56 minutes ago, Bleedinggreen93 said:

So looking at this team getting healthier will be huge but the biggest issue of all is Wentz. He has to protect the ball he is playing way to reckless.

The OL hasn’t been great but like the first fumble vs Dallas that is solely on Wentz not the OL he can’t keep making plays like that. Just get rid of the ball don’t take the unnecessary sack and for the love of god hold onto the football.

There are other plays of him just making a dumb play the heave across his body vs the giants is another example 

Logic tells us that when a QB has confidence in his team, he won't force things.  Let's just see what happens and if miraculously Wentz seems to do better  if ... the OL stabilizes and the team is able to run the ball.   Or the coach actually using the run game some.     I think Wentz has been the problem... I just differ on it being " Wentz as the cause"   vs " Wentz as the effect"  I'm saying this from observations of his past seasons.  and past seasons of Doug calling plays and managing the game.   Come next Sunday, the Eagles will be 3-4-1 ... how they got their won't mean squat.  As we've seen this year after year.  

So we know the numbers and level of play in the first 8 games .....   at the end of the season let's take a look at the next 8 games.    With a few factors to compare.    
1.  The # of OL combinations  and how many games the starters play.  
2.  How many combo's of starting WRs we use, and how many games the top guys play   (TEs can be included here)
3.  The usage of the running game. 

If it seems like Wentz plays much better in the 2nd 8 games ... lets look if it's really him as the cause... or these other factors effecting his play.  

Right off the bat, there is one huge advantage for the 2nd half of the year.... all these guys who played in their first NFL game ... will now have experience.  

 

1 minute ago, joemas6 said:

Let's just see what happens and if miraculously Wentz seems to do better  if

I think he will do better as well still doesn’t excuse the stupidity of his play 

32 minutes ago, Bleedinggreen93 said:

It’s one thing to have miscues or Wentz getting hit while trying to throw he can’t step up etc. vs When just holding the ball taking a sack and fumbling instead of throwing it away when nobody is open. Or throwing into double/triple coverage, throwing opposite side of the field across his body. Those have nothing to do with new parts or players those are the things I’m looking at things he can solely control 

Agreed.... I also think it's easier for a QB to throw the ball away and kill a play... if he has more confidence that he can make the next play.  I seriously think he didn't want to give up on any play thinking that we absolutely couldn't afford to do so ... which obviously backfired.   I just think he will be put in that position less in the 2nd half... he is still going to fumble though, and he will force some plays because I think we will play from behind a decent amount.    It's frustrating, but to me, I'd rather a guy go down fighting and messing up on his own... than to lose with a McNabb attitude being ok throwing an incomplete pass on 4th down or completing passes consistently short of the first down marker.   At least try to make a play.  These type of guys you can win with. you just have to give him help.  

Just now, joemas6 said:

Agreed.... I also think it's easier for a QB to throw the ball away and kill a play... if he has more confidence that he can make the next play.  I seriously think he didn't want to give up on any play thinking that we absolutely couldn't afford to do so ... which obviously backfired.   I just think he will be put in that position less in the 2nd half... he is still going to fumble though, and he will force some plays because I think we will play from behind a decent amount.    It's frustrating, but to me, I'd rather a guy go down fighting and messing up on his own... than to lose with a McNabb attitude being ok throwing an incomplete pass on 4th down or completing passes consistently short of the first down marker.   At least try to make a play.  These type of guys you can win with. you just have to give him help.  

Cop out just BS sorry. It’s first qtr. and your taking a hit on an early down taking a sack and fumbling no there is zero excuses for that 

4 minutes ago, Bleedinggreen93 said:

I think he will do better as well still doesn’t excuse the stupidity of his play 

How many plays do you think were stupid vs Dallas.... you seemed to write a post that it was pretty much just the first fumble?    This is my point.   IMO... I think Wentz could come out and fumble on his first play.... then throw 8 TD passes and the talk would be about the fumble.  

