perspective and from a player perspective(take off the fan hat for a second).

You're fine with keeping old relics around but bash a 25 year old QB as too old LMFAO. The comedy never stops coming.  

3 hours ago, cunninghamtheman said:

Cox I believe could really be solid against the run. Problem is him playing under contract year situation and terms. Being a Dline looking girl a new contract…so very heavily depends on pass rushing numbers. Cox getting pressure last season kept his value. He got pretty blown away against the run though. Sadly how the situation seems to work. If he plays stout against the run and focuses his skills on that…would be best for us. Lengthen his career by basically becoming a stout NT. But if his pass rush numbers disappear everybody will say and think he’s washed up. Real Catch 22 situation. Two seasons ago and maybe before that also…Rosie seemed to believe Cox didn’t do enough work in the offseason. He’s just been so athletic and big that he likely has been enabled to coast on not being a workout warrior type. But with aging he can’t afford that mentality anymore. So being under contract year situation hopefully will drive him to work his tail off. Think seeing how his huge megacontract situation has completely deteriorated sends huge signals to his ego also. Which should be considered a good thing. He still can play at a high level. Think what we witnessed a couple seasons ago was more about being lazy and not in shape than loss of ability. Father Time will always catch up with everybody. So it is a factor. So anyway the problem that can’t seemingly be solved is to get Fletch to embrace being the stout run stuffer. Going to be hard to convince him it’s good for his career or wallet. Can’t extend him as a means to prove run stuffing will lengthen his stay here. He needs the motivation of contract season pending FA status. Stated the same stuff last offseason about him. Fairly obvious stuff when you think from a DC perspective and from a player perspective(take off the fan hat for a second).

So I definitely think Cox was playing injured ...along with Graham. Both were playing too many snaps in 2020 and 2021...probably 2019 too.    

I think at this point Cox isn't worried about 2024.  He has plenty of money and the motivation is the ring.  Otherwise he would be a NY Jet right now.   Much different than Peters.  Much less casino time in AC if you follow.   Oops, did I say that out loud, sorry JP. 

Anyway... I agree though, I prefer the DTs to be stout vs the run. But one question... wonder if Hargrave playing here all of sudden is when Cox wasn't as good vs the run??? Hmm?  Just a thought?  

But love me that DT combo that the opponent just can't run on.  Everything else can go from there defensively 

2 hours ago, cunninghamtheman said:

Watch how Hooker’s supporting staff does well as pros. You clearly don’t see what I view as the system Volunteers were running. Many scouting reports have noticed though. Seen several mention the fear of how much he was a system QB. It’s like you mention that he was four years older than his competition as a badge of honor…instead of being a huge advantage in his favor. Crazy how critical you can be on Hurts at a younger age…IN THE PROS. But much less of an older guy playing in college. That part is just weird. The fact Hooker didn’t get it rolling until such an advanced age is an easy red flag. Even then it was based on many other factors than himself. Hurts just unleashed in the pros at 24. You’ve shredded him soooo much on his way there. Yet love how a 25 year old finally was doing well in college ball. Thing is you aren’t all alone. I’ve seen it almost to the level of popular opinion that Hooker should be a high pick. Like the injury excuse is built in for the only reason he won’t go early. It’s all over the place. But college isn’t pro ball. You gotta get this understood in your head. So many guys contending for Heismans or dominated college ball that did squat in the NFL. Just something I feel shouldn’t have to even be mentioned because all nfl fans understand this. Frankly Heisman contention really has very little bearing on NFL potential. You gotta advance your endless scouting to account for this crucial factor. Not looking for college production as much as abilities translating to the next level. Sometimes a guy like Burrow does and has both. But more guys like Tebow. Add in a guy doing it in college at such an advanced age brings up the question marks all the more obviously. I don’t think Hooker will translate to much of anything in the NFL. All kinds of reasons to believe this. I’m in the minority about this…admit that. So we’ll see. 

Here is the thing.  You focus on "calling it early"  ...or " how good someone is at a certain age".. .

How about this instead.   It's 2023 now,  what matters is how good someone is now.   QBs are playing to age 40 and beyond now...  so what if a QB is 22 or 24...  he could easily have 12 or 15 years left...what matters is how good he is now and if you think he can improve. 

Bryce Harper said he hopes to play for the Phillies until he is 45.   I say why not?  The sports science has improved so much....we had our center Kelce running like a fullback blocking in space at age 34.  Why can't a QB play at an elite physical level even longer than that?    Brady was a better athlete when he retired than when he was drafted.  It's evolution.  

2 hours ago, GreenbleedinNC said:

So tell me again 25 is old. How long did Brady play? Favre? Manning? You need to remove your head from your arse if you don't think QB's are playing longer than ever. You have a hang up about age and it's a STUPID argument. Isn't every QB a "system QB"???? You either get a QB that fits your system or you change your system to fit the QB??? If you do neither you won't win many game. This is a ridiculous argument. Once again you FAILED to read about him.The mere fact he played at all is an amazing show of fortitude. You're just mad I picked him out when he was on nobodys radar and you can't stand it and it's COMICAL 🤣. So immature

Some are saying about Hurts... " don't pay him, let's see how good he does without the best OL and stud WRs."   

Both extremes I don't like.  I really don't care about how my QB does with no help.  I want to give him everything.  This idea that either Hurts carried the team or we shouldn't pay because the team is too good around him...both just silly.    

How does the QB do when you give him all the tools.  Hurts showed well IMO...barring a fluke fumble...which was a fluke... he was excellent. 

So pay him and keep the studs around him too.   The objective is to win.  Do everything you can to help all your players and coaches win... and the rest doesn't matter. 

2 hours ago, GreenbleedinNC said:

Are you out effing plants again tonight?

😆 🤣 

54 minutes ago, joemas6 said:

Some are saying about Hurts... " don't pay him, let's see how good he does without the best OL and stud WRs."   

Both extremes I don't like.  I really don't care about how my QB does with no help.  I want to give him everything.  This idea that either Hurts carried the team or we shouldn't pay because the team is too good around him...both just silly.    

How does the QB do when you give him all the tools.  Hurts showed well IMO...barring a fluke fumble...which was a fluke... he was excellent. 

So pay him and keep the studs around him too.   The objective is to win.  Do everything you can to help all your players and coaches win... and the rest doesn't matter. 

Agreed,time to pay him. He answered the questions we all had at the start of the season. He can play at a high level and I'm sure he hasn't peaked yet. Ham calls us haters because we wanted to see certain things. IDK why,don't you need to see things from players before you bronze them? I'm fine with Hurts as my QB. He can adjust with the tools he has. We gave him more than most(maybe all) QB's we'd ever had recently. So despite losing some good players,if we have a decent draft,I don't see alot of fall off. Young guys will step up,old guys will fade away. We have both,but the last 2 years I really can't complain about. Howie has done a stellar job. Hurts had a terrific season,noone can argue that. I still feel we will contend. Another division title is not out of the question. Retained 2/3 good DB's. The O line should be fine,replacing Cox should be high on the list. Quez had a down year,but we had alot of others to throw to,so really I don't have alot of worries. We're as good as any other team that I see. Hope we can nail this 3rd draft(in a row). even if we fall a bit short this year we will be back again the following year