33 minutes ago, cunninghamtheman said:

Exactly a link showing how you are failing to see. Think you can figure this one out yourself. Start at his draft. Then see how he was forced in from the start. But then went backwards on his actual production. But then it all came full circle in the last game where he was chosen…again…. and failed.

Gainwell never started, Scott started 2 games. How is Gainwell preferred??? Gainwell was a round 5 pick,but you are expecting round 2 stats? Scott worked his tail off to get to "round 5 stats" Great for him!!! The alternative was to quit and go home. So technically they are both round 5 talents

18 minutes ago, cunninghamtheman said:

Even preferred and the chosen guy….he isn’t…and can’t be a starter. Not in his capabilities. Yet still got the call in the SB over Scott. Good additional point towards the mistake that was made.

The post season stats I showed(if you can read a stats sheet) show Gainwell was the better RB(other than Sanders). You can say what you want,but the stats don't lie. Neither did squat in the SB. So kudos to the KC D line for snuffing them both out. When your RB's "best guy" gets 3 YPC,you are in trouble. Preference or not,they were all pretty awful

So now it's a new season,with new RB's and some old ones. I would suspect Swift and Penny will be the "preferred" RB's and Scott and Gains will be back to filling in on 3rd downs IF the play calls for it. I have no clue what we do with Sermon(if anything) and I can't rule out picking up another RB later

16 minutes ago, cunninghamtheman said:

In the SB I play Scott…probably brings a parade if that decision was made instead.

With less YPC going in you would?

I'm very interested to see how this supplemental draft goes. Could see us picking up an additional RB using next years pick, maybe an additional WR to make that room better also

https://www.msn.com/en-us/sports/nfl/how-the-nfl-supplemental-draft-works-what-you-need-to-know-for-2023/ar-AA1cBVla  So IDK who is involved yet. I'm sure we will know fairly soon who is available,but with our record,we would be far down the list unless we're willing to give up more than a less win team

https://theathletic.com/4617204/2023/06/19/nfl-supplemental-draft-players/  Milton Wright is the only one approved as of now

6 hours ago, cunninghamtheman said:

But you see how Siri drafted him and has preferred him. Just given him most every opportunity. Every chance to succeed.  Yet he hasn’t really come through still. If you use any open minded fair evaluation it’s pretty easy to grade this poorly. It’s not just on the player. It’s on the coaches. You have to wonder if they didn’t so try to shove Gainwell in so badly If we couldn’t have even won the SB. 7 carries for 21 yards. His and Sanders combined struggles killed the opportunities they chose to even give the RBs in that game. Sanders was injured…but can’t excuse the fumbling either. Gainwell rushed for 3 yards a pop and received for 5 yards a pop. Easily replaceable player with those pathetic numbers. Just think it is easy, in hindsight, to assume Scott would have done better. That this forcing of his drafted player hindered us. That Siri didn’t value Scott. Scott forced him to change his opinion some what.  Only enough to roster Scott. Gainwell was forced into trying to be the option. But losing the starter last season showed Gainwell wasn’t near up to that task. Scott was clearly the guy needed to step up. But then after all this played out it came down to the SB game. Went with Gainwell instead of Scott. That performance was fairly damning of Gainwell. But the main knock is on the coach.

Player X...   two years left on his cheap contract.    Player plays a position where the team uses a committee.  The GM drafted him.  The coach likes him.   Nobody else at his position is under contract past this year.

Player X will be on the team the next 2 years. 

The main knock is on the coach who took a team to the Superbowl his 2nd year though.

In reality...nobody is knocking the coach.   Not on planet earth anyway.

11 hours ago, GreenbleedinNC said:

Genius,tell Siri. We win if Hurts doesn't give away a free 6. We lost because we didn't have the discipline. I'm doubting 1 play by Scott changes the game outcome LOL

Not one play, just the nod for those opportunities as the number two. Sanders they stuck with too long it looks like. But then go to Scott. The RB carries  dried up because they weren’t successful. Had to get the job done any other way. On the day of the SB Scott was our best RB option. Didn’t go to him though. Pretty clear and obvious mistake.

11 hours ago, GreenbleedinNC said:

The post season stats I showed(if you can read a stats sheet) show Gainwell was the better RB(other than Sanders). You can say what you want,but the stats don't lie. Neither did squat in the SB. So kudos to the KC D line for snuffing them both out. When your RB's "best guy" gets 3 YPC,you are in trouble. Preference or not,they were all pretty awful

Go with the best guy…Scott…was my point

11 hours ago, GreenbleedinNC said:

The post season stats I showed(if you can read a stats sheet) show Gainwell was the better RB(other than Sanders). You can say what you want,but the stats don't lie. Neither did squat in the SB. So kudos to the KC D line for snuffing them both out. When your RB's "best guy" gets 3 YPC,you are in trouble. Preference or not,they were all pretty awful

You rely too heavily on thinking stats are everything. Playing sports it always comes down to what you can do…that second. That snap….who are the best options? Always evolving and evaluating. 