QB play was bad last Sunday, all around the league, Brees was missing throws, Foles and Lamar taking sacks to move their teams out of FG range... all day I saw bad decisions.  It's not just Wentz.  Wilson was brutal vs Minnesota, a couple lobs up to Metcalf and it erases a lot of bad stuff.    The thing with Wentz, he can't lob it up ... or throw a 70 yard bubble screen.  No help there.   But I agree... I'm just saying, let's see what happens and if it is coincidence that these plays seem to occur less in the 2nd half if/when the environment around him gets better.  

3 minutes ago, joemas6 said:

How many plays do you think were stupid vs Dallas.... you seemed to write a post that it was pretty much just the first fumble?    This is my point.   IMO... I think Wentz could come out and fumble on his first play.... then throw 8 TD passes and the talk would be about the fumble.  

Lmao couple but the first play stands out no.. and it dumb plays he has made all season of course I’m pin pointing the big ones that stood out to me 

3 minutes ago, Bleedinggreen93 said:

Cop out just BS sorry. It’s first qtr. and your taking a hit on an early down taking a sack and fumbling no there is zero excuses for that 

Yeah... agreed.. not a cop out... just saying I believe in his head he still thinks he needs to make the plays.   As a fan, you were looking at a 30 point " Domination"   remember. no excuse for all these rookies not to " dominate"   I was saying the defense needed to dominate, the offense isn't good enough to dominate.  Not the one of the field vs Dallas.  Maybe in a few weeks though, we shall see.     Dumb play, yes... but in his head we weren't the dominant team with a 30 point lead yet in the 1st quarter, so he was still playing hero ball.  WE are saying the same thing, his mistake... just seems we are on different pages as to what we want to see.    You want mistake free ok Wentz with a crappy team... I want to see dominant Wentz with a good team.  

You put a crappy team with Peyton Manning and Michael Vick in their primes... Vick would do " less worse"      You put a really good team with those guys, Manning will do better.   I want Wentz to do great with a good team... not worried about him doing average with a bad team.   I don't think the two things necessarily go hand in hand.  

I think Wentz is a good QB but not going to ignore the fact he has made numerous question decisions that just shouldn’t happen with a 5th year player. And blaming anything else is just a cop out and BS to ignore it

2 minutes ago, joemas6 said:

just seems we are on different pages as to what we want to see.    You want mistake free ok Wentz with a crappy team... I want to see dominant Wentz with a good team.  

No mistakes I can live with the ints don’t bother me Reagor slowed up could have made more of an effort on one, Hightower terrible at tracking the ball and looked like wind got... 2nd fumble LB was on him at the snap mistakes I’m ok with.... Stupidity and dumb decisions I am not that is the difference 

9 minutes ago, Bleedinggreen93 said:

No mistakes I can live with the ints don’t bother me Reagor slowed up could have made more of an effort on one, Hightower terrible at tracking the ball and looked like wind got... 2nd fumble LB was on him at the snap mistakes I’m ok with.... Stupidity and dumb decisions I am not that is the difference 

Agreed 100%... just making the observation that I don't think he will make those kind of plays when he feels he doesn't need to make every play count.     You can call it an excuse, you can call it a cop out... that's fine.  I just call it the initial reason for going down the wrong path and making a bad decision.  He has to own the final result.  The team has to own the reason why he feels the need to go that route.  

All that aside... looking forward to seeing an Eagle WR taking a bubble screen to the house.   seems like we are the only team in the league that can't do it.  This could be Hurts throwing the pass, I don't really care... just want to see it    

8 minutes ago, joemas6 said:

You can call it an excuse, you can call it a cop out... that's fine.  I just call it the initial reason for going down the wrong path and making a bad decision.  He has to own the final result.  The team has to own the reason why he feels the need to go that route.  

