2 hours ago, Trini said:

Covid Cap issues next yr. No real guarantee that NExt season won't be Covid impacted, ...Lane and Fletcher one yr older, we should still inquire about moving Any and All players if the price is right... We want some return assets, on our aging stars....can't wait for them to start breaking down! GM are smarter now.or we won't get anything. Gotta find  New, Young team leaders that is the nature in football.

Unless you in Philly where you let all the young talent go to other teams and hold on to aging stars that seem to break down two or three times a season . I love DJax as a player...Don't want him back...not even for NOTHING...what we got in two years of DJax was 1 1/2 games in two years. Sorry. Alshon thanks for the SB but time to go.. Ertz is another favorite player, but after doing team friendly deals . Zach was anticipating the Eagles would keep him in at least the Top 3 in pay ...they didn't...Ertz has left the building. 

Where we agree , this has been a horrendous first half not only for Wentz but the Coaches on O and D have Really sucked   Big Red and most of his coaching tree perform stronger towards the end of the season We do also.  I am an Eagles fanatic as bad as the first half of this season has been we will see EARLY if Wentz is capable of turning the team around and STOP the HERO Ball. Can Peedy  and his Coaches do a better job in the second half with the team getting healthier? Until The FAT LADY Sings...If we get to the Playoffs, NOT BUYING..."0 .... ZERO chance of going anywhere... Will Carson be better if he gets another crack at the playoffs"... I expect Wentz and the coaches to be better, It starts next week... Play ball, let the chips fall where they may.

Sorry joe..Love Carson, still want to see him as a top QB I am with BG 93 a 1st yr or 2nd yr QB putting a good or bad team around a young QB could certainly impact his game but a 5th yr player... His play has been plain ...Unacceptable.

 

Again.... where am I disagreeing with you?   I said he has to own his result.    I just want his team to own the fact that they put him in a bad spot.   Nothing comes easy at all...

1. OL bad.   2. WRs new.  3. No run game being used.  4. Defense not great except vs Haskins, Mullens and Dinucci.   5. No OC.      

Fix things around him... let him then worry about the rest.   

9 hours ago, GreenbleedinNC said:

Changing every week means Wentz's clock never gets set and he has no clue when the alarm goes off.

See i do agree with this but... A QB in his fifth year should surely recognise that with changing pieces around him the timer in his head should be shorter than usual. So get rid of the football quicker. The OL with so many changes isn't going to block better for you until they get their starters back. 

9 hours ago, joemas6 said:

Again.... where am I disagreeing with you?   I said he has to own his result.    I just want his team to own the fact that they put him in a bad spot.   Nothing comes easy at all...

1. OL bad.   2. WRs new.  3. No run game being used.  4. Defense not great except vs Haskins, Mullens and Dinucci.   5. No OC.      

Fix things around him... let him then worry about the rest.   

I don’t think we are necessarily disagreeing either but think I’m separating the two issues as they should be.

OL that tough lost what 6-8 OL no team could handle that think we have done best we can. Wentz is the most sacked QB though think 1/4 of those he could have avoided.

4. D being avg is nothing really new but the DL has been strong and when not thrown in terrible situations which Wentz and the O has put them in a ton they been alright how the team is built. 
 

5. don’t think we need an OC really I’m fine with the structure need to weed out some heads think 14 is to many guys. Bigger need to me is the QB coach needs to be priority #1 

Looking at this team moving forward in 2021

Offense really I think we are fine. OL we have talked about when guys get healthy should be a really strong unit.
WR it’s about guys developing and growing can Fulgham keep being that true #1 we haven’t had since TO, Can Reagor be the deep threat speed guy we need, Hightower be that 3rd WR think he is a great route runner just needs to get stronger improve his hands. Have backup options in Ward, Watkins, JJaw that likely be around as well.

TE even if we move Ertz have Geodart to be the #1 Perkins should be healthy good option as a 3rd TE Butler/Croom as well on PS maybe look for that more traditional blocking TE to compliment the receiving TEs we have.

RB- Similar to TE Sanders is the lead guy should be the lead guy should always get bulk of the snaps of heathy. Scott is a decent backup option maybe get that complimentary piece guy that can run between the Ts better pass blocker etc. 

Big keys for 2021 has to be the defense.

