19 minutes ago, cunninghamtheman said:

So Shew couldn’t operate passing plays? All those were Hurts style, not his? What about handoff to the RB? It’s all Oline according to some here. Really you just still missing all these qualities Hurts brings. The players respond to Hurts like I’ve never really seen before. First thing I noticed to clue me in on Hurts having ‘it.’ Whole team knew instantly. Even seemed to notice D players lifting up in response. Guys contagious. Easy for us all to see now.

Shew lost the Saints game,Hurts helped lose the SB. Hurts can run in a pinch,Shew is not a RB like Hurts?

5 minutes ago, GreenbleedinNC said:

Shew lost the Saints game,Hurts helped lose the SB. Hurts can run in a pinch,Shew is not a RB like Hurts?

Good thing we don't need to talk about "Shew" anymore. 

Really a fan of hearing the Kelce podcasts.  Just see clips,  except for the Howie one.   But Kelce was very happy we drafted Carter.   Met him twice , at draft and top 30 visit. 

Said he concerned more about kids who think they know it all and are too good.   He said Carter seemed very humble both times in their interactions. 

I will add... Kelce could humble this kid really quickly.  That's not my concern.   I was always about any selfishness.... this kid seems to enjoy being part of the team... really comes off as genuine in that aspect.  

Now just focus and go play.

My gut tells me Smith is going to be really special. 

4 hours ago, GreenbleedinNC said:

I mean when Wentz was our starter we still had plays just for Hurts,so why don't we do that with anyone else?

Nobody else is Hurts

4 hours ago, joemas6 said:

Ok... cash.... Hurts gets the exact numbers I showed you before.

But each amount gets spread over years.    Counting less vs the cap.

In his bank account...the full amount gets deposited.   He isn't taking less. 

If he gets an amount deposited into his bank account... it doesn't matter what is salary or option or workout bonus...orcany other fancy thing you want to call it.  HE GETS PAID!!!!!

The structure ....only effects how it hits the cap.  

You follow?   Bottom line HURTS IS GETTING PAID, HE DIDN’T TAKE A DISCOUNT.   

The guys with the pocket protectors just structured it to keep his cap hits low.

Again the main thing. Do the contract early...is advantage BOTH.   The player can get paid early...cash in the bank.  The team can manipulate the cap hit using the final year of current deal.

Win win...but Player doesn't sacrifice anything.

Signing was really low though.

4 hours ago, joemas6 said:

Ok... cash.... Hurts gets the exact numbers I showed you before.

But each amount gets spread over years.    Counting less vs the cap.

In his bank account...the full amount gets deposited.   He isn't taking less. 

If he gets an amount deposited into his bank account... it doesn't matter what is salary or option or workout bonus...orcany other fancy thing you want to call it.  HE GETS PAID!!!!!

The structure ....only effects how it hits the cap.  

You follow?   Bottom line HURTS IS GETTING PAID, HE DIDN’T TAKE A DISCOUNT.   

The guys with the pocket protectors just structured it to keep his cap hits low.

Again the main thing. Do the contract early...is advantage BOTH.   The player can get paid early...cash in the bank.  The team can manipulate the cap hit using the final year of current deal.

Win win...but Player doesn't sacrifice anything.

The structure effects when you get cash also. Signing bonus means that right away. Base means that season. He has an option which kicks in next year.

4 hours ago, joemas6 said:

Ok... cash.... Hurts gets the exact numbers I showed you before.

But each amount gets spread over years.    Counting less vs the cap.

In his bank account...the full amount gets deposited.   He isn't taking less. 

If he gets an amount deposited into his bank account... it doesn't matter what is salary or option or workout bonus...orcany other fancy thing you want to call it.  HE GETS PAID!!!!!

The structure ....only effects how it hits the cap.  

You follow?   Bottom line HURTS IS GETTING PAID, HE DIDN’T TAKE A DISCOUNT.   

The guys with the pocket protectors just structured it to keep his cap hits low.

Again the main thing. Do the contract early...is advantage BOTH.   The player can get paid early...cash in the bank.  The team can manipulate the cap hit using the final year of current deal.

Win win...but Player doesn't sacrifice anything.

The market says 51 mil a season. So that’s not what I’m seeing he’s getting in cash 

4 hours ago, joemas6 said:

Because it makes no sense to pay the exclusive tag.  

You are Howie ...negotiating...you have the player on a 4 million salary... everyone knows you love draft picks... you don't think he brought up the non exclusive tag... knowing he could get 2 first rounders or match?  

Basically he keeps control.

AND again... Howie is offering more combined cash in Hurts pocket at $64 mil.  Plus instant cash now.