Because that exactly what it is an excuse for his poor decisions nothing else 

17 minutes ago, Bleedinggreen93 said:

No mistakes I can live with the ints don’t bother me Reagor slowed up could have made more of an effort on one, Hightower terrible at tracking the ball and looked like wind got... 2nd fumble LB was on him at the snap mistakes I’m ok with.... Stupidity and dumb decisions I am not that is the difference 

2018 ... Aaron Rodgers led the league by a mile in throwing the ball away to kill the play .... very fundamental for a veteran QB, avoid those mistakes .      Team went 6-9-1.    It's a great look to avoid making mistakes ... a QB can go into the locker room as the losing QB, but know he didn't make mistakes because he just took the incomplete pass.    On Monday he wakes up still a loser.    If a player is driven to win and that's all he cares about on the field.... you, me, the coach, his teammates, his dad... whoever it is, they can all say " you don't have to make all the plays"  ... until the guy feels that in his own mind, still a good chance he may try to make a play when he shouldn't.  More of a chance.   Perfect world, the QB never gets put in that position, and if so, he doesn't go that route.

In Rodgers case... miraculously he got good again and his team in back on top.   Now, it could be Rodgers ... or it could be better coaching and teammates that have caused his play to step back up?   I'm guessing it's the stuff around him.  I think it will be the same for Wentz.       

Another player... Russell Wilson.  The guy who I feel has been the best player in the league the last few years.  Should have been MVP in 2017, probably even if Wentz finished.   He has weapons around him now and all of a sudden look how he is putting up stats, and now he is the MVP favorite?  I've been watching him this year, playing well for the most part.  I thought he played better the last few seasons, just didn't go as noticed because he had to do more himself for his team to win, and the team didn't have as much success that way.   QBs need teammates, a good one can look great once he gets them.  Wentz is no different.  2017 was the best job by far that the Eagles did giving him those teammates.    If he can grow with these young guys, maybe in a year or two, we can say the same but maybe keep it stable for longer.   I think easier to do with the skill position than it will be with the OL.  That OL in 2017 will be hard to replicate.   

9 minutes ago, Bleedinggreen93 said:

Because that exactly what it is an excuse for his poor decisions nothing else 

BG, you ever cut your leg playing sports... like sliding into a base, diving for a ball, tripping on a basketball court?    If so, we know the decision was your to make right?   Did circumstances outside of your control put you in position to make that decision?     Again, we agree .. Wentz needs to own the result ..... I'm saying the Eagles need to own putting him in position to have that result.  

3 minutes ago, joemas6 said:

Wentz needs to own the result ..... I'm saying the Eagles need to own putting him in position to have that result.  

So every time Wentz feels like he doesn’t have enough help around him we excuse him for dumb decisions???? No it just sounds stupid and wrong.

Playing poorly stats not there maybe teams not winning I can put a ton on the poor roster.... Stupid decisions I can’t there are zero excuses reason whatever you want to call it for it

7 hours ago, joemas6 said:

You eventually have to beat the top teams anyway.   We won't have legit home field advantage without the full crowd.  We need 4 wins to win a SB.   Why would it bother you if the loss is to a #1 seed on the road instead of #5 at home?   Isn't it better to go out vs a better team? 

Terrible logic. Much rather face a lower seed. Fans aren’t everything towards home field advantage also. There’s a difference in staying at home and flying across the country. Field surface...facilities....etc. Things happen. What if a Russel Wilson gets hurt in his first playoff game? Or many of the scenarios. Things are game to game...week by week. And...sure the goal is to win the SB. But it would be nice for many of these players just to experience a playoff victory. Much more to build forward with.

31 minutes ago, Bleedinggreen93 said:

So every time Wentz feels like he doesn’t have enough help around him we excuse him for dumb decisions???? No it just sounds stupid and wrong.