5 hours ago, joemas6 said:

Player X...   two years left on his cheap contract.    Player plays a position where the team uses a committee.  The GM drafted him.  The coach likes him.   Nobody else at his position is under contract past this year.

Player X will be on the team the next 2 years. 

The main knock is on the coach who took a team to the Superbowl his 2nd year though.

In reality...nobody is knocking the coach.   Not on planet earth anyway.

How does any of this make it not fall on the coach losing the SB? Two years left on his cheap contract…or other player we resign cheap to however long we want. Go with the right guy to win the SB. Two years down the line contract didn’t get the job done in Zona. 

11 hours ago, GreenbleedinNC said:

https://www.msn.com/en-us/sports/nfl/how-the-nfl-supplemental-draft-works-what-you-need-to-know-for-2023/ar-AA1cBVla  So IDK who is involved yet. I'm sure we will know fairly soon who is available,but with our record,we would be far down the list unless we're willing to give up more than a less win team

Kind of feels like overpaying for a long shot risk. Hard to imagine he’s considered more than developmental. So if we spend a pick on him then you have to roster him to protect him however long. Kind of feels most likely to be nothing more than dead weight this season. Easier to justify carrying dead weight if you are a team coming off four wins. Every week during the season there is always roster jostling. Having to roster guys not suiting up makes that all the more difficult. Position this team is in currently? Can’t really afford dead weight on contending teams.

1 hour ago, cunninghamtheman said:

How does any of this make it not fall on the coach losing the SB? Two years left on his cheap contract…or other player we resign cheap to however long we want. Go with the right guy to win the SB. Two years down the line contract didn’t get the job done in Zona. 

The offense punted twice.   The QB fumbled it away once.  35 points.   Perhaps the issue is the guy that you want to bring back from Arizona?  

I think you need to move on to 2023.  But seriously,  therapy might be a solution for someone who thinks Boston Scott getting more snaps was the issue. 

13 hours ago, cunninghamtheman said:

Not one play, just the nod for those opportunities as the number two. Sanders they stuck with too long it looks like. But then go to Scott. The RB carries  dried up because they weren’t successful. Had to get the job done any other way. On the day of the SB Scott was our best RB option. Didn’t go to him though. Pretty clear and obvious mistake.

Nope,maybe the D coaches figure out how to stuff the run? Like that never happens? If you have 3 non effective RB's it's not because of the defense? We have a great O line,doesn't mean they can't be defensed from time to time. Simple math,we blew a 10 point lead. You can't pinpoint the exact play,you have to bash the entire 2nd 1/2 play calling,bad plays, crap kicking game,there is a whole plethora to choose from,but to say 1 undrafted RB would have won the game is ludicrous and once again the post season game stats told Siri to play Gainwell over Scott. You play the guy that was hot through post season(that was Gainwell) mI laid it all out for you already I'm not doing it again

13 hours ago, cunninghamtheman said:

Go with the best guy…Scott…was my point

The point is he WASNT THE BEST GUY!!! I showed you the stats-jesus

13 hours ago, cunninghamtheman said:

You rely too heavily on thinking stats are everything. Playing sports it always comes down to what you can do…that second. That snap….who are the best options? Always evolving and evaluating. 

LMFAO ok so you would play the guy(RB 2) that had 2.4 YPC over the guy with 3.0?? That's your answer to the big game loss??? Really??? I'm thinking this would be the least likely highlight (lowlight) as to why we gave up a 10 point lead. Apparently everything was working in the first 1/2,but suddenly playing Gainwell was the wrong answer in the second? Maybe they made defensive adjustments we had no answer for? So your argument is to put the lesser of 2 backs in to win the game while discounting that your QB gave KC a free 6-ok got it

19 hours ago, joemas6 said:

Player X...   two years left on his cheap contract.    Player plays a position where the team uses a committee.  The GM drafted him.  The coach likes him.   Nobody else at his position is under contract past this year.

Player X will be on the team the next 2 years. 

The main knock is on the coach who took a team to the Superbowl his 2nd year though.

In reality...nobody is knocking the coach.   Not on planet earth anyway.

Bad reffing-coaches fault,crap field-coaches fault, not playing the least effective RB2 coming in in the second 1/2 with a 10 point lead-,coaches fault, crap punting-on the coach, Hurts dropping one for a free 6-obviously bad coaching again. Siri needs to go. C'mon Joe,this is so obvious 🤣

13 hours ago, cunninghamtheman said:

Kind of feels like overpaying for a long shot risk. Hard to imagine he’s considered more than developmental. So if we spend a pick on him then you have to roster him to protect him however long. Kind of feels most likely to be nothing more than dead weight this season. Easier to justify carrying dead weight if you are a team coming off four wins. Every week during the season there is always roster jostling. Having to roster guys not suiting up makes that all the more difficult. Position this team is in currently? Can’t really afford dead weight on contending teams.