You don't see the leverage there?  As the agent for Hurts you would turn down all that head start cash in his pocket....plus the injury protection.. plus the ability to redo the contract earlier???

For what?  Really look at the alternative.   Like going to another team?  For what..  the extreme unlikely possibility that In 4 years from now you  could catch up in cash?

Really?

I absolutely see the leverage a GM has right at this time in a contract. Absolutely  helps. But an MVP contending QB at 24 clearly has options. Not sure you’re right on this one. He gets guaranteed riches as early as possible. Second contract is key. But I’m seeing it as working out financially better to hold out and play hard ball. But especially you usually see players get much more cash(not cap hit) early.

4 hours ago, joemas6 said:

Because it makes no sense to pay the exclusive tag.  

You are Howie ...negotiating...you have the player on a 4 million salary... everyone knows you love draft picks... you don't think he brought up the non exclusive tag... knowing he could get 2 first rounders or match?  

Basically he keeps control.

AND again... Howie is offering more combined cash in Hurts pocket at $64 mil.  Plus instant cash now.

You don't see the leverage there?  As the agent for Hurts you would turn down all that head start cash in his pocket....plus the injury protection.. plus the ability to redo the contract earlier???

For what?  Really look at the alternative.   Like going to another team?  For what..  the extreme unlikely possibility that In 4 years from now you  could catch up in cash?

Really?

I thought you were saying Rosie wouldn’t use the exclusive tag. He’d use the non exclusive instead…or something.

4 hours ago, joemas6 said:

Here is the Eagles presentation. 

We believe in you Jalen, we want to build our team around you long term . We are willing to give you a $255 mil extension ( New money) with all these guarantees. 

Here is the reasons we think it's great for you...

1. You make nothing now, we put good money in your pocket early.  Tough to catch up.

2.we can tag you for $38 mil next year...and someone will have to offer a running QB a big contract and wonder why we didn't just keep you 100% off the market ..if they offer you more than 38 mil, we can match.  Or we get two 1st round picks.

3. Because we believe in you, we are structuring this deal in a way to keep your cap hits ridiculously low...with thr ability to give you a huge raise after 2026.  Most likely putting $100mil in your pocket... and still leave us with the ability to put a winner around you the whole time.

Or ....get your $4 mil...and see what happens?   You do the math and get back to me.

Anybody without a complete stud QB would gladly trade two first round picks for Hurts.

3 hours ago, joemas6 said:

Good thing we don't need to talk about "Shew" anymore. 

Can’t believe it was so crazy here that FL wanted to bench Hurts because he just runs and had a noodle arm. Aged poorly so quickly.

4 hours ago, joemas6 said:

Here is the Eagles presentation. 

We believe in you Jalen, we want to build our team around you long term . We are willing to give you a $255 mil extension ( New money) with all these guarantees. 

Here is the reasons we think it's great for you...

1. You make nothing now, we put good money in your pocket early.  Tough to catch up.

2.we can tag you for $38 mil next year...and someone will have to offer a running QB a big contract and wonder why we didn't just keep you 100% off the market ..if they offer you more than 38 mil, we can match.  Or we get two 1st round picks.

3. Because we believe in you, we are structuring this deal in a way to keep your cap hits ridiculously low...with thr ability to give you a huge raise after 2026.  Most likely putting $100mil in your pocket... and still leave us with the ability to put a winner around you the whole time.

Or ....get your $4 mil...and see what happens?   You do the math and get back to me.

The owners collude against  Lamar. I wouldn’t try that. He didn’t have an agent. Whole league was very leery of getting into full guaranteed contracts like the Browns have Watson.

4 hours ago, joemas6 said:

I don't understand why you don't get it.  

It's so important for you to put Hurts on a pedestal that you are just blind to the facts I'm giving you. Your whole thing is opinion... I'm giving you what he is going to get paid.

And yes....Burrow and Herbert will get paid more..  because they had higher starting point?

Why is this difficult to get?  Hurts was holding 2 - 7 off suit...  you act like he had 2 aces?

A 24 year old QB that went head to head in the SB with Mahomes and was runner up MVP. That’s a great hand. Can’t play it immediately. But it’s money in the bank. Almost no way he can’t done a team willing to cough up the largest contract. But this would be bidding war. Multiple teams. Plus the leverage he has is he knows the strain a tag would put on Rosie. All guaranteed. I think it would only be exclusive. Even considering non exclusive…never be getting 38. Nit happening. He’s getting offers. So we are forced to match. But that is terrible for Rosie. Not flexibly fitting our cap like he’d need to be able to do.

I mean I think Hurts under non exclusive launches the QB market. It would go way up. Probably 60 mil at least.

4 hours ago, joemas6 said:

A suggestion... stop thinking when there facts.   Numbers are numbers.   He got paid.  Why is it hard to understand that he got paid.....and the structure for the team was done around his getting the money first?