Playing poorly stats not there maybe teams not winning I can put a ton on the poor roster.... Stupid decisions I can’t there are zero excuses reason whatever you want to call it for it

Again... he needs to own the result.   I pointed out Rodgers throwing the ball away in 2018 ... like 50% more than the 2nd QB .    Green Bay was 6-9-1.    Avoiding mistakes didn't help Green Bay win.   It looked better for Rodgers stats.. QBR, Rating ... you could show him on film throwing passes away to kids and say... look, here is what you need to do ....  still he walked away a loser.     It's a stupid decision I agree .... do you think he makes it if we were up 30 points... if he had confidence his team could win if he simply threw more balls away?    IDK, my guess is when he gets there... and its the Eagles job to put that team around him... if at that point he still makes those mistakes  (which refresh my memory... how many of them were there in 2017????)   If he makes these decisions while everything around him is working.... then we have a problem  For now, we have a 3-4-1 team with a QB that has a poor rating... to me no difference in having a 3-4-1 team with a QB with a better rating.   His poor decisions IMO didn't effect any outcomes the last 5 weeks, I don't think we win vs Pitts or Baltimore if he avoided bad plays, I think our defense not giving up 30 points might help more.  I think Baltimore took their foot off the gas and would have scored 40 if they needed to.   I think his aggressiveness vs Cincy and his physical ability got us the tie.   He stunk vs the Rams, and our D stunk too.  Not one stupid decision, he just played bad.   Washington, IMO his play got us the 17 point lead.... I blame him for those turnovers that put Washington in position to score... not sore they were all bad decisions or throws...but Dog could have avoided any of that by running the ball.  That's the part I'm talking about.     That's the part I expect Doug to improve as usual after the bye week... and as a result, I think that's why we see less dumb plays from Wentz.  It's not going to be because he got any smarter.  He wasn't smarter in 2017 than he is now. 

2017 Oline will be tough to duplicate? Peters was not playing well then got injured. Big V is far from a stud. Seumalo was playing terrible and Wis took over the job. A career just ok G....at best. Brooks, Kelce and Lane were strong. Three studs and two not total nightmares. I can see that being duplicated or even perform better. But that team played together as one. You still think that the Eagles 2017 team was the most talented team in the history of the game. They weren’t. But they had an incredible chemistry and coaching. Those guys jumped in the foxhole together. Oline really comes down to them all being on the same page. Sure you need talent...but alone that doesn’t get things done. 
  Replace one of your tires on your car...with the wrong size tire. Watch how your car runs. That one tire that’s oddball can be the most expensive tire in the shop...but that doesn’t work. Rather have four of the same tires that are mid grade.

On 11/5/2020 at 1:22 PM, UK_EaglesFan89 said:

hy does this team need to be backed in to a corner to start fighting?

IDK. I have said this for quite awhile. Seems we love the underdog role so much, we refuse to take a lead. I remember many times with divisions or "must wins" (Such as Dullaz at home) we came out flatter than a pancake run over by  a steam roller. Other than "freak" plays, we are not doing well at all. For me, it starts with the constant jostling of players. Wentz cannot get used to things because next week it's all different. Even if you have a terrible guy, and he is there every week, you can at least play plan around that weakness. QB's know and understand where that weakness is, and the little clock in their head tells them when it's time to lose the football. Changing every week means Wentz's clock never gets set and he has no clue when the alarm goes off. IDK, IMO that is football 101 regardless of how many star players you have. 

23 minutes ago, cunninghamtheman said:

2017 Oline will be tough to duplicate? Wis took over the job. A career just ok G....at best.

On the ITB podcast, they specifically compared Herbig to Wiz, and said they were similar from a talent standpoint. Basically a guy you can start, but one that you don't want to start.

Kelce and Lane are playing at a high level. Peters looked good last week. If they get Seumalo back and he's 100 percent, there's no reason the line shouldn't be really good, if not the best in the NFC.

18 hours ago, Senhorcook said:

Wow. Love some of the optimism here. Raise my eyebrow to some of the other comments.