IDK that it's any more risky than making a pick in the same place in the regular draft? There is only 1 player at this point maybe a 4th 5th round prospect. So whats the difference if you give up a 4th next year,or wait and give up a 4th in the regular draft next time for a WR? If he has the talent you want,then he's worth a 4th no matter what year it is. Our WR room is "sketchy" after you get past the 3 starters and occheus(or whatever his name is) and he is a BU for Quez,so basically we have NO BU's to speak of the our top 2 WR's. So adding a possible BU NOW,gives us a BU THIS year. IDK that that is a "waste" for me. Love our starters,but we saw before when we lost both Alshon and Djax that it's hard to compete. if I can get a guy in(who has the talent obviously) and knowing I have alot of picks next year,why would I wait if he can make my team better NOW???. bad part is we would have to exceed anyone elses offer being low down in the list. So let the staff decide what pick he is worth. Of he can be a nice BU for 3-4 years or a drop in slot on some plays that's fine by me(see Ward) IDK why you assume it's overpaying because he could not appear in the last draft. he has some nice stats and lord know we could use a better upgrade BU in our WR room. He would be a cheap addition who is YOUNG. NP with it from me. I look at it like getting a jump on next years draft not a holdover from this one. Gives him slot of time to get acclimated for use in the '24 season. Maybe he comes along enough to be a viable BU down the stretch. I see more +'s than con's. of course he needs the required talent. If he is better than another "dead weight" WR we are carrying,what is your issue?

A star? Nope. Not fast, a possession type and I understand it's college,but he seems to get open enough to give the QB a window to throw into and isn't that the basic job of a WR?? be fine with him as a BU prospect. let the staff sort out how high of a pick they would give for him personally a 5th for me. Knowing they have more in depth scouting than I could ever do,perhaps they feel he is worth a 4th. IMO that's really not a huge overpay for a kid that can be a viable BU in post season should one of your top 2 go down. maybe offer a 5th and 6th or whatever,that's on the staff. If another team offers a 4th we would have to give up that and another late pick,which we have. I'm not basing my offense around him LOL ,but seems he would be a small upgrade to who we have now. he can play all 3 positions,none terribly well,however it gives us flexibility in the even t we lose 1 or 2 starters. I suspect we let him go elsewhere,but I would not be mad if we added him 

https://www.espn.com/college-football/player/gamelog/_/id/4426504  I like him better than Jjaw(HAHAHAHA)

Unfounded rumor-Zeke to the Pats

8 hours ago, GreenbleedinNC said:

IDK that it's any more risky than making a pick in the same place in the regular draft? There is only 1 player at this point maybe a 4th 5th round prospect. So whats the difference if you give up a 4th next year,or wait and give up a 4th in the regular draft next time for a WR? If he has the talent you want,then he's worth a 4th no matter what year it is. Our WR room is "sketchy" after you get past the 3 starters and occheus(or whatever his name is) and he is a BU for Quez,so basically we have NO BU's to speak of the our top 2 WR's. So adding a possible BU NOW,gives us a BU THIS year. IDK that that is a "waste" for me. Love our starters,but we saw before when we lost both Alshon and Djax that it's hard to compete. if I can get a guy in(who has the talent obviously) and knowing I have alot of picks next year,why would I wait if he can make my team better NOW???. bad part is we would have to exceed anyone elses offer being low down in the list. So let the staff decide what pick he is worth. Of he can be a nice BU for 3-4 years or a drop in slot on some plays that's fine by me(see Ward) IDK why you assume it's overpaying because he could not appear in the last draft. he has some nice stats and lord know we could use a better upgrade BU in our WR room. He would be a cheap addition who is YOUNG. NP with it from me. I look at it like getting a jump on next years draft not a holdover from this one. Gives him slot of time to get acclimated for use in the '24 season. Maybe he comes along enough to be a viable BU down the stretch. I see more +'s than con's. of course he needs the required talent. If he is better than another "dead weight" WR we are carrying,what is your issue?

Not so sure Quez optimal position is the slot. Believe Olamide Zaccheaus thrives in the slot. Have Britain Covey and Devon Allen as return men that potentially fit the slot. Have Ngata and Rambo that could prove worthy of earning a backup role.

Seems to me Greg Ward already proved he can get it done if called upon.

1 hour ago, cunninghamtheman said:

Not so sure Quez optimal position is the slot. Believe Olamide Zaccheaus thrives in the slot. Have Britain Covey and Devon Allen as return men that potentially fit the slot. Have Ngata and Rambo that could prove worthy of earning a backup role.

Welp,that's where he plays LOL. Covey and Allen are MEH at this point,and returners,not guys that can fill a hole for Smith or AJ. You keep demanding quality,then go off using "average" BU's we have as examples we are ok at WR,when in fact the BUs' are weak. So it seems you argue just to argue since you play both sides of this coin. Know zero about Zacch playing with THIS team. He's probably ok as a BU. Ward is fair but it's sad when that is your best BU after this amount of time. We could use a young hotshot addition to learn and grow within the system. I don't see that guy on this team