14 hours ago, GreenbleedinNC said:

Welp,that's where he plays LOL. Covey and Allen are MEH at this point,and returners,not guys that can fill a hole for Smith or AJ. You keep demanding quality,then go off using "average" BU's we have as examples we are ok at WR,when in fact the BUs' are weak. So it seems you argue just to argue since you play both sides of this coin. Know zero about Zacch playing with THIS team. He's probably ok as a BU. Ward is fair but it's sad when that is your best BU after this amount of time. We could use a young hotshot addition to learn and grow within the system. I don't see that guy on this team

I’m telling you Quez might have been miscast some. He’s your backup for AJ or DeVonta. Zach is a true slot WR. Kind of thinking he’s the best option there. Covey is coming off his first season. Wasn’t some high pick. Some development time is expected. Seemed to keep improving with the returner job as the year went on. Never broke a return unfortunately though. Expect he’ll contribute more as a receiver year two. Listed off the competition behind them. The key point is not just going along the thinking of a receiver is a receiver. All kinds of different roles to be filled. All kinds of abilities in these backups. Can’t fit square pegs in round holes though.

3 hours ago, cunninghamtheman said:

I’m telling you Quez might have been miscast some. He’s your backup for AJ or DeVonta. Zach is a true slot WR. Kind of thinking he’s the best option there. Covey is coming off his first season. Wasn’t some high pick. Some development time is expected. Seemed to keep improving with the returner job as the year went on. Never broke a return unfortunately though. Expect he’ll contribute more as a receiver year two. Listed off the competition behind them. The key point is not just going along the thinking of a receiver is a receiver. All kinds of different roles to be filled. All kinds of abilities in these backups. Can’t fit square pegs in round holes though.

So we're taking in receivers who aren't receivers? That would be grounds for mismanagement. Define "true" slot receiver. Basically they are guys that cannot handle the outside routes or be deep threats. TE 2/3 can play in the slot, Allen can play in the slot,almost anyone can play in the slot. They key for the slot spot is giving the QB an outlet window (and also catching the ball) so for me it's not that Quez is miscast,it's because he is not good enough to play outside. not real hard to figure out. It's why slot guys go cheap in FA. As far as draftees you look at guys like JJ who played the slot but HE was the one miscast and I could easily see he could play anywhere. But if you can't transition quickly,you will be relegated to getting "slot WR" pay. Quez never made that transition,neither did Zach. We need 2 guys who can step in for AJ and Smith and they are NOT on this roster. I'm not too worried about ST players until I see them play in a serious role and I haven't seen that either. The "key point" should be to find receivers who can receive. I will hold judgement on Zach until I see him play HERE. I don't care what he did before(much like Swift and Penny)

Well since there's no football going on i got a chuckle out of this

 

Fred was in the fertilized egg business. He had several hundred young pullets, and ten roosters to fertilize the eggs

He kept records, and any rooster not performing went into the soup pot and was replaced.

This took a lot of time, so he bought some tiny bells and attached them to his roosters.

Each bell had a different tone, so he could tell from a distance, which rooster was performing.

Now, he could sit on the porch and fill out an efficiency report by just listening to the bells.

Fred's favourite rooster, old Butch, was a very fine specimen, but this morning he noticed old Butch's bell hadn't rung at all!

When he went to investigate, he saw the other roosters were busy chasing pullets, bells-a-ringing, but the pullets, hearing the roosters coming, would run for cover.

To Fred's amazement, old Butch had his bell in his beak, so it couldn't ring. He'd sneak up on a pullet, do his job and walk on to the next one.

Fred was so proud of old Butch, he entered him in the City Show and he became an overnight sensation among the judges.

The result was the judges not only awarded old Butch the "No Bell Piece Prize," but they also awarded him the "Pulletsurprise" as well.

Clearly old Butch was a politician in the making.