Trade deadline is past but I have been swamped with work so I have been catching up reading posts tonight. Trade Lane Johnson or Fletcher Cox? Really? Relegate this team to virtually NO team leaders outside of the QB beyond 2021? Bad idea! HORRIBLE idea! This team has RARELY won over the past 5 years when Lane cant go. Fletcher Cox is 1/2 the defense! So I’m REALLY glad the front office did NOT consider those suggestions. Alshon and DJax, you will be able to pick them up for NOTHING next year.

Ertz? Boy, we as fans have short memories. The dude has been the passing game the last couple of years.

Onto the next issue....the Eagles QB, whom I really like, by the way. Wentz has been horrid! No excuses. Some were excusing the WIND. The WIND! Ahhhh, how about dont throw a rainbow PRAYER when the wind is an issue. There’s a thought.

The fumbles? Dude, your line is on THIRD string guys. You CANNOT hold onto the ball so long.

These are simple things.

Lastly, let’s not kid ourselves. This Eagles team is bad, below average. I detest the Cowpies so much that I NEVER want the Eagles to lose to them. But do I really want the Eagles to win the division THIS year and have a first place schedule and lower draft pick? No way! This team has ZERO chance of going anywhere vs good teams that will make the playoffs. Be honest now; watching the two wins vs NFC EAST foes, after the game I sat there and thought, BOTH OF THESE TEAMS SUCK!

Hard for me to say. This team baffles me every week. Cincy should have been an easy win, then we play games like the Ravens who are arguably a playoff caliber team, and we played them TOUGH. The issue for me is the offense is only playing 30 minutes, and at times 20 minutes. If we can't correct that, it won't matter who is on your roster. I will still harp on Ped waiting until 1/2 time to make adjustments. We cannot win consistently doing this. If you watch say Sean in N.O. you can see he makes his adjustments IN GAME.Sometimes you are merely outgunned, not much can be done about that,but the good coaches adjust as the game goes.They spot a weakness and exploit it until you stop it. Conversely, it seems we go away from what works(aka the running game). For some insane reason Ped finds something that works, says "ok, that works,let's try to get something else to work". Maybe it's just me that sees it? And while it's admirable to get every portion of your game working,don't ignore that things that ARE working

So, we struggled like every other team in this lackluster division. Still, as I recall when you begin the playoffs, every team is 0-0. Now they are talking about a 16 game playoff, which if we won this division would hurt immediately as we would then play an away game vs having a home field vs a wild card. IDK how the league will fix that, but if that happens, we should get some compensation, since they are changing the rules on the fly. A division winner gets home field, its says ZIP about the record you have. If you are 1-15 and everyone else is 0-16, you are still the division winner. I don't want to hear about covid, every team was under the same duress, but changing rules mid season is not something I would support. Not because it's hurts US, but it's just wrong IMO. The rules that began game 1 should last the entire season.

1 hour ago, cunninghamtheman said:

2017 Oline will be tough to duplicate? Peters was not playing well then got injured. Big V is far from a stud. Seumalo was playing terrible and Wis took over the job. A career just ok G....at best. Brooks, Kelce and Lane were strong. Three studs and two not total nightmares. I can see that being duplicated or even perform better. But that team played together as one. You still think that the Eagles 2017 team was the most talented team in the history of the game. They weren’t. But they had an incredible chemistry and coaching. Those guys jumped in the foxhole together. Oline really comes down to them all being on the same page. Sure you need talent...but alone that doesn’t get things done. 
  Replace one of your tires on your car...with the wrong size tire. Watch how your car runs. That one tire that’s oddball can be the most expensive tire in the shop...but that doesn’t work. Rather have four of the same tires that are mid grade.

The OL was great in 2017.  Their performance in the SB was one of the best performances from a cohesive unit I've ever seen.  They allowed zero pressure against a defensive mastermind that threw everything at them all game.  During the season, while there were a few changes with Wiz to Seumalo and Peters getting hurt, Vaitai stepped in and did a good job.  There's a reason he was overpaid in the offseason.  A younger Kelce and Lane, and especially a healthy, dominant Brandon Brooks.  So yes........the 2017 OL will be almost impossible to duplicate.  