You just have to live in fantasy world?

You are being so abrasive and I keep stating and showing my work as fact. Stay with me here. Christian McCaffrey when he got his new contract he had 21.5 signing bonus. That’s the cash right in the pocket money. Hurts got 23 signing. Huge QB contract versus little RB. Yet both have near the same cash.

4 hours ago, joemas6 said:

A suggestion... stop thinking when there facts.   Numbers are numbers.   He got paid.  Why is it hard to understand that he got paid.....and the structure for the team was done around his getting the money first?

You just have to live in fantasy world?

Not really getting his money first. I see it as he really asked for very minimum early. 

2 hours ago, joemas6 said:

Really a fan of hearing the Kelce podcasts.  Just see clips,  except for the Howie one.   But Kelce was very happy we drafted Carter.   Met him twice , at draft and top 30 visit. 

Said he concerned more about kids who think they know it all and are too good.   He said Carter seemed very humble both times in their interactions. 

I will add... Kelce could humble this kid really quickly.  That's not my concern.   I was always about any selfishness.... this kid seems to enjoy being part of the team... really comes off as genuine in that aspect.  

Now just focus and go play.

My gut tells me Smith is going to be really special. 

Nolan needs to be utilized properly. Gannon did know how to get the best out of Reddick. But now you have Reddick and Nolan. Two guys that aren’t traditional rushers. So can Desai make it work? I really not sure about Desai. Knew he’d be Gannon replacement if we couldn’t keep first choice Fangio here. He was chosen because he plays that similar style D. Fangio student. Siri forces the DC to focus on not giving up the big play. Pretty much all I’ve heard from Siri multiple times about his D philosophy. He believes the plays big games.

But Rosie was knew he was going to Desai. Considered it such a poor option he begged Gannon to stay. Offered him more than his HC pay. Gannon isn’t Buddy Ryan. So consider how badly Rosie was trying to avoid turning to Desai.

4 hours ago, joemas6 said:

I know nothing about college.   I acknowledge that from day 1.  Last time I half paid attention was Penn state and Washington  as Co national champs....that was 30 years ago.

I know a little bit about the cap.  It interested me after hearing the obnoxious Joe Banner fir years.  I put time into understanding it.  How things work.   You don't.   You research college. 

When it comes to money, contracts,  cap..  there are no intangibles.   None of the stuff that makes a movie interesting.  No come back story...no underdog...no Cinderella. 

Just facts and numbers.

Cash in a players pocket...  and cap hit for the team. Two mutually exclusive things.  

A player does not have to sacrifice cash...for a team to have a good cap friendly contract.   

Hurts was always going to get paid..  The Eagles did it using all the tools thst help them.   He still maxed out...but the Eagles did it properly cap wise.

There isn't anything intangible related to this...it's that simple. 

See you just keep going with the holier than though approach of communication. You blast me for not being humble. Call me narcissistic. Look in the mirror. I think I have a fairly good grasp on contracts. What have I stated while backing up with proof you aren’t getting? You are stating one thing. I’m stating another. You think I’m blinded by my love for Hurts. But on this it’s your blind obsession with Rosie being so brilliant. It’s like you are the head of his fan club. You regurgitate every thought and philosophy he has as gold. He has some great and bad qualities. But not the only way to go about the job. You and him just aren’t seemingly football guys so much. You both to busy trying to win the draft wars, trade wars and cap wars on paper. His ideas and philosophy are working ok for him. But both of you are stuck on what Banner taught. What AR said. That advice was decades ago. You guys need to constantly adapt. Change with the times

21 minutes ago, cunninghamtheman said:

You are being so abrasive and I keep stating and showing my work as fact. Stay with me here. Christian McCaffrey when he got his new contract he had 21.5 signing bonus. That’s the cash right in the pocket money. Hurts got 23 signing. Huge QB contract versus little RB. Yet both have near the same cash.

McCaffrey contract is for 64 mil. Got 21.5 cash signing bonus. Hurts signed 255 mil contract and got 23 mil cash signing. No Mas you can try and act like your the god of capology. Put me down because I don’t see that as much cash at all to Hurts. Signing five years wasn’t best for Hurts wallet either. So go ahead and explain to me how you see Hurts cashing in so much compared to a RB McCaffrey. Lowest paid position versus highest paid position. Hurts only got a smidge more cash to begin.

ARod got 110 mil contract. Got 33 mil signing.

Dak got 66 mil. Stafford got 60.

Wilson got 50 mil

That 23 cash up front fir Hurts looks like peanuts comparatively. Now I’ll acknowledge he gets bonus money year two. But still very small amount of cash early for Hurts.