37 minutes ago, joemas6 said:

If a kicker or punter was 25 years old in college... does that make him undesirable to you?    

Too old. DOA. A non starter 🤣 Can't play at that age. Only good from 20-23. over the hill,needs put out to pasture. Undraftable,wasted pick

I would trade back a little at 10,grab Van Ness.Use the added pick you just got to move up a little for Torrence if I thought I couldn't wait at 30. 2 top notch players. I would be more than thrilled with that first round

1-10(or 12 or whatever)- Van Ness-edge-Iowa 1-30(or 26or whatever)-Torrence-RG FL  2-62-Gervon Dexter-DT-FL 3-94- Jonathon Mingo-WR Ole Miss(BIG slot WR) or AT Perry from Wake. Add a FA RB as insurance for Penny. 7th's- a DB and QB prospects. Also check for additional DB's and LB's we can sign as teams cut players. We're not getting them all,but this is a great start. My mock at the moment

Next years(2024) O line- Mailata, Dickerson, Jurgens(if Kelce retires),Torrence, Johnson. I can't think of a better line. This years O line- Mailata,Dickerson Kelce,Torrence,Johnson. Even I could run behind this line

31 minutes ago, GreenbleedinNC said:

https://draftwire.usatoday.com/lists/2023-nfl-draft-ocyrus-torrence-scouting-report/ read the damn scouting report-wrong AGAIN. How "athletic" do you need to be as a G trapped between the C and RT?? Please,he's plenty athletic enough and I guess "immediate starter" is not a trait Stout wants???? he's a plug and play RG whom can start today. IDK how you can be wrong so often that takes talent

C in the middle of all of them….has proven being agile and athletic makes the difference of being a Hall of Famer. 

2 minutes ago, cunninghamtheman said:

C in the middle of all of them….has proven being agile and athletic makes the difference of being a Hall of Famer. 

Obviously you either didn't read or cannot comprehend the scouting report which is not my fault. Still waiting on your "better choice"

4 minutes ago, cunninghamtheman said:

C in the middle of all of them….has proven being agile and athletic makes the difference of being a Hall of Famer. 

It's not like your RG needs to run high hurdles and do pole vaulting lmao. Keep the comedy coming

Top Reasons For Concern:

• Scheme specific 
• Questionable lateral agility 
• Limited range as a blocker in pass protection 

According to Draft Network 

Scheme specific….is that specifically fitting our scheme?

1 minute ago, cunninghamtheman said:

Scheme specific….is that specifically fitting our scheme?

Yep he sure does. Good in pass pro and zero QB sacks allowed. Every player has a few "cons" now post his Pros from the same site(it's ,only fair),then look at the overall

4 minutes ago, cunninghamtheman said:

Top Reasons For Concern:

• Scheme specific 
• Questionable lateral agility 
• Limited range as a blocker in pass protection 

As a pass blocker, Torrence is light on his feet and able to dance with lighter and more agile defensive linemen. Once he gets his massive claws on them he is able to lock them in place or toss them on the grass. His flexibility and bend allow him to anchor well and allow his incredible strength to take over on bull rushers. 

5 minutes ago, cunninghamtheman said:

Top Reasons For Concern:

• Scheme specific 
• Questionable lateral agility 
• Limited range as a blocker in pass protection 

He truly shines as a run blocker starting with an excellent low frame and placing his hands on the chest of defenders, he easily pushes them back or aside off the ball, and the battles with him on the interior tend to not last very long. He is a surprisingly good mover on trap plays and tosses, he maneuvers his way to his block with haste and there is not much a defender can do once Torrence gains momentum going downhill. 

Still waiting for an answer to my question. Who is better in this draft?

Overall, Torrence’s plus trait is his physicality in the run game, but there are concerns about his range as a player due to his struggles to move laterally and his reactionary athleticism. If Torrence can be placed in the right scheme to highlight his best assets as a player, he has the upside to be an effective player in the NFL.

Just now, cunninghamtheman said:

Overall, Torrence’s plus trait is his physicality in the run game, but there are concerns about his range as a player due to his struggles to move laterally and his reactionary athleticism. If Torrence can be placed in the right scheme to highlight his best assets as a player, he has the upside to be an effective player in the NFL.

Still waiting for you to show me someone better

1 minute ago, cunninghamtheman said:

Overall, Torrence’s plus trait is his physicality in the run game, but there are concerns about his range as a player due to his struggles to move laterally and his reactionary athleticism. If Torrence can be placed in the right scheme to highlight his best assets as a player, he has the upside to be an effective player in the NFL.

O’Cyrus Torrence is one of the most gifted and best interior offensive linemen I have had the opportunity to scout. His massive size, strength, and athleticism make him an ideal starter at either guard spot. He will be the key factor in a team’s running attack and will not be a liability on passing downs against many of the rushers in the league. He can always work on some mechanical issues to develop even further, and it is fun to think just how strong and ferocious he will become with time and development.

He will undoubtedly be a Day 1 starter and has the potential to be one of the best guards in the league right away.

13 minutes ago, GreenbleedinNC said:

Yep he sure does. Good in pass pro and zero QB sacks allowed. Every player has a few "cons" now post his Pros from the same site(it's ,only fair),then look at the overall

I’ve spoken of his pros. Those aren’t in question. Those don’t offset how he’ll be more successful elsewhere. Already see your fake BS spin coming around when he is successful on another team. How you’ll say I didn’t keep saying how he was going to be successful.

https://www.pff.com/draft/big-board?season=2023    Torrence at 36,I will take him at 30

Going to be a good NFL G. Why I identified him in the first place. But our team is not his ideal fit.

2 minutes ago, GreenbleedinNC said:

https://www.pff.com/draft/big-board?season=2023    Torrence at 36,I will take him at 30

 

1 minute ago, GreenbleedinNC said:

Why should he be successful with another team when he can be successful for the Eagles???? Very stupid comment

This is what you are showing of lack of understanding. Plenty of players can be successful in their ideal situations. Plenty of players that could have been successful struggle because of team fit. You gotta pay attention to the details.

He will be successful whomever takes him,why not the Eagles?

4 minutes ago, cunninghamtheman said:

Going to be a good NFL G. Why I identified him in the first place. But our team is not his ideal fit.

And why is that????

2 minutes ago, cunninghamtheman said:

 

This is what you are showing of lack of understanding. Plenty of players can be successful in their ideal situations. Plenty of players that could have been successful struggle because of team fit. You gotta pay attention to the details.

That's why we pay coaches????

You mentioned him first,so I researched him,but now since I want him you don't simply because I DO. Unreal