23 hours ago, Senhorcook said:

Wow. Love some of the optimism here. Raise my eyebrow to some of the other comments.

Trade deadline is past but I have been swamped with work so I have been catching up reading posts tonight. Trade Lane Johnson or Fletcher Cox? Really? Relegate this team to virtually NO team leaders outside of the QB beyond 2021? Bad idea! HORRIBLE idea! This team has RARELY won over the past 5 years when Lane cant go. Fletcher Cox is 1/2 the defense! So I’m REALLY glad the front office did NOT consider those suggestions. Alshon and DJax, you will be able to pick them up for NOTHING next year.

Ertz? Boy, we as fans have short memories. The dude has been the passing game the last couple of years.

Onto the next issue....the Eagles QB, whom I really like, by the way. Wentz has been horrid! No excuses. Some were excusing the WIND. The WIND! Ahhhh, how about dont throw a rainbow PRAYER when the wind is an issue. There’s a thought.

The fumbles? Dude, your line is on THIRD string guys. You CANNOT hold onto the ball so long.

These are simple things.

Lastly, let’s not kid ourselves. This Eagles team is bad, below average. I detest the Cowpies so much that I NEVER want the Eagles to lose to them. But do I really want the Eagles to win the division THIS year and have a first place schedule and lower draft pick? No way! This team has ZERO chance of going anywhere vs good teams that will make the playoffs. Be honest now; watching the two wins vs NFC EAST foes, after the game I sat there and thought, BOTH OF THESE TEAMS SUCK!

Covid Cap issues next yr. No real guarantee that NExt season won't be Covid impacted, ...Lane and Fletcher one yr older, we should still inquire about moving Any and All players if the price is right... We want some return assets, on our aging stars....can't wait for them to start breaking down! GM are smarter now.or we won't get anything. Gotta find  New, Young team leaders that is the nature in football.

Unless you in Philly where you let all the young talent go to other teams and hold on to aging stars that seem to break down two or three times a season . I love DJax as a player...Don't want him back...not even for NOTHING...what we got in two years of DJax was 1 1/2 games in two years. Sorry. Alshon thanks for the SB but time to go.. Ertz is another favorite player, but after doing team friendly deals . Zach was anticipating the Eagles would keep him in at least the Top 3 in pay ...they didn't...Ertz has left the building. 

Where we agree , this has been a horrendous first half not only for Wentz but the Coaches on O and D have Really sucked   Big Red and most of his coaching tree perform stronger towards the end of the season We do also.  I am an Eagles fanatic as bad as the first half of this season has been we will see EARLY if Wentz is capable of turning the team around and STOP the HERO Ball. Can Peedy  and his Coaches do a better job in the second half with the team getting healthier? Until The FAT LADY Sings...If we get to the Playoffs, NOT BUYING..."0 .... ZERO chance of going anywhere... Will Carson be better if he gets another crack at the playoffs"... I expect Wentz and the coaches to be better, It starts next week... Play ball, let the chips fall where they may.

7 hours ago, joemas6 said:

Yeah... agreed.. not a cop out... just saying I believe in his head he still thinks he needs to make the plays.   As a fan, you were looking at a 30 point " Domination"   remember. no excuse for all these rookies not to " dominate"   I was saying the defense needed to dominate, the offense isn't good enough to dominate.  Not the one of the field vs Dallas.  Maybe in a few weeks though, we shall see.     Dumb play, yes... but in his head we weren't the dominant team with a 30 point lead yet in the 1st quarter, so he was still playing hero ball.  WE are saying the same thing, his mistake... just seems we are on different pages as to what we want to see.    You want mistake free ok Wentz with a crappy team... I want to see dominant Wentz with a good team.  