Who else but a politician could figure out how to win two of the most coveted awards on our planet by being the best at sneaking up on the unsuspecting populace and screwing them when they weren't paying attention.

 

Vote carefully in the next election, you can't always hear the bells.

1 hour ago, GreenbleedinNC said:

So we're taking in receivers who aren't receivers? That would be grounds for mismanagement. Define "true" slot receiver. Basically they are guys that cannot handle the outside routes or be deep threats. TE 2/3 can play in the slot, Allen can play in the slot,almost anyone can play in the slot. They key for the slot spot is giving the QB an outlet window (and also catching the ball) so for me it's not that Quez is miscast,it's because he is not good enough to play outside. not real hard to figure out. It's why slot guys go cheap in FA. As far as draftees you look at guys like JJ who played the slot but HE was the one miscast and I could easily see he could play anywhere. But if you can't transition quickly,you will be relegated to getting "slot WR" pay. Quez never made that transition,neither did Zach. We need 2 guys who can step in for AJ and Smith and they are NOT on this roster. I'm not too worried about ST players until I see them play in a serious role and I haven't seen that either. The "key point" should be to find receivers who can receive. I will hold judgement on Zach until I see him play HERE. I don't care what he did before(much like Swift and Penny)

I disagree.  Quez is a speed guy, really ideal for the outside WR spot that goes opposite the #1 WR.    Speed though, is not the same as quickness...the slot guy needs to be able to get open in a phone booth.   DeSean for example,not a good slot guy...he needed time to get open deep,that's why he basically was worthless in the red zone.   

With Quez, they didn't necessarily have him in the slot all the time ..that's a misperception of the #3 WR.   He was the 3rd WR on the field, but they sed all 3 in the slot at times. 

I agree with Ham,the local kid that played for ATL seems more natural fit in the slot.   They can use everyone differently.  I think the depth is actually better now if one of the 2 main WRs goes off the field.   

I also like Darnold as a backup TE on the field with Goedert in the 2 TE set. 

Both situations better than last year...but the question is by how much?   

It's why I liked the idea of getting another "no doubt starter" at the 4th receiving weapon.    The significant upgrade over the subtle one.   Maybe one steps up...or maybe we get that next year?   Or later on prior to the trade deadline...who knows.  Looking forward to the season though. 

 

 

4 hours ago, GreenbleedinNC said:

So we're taking in receivers who aren't receivers? That would be grounds for mismanagement. Define "true" slot receiver. Basically they are guys that cannot handle the outside routes or be deep threats. TE 2/3 can play in the slot, Allen can play in the slot,almost anyone can play in the slot. They key for the slot spot is giving the QB an outlet window (and also catching the ball) so for me it's not that Quez is miscast,it's because he is not good enough to play outside. not real hard to figure out. It's why slot guys go cheap in FA. As far as draftees you look at guys like JJ who played the slot but HE was the one miscast and I could easily see he could play anywhere. But if you can't transition quickly,you will be relegated to getting "slot WR" pay. Quez never made that transition,neither did Zach. We need 2 guys who can step in for AJ and Smith and they are NOT on this roster. I'm not too worried about ST players until I see them play in a serious role and I haven't seen that either. The "key point" should be to find receivers who can receive. I will hold judgement on Zach until I see him play HERE. I don't care what he did before(much like Swift and Penny)

Terrible argument. Each different position just isn’t the same. Many different TE position even. Players having versatility to fill multiple roles is one thing. But each job is different. You have it or you don’t. Zac being a true slot guy. Not saying he’s the best guy ever in the slot. Just saying it’s his true position.

Outside positions aren’t even equal. I just don’t know where to begin to explain all this to you

But a slot guy isn’t just because he’s third best. It’s a different job. 

Quez I believe is an outside receiver more. Can break it down even further. But that’s where he can thrive and is natural.

Some WR positions are starting at the line of scrimmage. Some off the line. Huge difference. That space. Some need it to succeed. They can’t get off the press.