You put a crappy team with Peyton Manning and Michael Vick in their primes... Vick would do " less worse"      You put a really good team with those guys, Manning will do better.   I want Wentz to do great with a good team... not worried about him doing average with a bad team.   I don't think the two things necessarily go hand in hand.  

Sorry joe..Love Carson, still want to see him as a top QB I am with BG 93 a 1st yr or 2nd yr QB putting a good or bad team around a young QB could certainly impact his game but a 5th yr player... His play has been plain ...Unacceptable.

7 hours ago, Bleedinggreen93 said:

I think Wentz is a good QB but not going to ignore the fact he has made numerous question decisions that just shouldn’t happen with a 5th year player. And blaming anything else is just a cop out and BS to ignore it

Agreed, but there has to be consequences for his poor play his game is clearly slipping.

6 hours ago, cunninghamtheman said:

2017 Oline will be tough to duplicate? Peters was not playing well then got injured. Big V is far from a stud. Seumalo was playing terrible and Wis took over the job. A career just ok G....at best. Brooks, Kelce and Lane were strong. Three studs and two not total nightmares. I can see that being duplicated or even perform better. But that team played together as one. You still think that the Eagles 2017 team was the most talented team in the history of the game. They weren’t. But they had an incredible chemistry and coaching. Those guys jumped in the foxhole together. Oline really comes down to them all being on the same page. Sure you need talent...but alone that doesn’t get things done. 
  Replace one of your tires on your car...with the wrong size tire. Watch how your car runs. That one tire that’s oddball can be the most expensive tire in the shop...but that doesn’t work. Rather have four of the same tires that are mid grade.

Sounds good. Except many experts had Peters playing at pro bowl level when he got hurt... and regardless.. tell me how easy it is to duplicate having the 3 best at their positions..  all right next to each other.. C, RG,RT.  

You are a student of the game, go back in history and find me how many OLs had 3 guys in a row that good..  while having as you said... 2 other spots that were solid?   Dallas has had very good OLs lately????  Really was only 2 years where it was 5 solid spots without a weakness while having 3 studs.   Pittsburgh has a good OL, one G and C up there, the rest solid.   It will be hard enough to duplicate Kelce, Brooks and Lane, and harder to do it without a weakness elsewhere.  Harder to do it healthy for a season.  So yeah... all 3 aspects to me, say it will be harder to duplicate that level of OL... much harder... than to duplicate, Alshon, Smith, Agholor, etc at the skill spots.  Especially when the starting point at the skill positions could be Fulgham, Reagor, Goedert and Sanders.   Another solid RB and a TE that can block gets us pretty close.   What do we have at OL that looks like the 2017 versions of Kelce, Brooks and Lane?   I'm just hoping we can get 5 ... as you put it ... " not total nightmares"  

Fast forward 2 years, which unit you feel is looking more promising?   

6 hours ago, GreenbleedinNC said:

Hard for me to say. This team baffles me every week. Cincy should have been an easy win, then we play games like the Ravens who are arguably a playoff caliber team, and we played them TOUGH. The issue for me is the offense is only playing 30 minutes, and at times 20 minutes. If we can't correct that, it won't matter who is on your roster. I will still harp on Ped waiting until 1/2 time to make adjustments. We cannot win consistently doing this. If you watch say Sean in N.O. you can see he makes his adjustments IN GAME.Sometimes you are merely outgunned, not much can be done about that,but the good coaches adjust as the game goes.They spot a weakness and exploit it until you stop it. Conversely, it seems we go away from what works(aka the running game). For some insane reason Ped finds something that works, says "ok, that works,let's try to get something else to work". Maybe it's just me that sees it? And while it's admirable to get every portion of your game working,don't ignore that things that ARE working

One of the things I liked about Chip.   He was not afraid to call the same play over and over if it worked.  It was refreshing after 14 years of E= MC2 type of overthinking.   Doug follows Andy there .. more so since Reich left.   Hit them with the left jab until they block it.   But again, I feel Doug also improves on this specific issue towards the end of the last few seasons.   We shall see.