I think Britain Covey showed some skills at receiver. He can contribute. He needed development. Plus opportunity.

Can easily at least see Covey running a screen or reverse

A Go route

Allen did have a big deep ball catch. So he has some ability as a deep threat receiver.

Allen I’d think can do well with screens. Run a deep post. A Go. Some kind of crossing patterns.

We also brought in a former teammate of Hurts. Would think they could work together in some capacities. As a backup level option at least.

6 hours ago, joemas6 said:

I disagree.  Quez is a speed guy, really ideal for the outside WR spot that goes opposite the #1 WR.    Speed though, is not the same as quickness...the slot guy needs to be able to get open in a phone booth.   DeSean for example,not a good slot guy...he needed time to get open deep,that's why he basically was worthless in the red zone.   

With Quez, they didn't necessarily have him in the slot all the time ..that's a misperception of the #3 WR.   He was the 3rd WR on the field, but they sed all 3 in the slot at times. 

I agree with Ham,the local kid that played for ATL seems more natural fit in the slot.   They can use everyone differently.  I think the depth is actually better now if one of the 2 main WRs goes off the field.   

I also like Darnold as a backup TE on the field with Goedert in the 2 TE set. 

Both situations better than last year...but the question is by how much?   

It's why I liked the idea of getting another "no doubt starter" at the 4th receiving weapon.    The significant upgrade over the subtle one.   Maybe one steps up...or maybe we get that next year?   Or later on prior to the trade deadline...who knows.  Looking forward to the season though. 

 

 

OH no speed needed in the slot? OK we disagree. If he was good enough outside we would not have drafted Smith(or spent a later pick). Why is he not outside? Another 1 trick pony like the loser we drafted instead of JJ. Personally I like to throw different looks in the slot(just me). Mix up speed, a BIG possession guy(or TE) and keep the defense off balance. I hope the new slot guy can hold onto the ball unlike Quez who seems to have fallen out of favor as a clutch guy,chokes at bad times(not that there is a good time) and that's not something I want to see with my outside guys. I need glue hands outside. So we disagree,that's fine. I still believe the room is weak,so we agree another impact type receiver or TE should be the goal. Maybe Calc steps up. IDK maybe Quez can BU Smith and thats why we added the new slot guy. New team,so I agree I need to see things first  

2 hours ago, cunninghamtheman said:

Terrible argument. Each different position just isn’t the same. Many different TE position even. Players having versatility to fill multiple roles is one thing. But each job is different. You have it or you don’t. Zac being a true slot guy. Not saying he’s the best guy ever in the slot. Just saying it’s his true position.

If it's so terrible an argument why are you agreeing with it?? LOL. I don't need 12 guys who are jacks of all trades and masters of none. Nice to have versatility to a point,then it becomes overkill

3 hours ago, cunninghamtheman said:

Quez I believe is an outside receiver more. Can break it down even further. But that’s where he can thrive and is natural.

SO why draft Smith? because sorry,Quez doesn't have the talent to be effective outside. He's just like the loser you wanted(and we got) over JJ. The 1 trick pony that all teams can stop. I never said the slot was the third best guy,putting words in my mouth again. Look at JJ(who can play out as well) However slot guys are cheap because it's hard to man the outside spots and finding true killer slot guys like JJ is tough to do.Being fast isn't enough we saw that with Reagor and why Quez is relegated to the slot and why we went out and got Smith. You don't need to "explain" squat to me, but lets not overrate the players,try some reality. Quez is really a BU talent we started because we had noone else and I hope the new guy makes a bigger impact.I'm neither a Quez fan nor a hater. i can take him or leave him. Wouldn't shock me if we picked up another teams cut before the season starts. We made the mistake with Reagor, why would we make the same mistake putting Quez out? I suppose he is fine as a BU to Smith and I'm fine with him min that role. I didn't research the new guy,I will do that to become more informed

2 hours ago, cunninghamtheman said:

Some WR positions are starting at the line of scrimmage. Some off the line. Huge difference. That space. Some need it to succeed. They can’t get off the press.

Yes, I understand X,Y,Z lol 

3 hours ago, cunninghamtheman said:

Allen I’d think can do well with screens. Run a deep post. A Go. Some kind of crossing patterns.

IDK,for me the issue is he needs to be football 24/7 and his track career comes first and he needed to re-learn football,but until he's ready to quit track IDK how long that roster spot stays open for him. I think he can contribute also,but he needs to be "all in" with this team. I'm fairly surprised he's not doing what we use Covey to do. Seems to me he would be better at it on ST's. I just want to see some sold BU talent emerge while I am still alive 🤣

I'm also seriously(ok Joe bash me if you want) not thrilled with the punter talent we brought in. Seems like he sucks too. Been no reporting about him,so it's not like he's setting things on fire. Like to get better there also, especially after the weak SB showing at the position. Gotta man up when you're in the big games

So I'm fine if Quez is the BU to Smith. maybe that was the plan 

41 minutes ago, GreenbleedinNC said:

OH no speed needed in the slot? OK we disagree. If he was good enough outside we would not have drafted Smith(or spent a later pick). Why is he not outside? Another 1 trick pony like the loser we drafted instead of JJ. Personally I like to throw different looks in the slot(just me). Mix up speed, a BIG possession guy(or TE) and keep the defense off balance. I hope the new slot guy can hold onto the ball unlike Quez who seems to have fallen out of favor as a clutch guy,chokes at bad times(not that there is a good time) and that's not something I want to see with my outside guys. I need glue hands outside. So we disagree,that's fine. I still believe the room is weak,so we agree another impact type receiver or TE should be the goal. Maybe Calc steps up. IDK maybe Quez can BU Smith and thats why we added the new slot guy. New team,so I agree I need to see things first  

Julian Edlemen, Wes Welker, Danny Amendola, and the little dude for the Raiders...  you see them as speed guys?   Or more so guys that are quick?

DeSean and Quez, great top end speed... but not quickness coming out of breaks.   

There is a difference between getting open immediately with a guy on you in a small space...vs pulling away from a DB 40 yards down field. 

One is quickness... the other is speed. 

46 minutes ago, GreenbleedinNC said:

OH no speed needed in the slot? OK we disagree. If he was good enough outside we would not have drafted Smith(or spent a later pick). Why is he not outside? Another 1 trick pony like the loser we drafted instead of JJ. Personally I like to throw different looks in the slot(just me). Mix up speed, a BIG possession guy(or TE) and keep the defense off balance. I hope the new slot guy can hold onto the ball unlike Quez who seems to have fallen out of favor as a clutch guy,chokes at bad times(not that there is a good time) and that's not something I want to see with my outside guys. I need glue hands outside. So we disagree,that's fine. I still believe the room is weak,so we agree another impact type receiver or TE should be the goal. Maybe Calc steps up. IDK maybe Quez can BU Smith and thats why we added the new slot guy. New team,so I agree I need to see things first  

So...

1.  Why draft Smith?   Simple, BPA in the position of need.

2.  I absolutely agree...Quez ideal spot is to backup Smith.  

And yes, with the dude from ATL... he can play slot,... as a receiver more so that Pascal was more for blocking.  

Again... for me, I would have preferred the no doubt starter in that role... the guy who is both the clear best option over Quez, ATL guy, Darnold, Stoll...etc... who would have also been seen as limited drop off if one of the 2 main guys goes out.

One guy all in one... instead we lost the blocker Pascal...but got the better slot weapon with the ATL guy.   The extra year experience for the other guys also is a upgrade in my eyes.   

But.... I'm seeing it as a slight upgrade with potential...not the guaranteed huge upgrade that would have been say with a top free agent or draft pick.

It is what it is .... for now.