DL- always needs to be consider could be even more an issue depending on what we do with Barnett

LB- we talked to death we know we need help

CB- Slay is fine but his addition seems have changed us to a more man to man team getting a #2 next to him is a must. Think Leblanc would be fine in the slot 

S- McLeod is fine I’d honestly go into next season with Epps/Wallace competing to start next to him and move Maddox back to be the 3rd deep S(could consider Maddox in the slot as well) 

But the big key is drafting well for the D in the 2021 draft 

14 hours ago, Trini said:

Agreed, but there has to be consequences for his poor play his game is clearly slipping

Well you have a line that changes more than I change underwear,you have no consistent RB.Scott is ok, but he aint Sanders. WR's still learning their craft,the timing isn't there.There are alot of factors that affect his "poor play".Some IS on him,I'm not giving him a pass,but he is not ALL of the issues we have

12 hours ago, joemas6 said:

One of the things I liked about Chip.   He was not afraid to call the same play over and over if it worked.  It was refreshing after 14 years of E= MC2 type of overthinking.   Doug follows Andy there .. more so since Reich left.   Hit them with the left jab until they block it.   But again, I feel Doug also improves on this specific issue towards the end of the last few seasons.   We shall see.   

And ironically it seems(maybe it's coincidence) that we have players stay on the field when he was here

38 minutes ago, Bleedinggreen93 said:

But the big key is drafting well for the D in the 2021 draft 

The problem with the back seven is that they just don't have the athletes. We have Slay, and the rest of them are late round, UDFA types who are just going to be okay.

Hopefully Taylor turns into something. Maddox seems to be fine as a slot corner with his measurables. Jacquet is a good example of a guy with the measurables who may turn into something, and I wouldn't be shocked to see him get playing time after the bye. I am sure he opened up some eyes against Dallas.

But we can't have another Barnett-Jones-Douglas type of draft. They have to hit on the guys they take.

9 hours ago, UK_EaglesFan89 said:

See i do agree with this but... A QB in his fifth year should surely recognise that with changing pieces around him the timer in his head should be shorter than usual. So get rid of the football quicker. The OL with so many changes isn't going to block better for you until they get their starters back. 

True except he is an alpha male competitor,and he wants to win and at times he tries too hard to put this team on his back,so would you change that??

14 minutes ago, jsb235 said:

The problem with the back seven is that they just don't have the athletes. We have Slay, and the rest of them are late round, UDFA types who are just going to be okay.

Hopefully Taylor turns into something. Maddox seems to be fine as a slot corner with his measurables. Jacquet is a good example of a guy with the measurables who may turn into something, and I wouldn't be shocked to see him get playing time after the bye. I am sure he opened up some eyes against Dallas.

But we can't have another Barnett-Jones-Douglas type of draft. They have to hit on the guys they take.

 JSB-Curiosity question. Your first draft choice position is? DT,DB,LB?  If everything is equal talent wise, which do you take? I ask because we send other CB's outta here and they play well(or many do), so do we ruin another round 1 CB prospect? I am leaning towards a LB first

4 minutes ago, GreenbleedinNC said:

 JSB-Curiosity question. Your first draft choice position is? DT,DB,LB?  If everything is equal talent wise, which do you take? I ask because we send other CB's outta here and they play well(or many do), so do we ruin another round 1 CB prospect? I am leaning towards a LB first

All things being equal, I would probably put corner as my first choice and after that it isn't really clear. If Taylor turns into something at LB, then I don't really see LB as a need, since guys like Edwards and Bradley can probably be okay as the LB2. The same thing with Wallace at safety. If he turns into a decent player, safety isn't a huge need.

Our dline is eight guys deep right now, but clearly we need younger talent to replace aging vets. So it's not an immediate need like in the back seven, but I wouldn't pass up a talented guy there to specifically draft another position.

To me, it's not about drafting for position as much as it is making sure the guys we draft are talented.

1 hour ago, jsb235 said:

But we can't have another Barnett-Jones-Douglas type of draft. They have to hit on the guys they take.

Sad part is Barnett showed some promise early on not sure what happened. Jones/Douglas both are good players having success elsewhere 

1 hour ago, jsb235 said:

We have Slay, and the rest of them are late round, UDFA types who are just going to be okay.

I mean McLeod is a fine athlete Wallace is a good athlete as are Ford/Epps I do t get involved with the draft position can find plus athletes anywhere in the draft.

CB is light but think Slay affected it like I stated going more man to man with him Maddox to me isn’t suited to be a man CB on the outside(maybe a more off man style like Asante) but think he is at his best in Zone being able to roam or why I like him as the 3rd S deep. 
Ideally in the draft goal has to be to find some real man to man CBs. Very lest have to find a guy that we can pair with Slay to have two outside CBs slot CB we could get by with Maddox or Leblanc.

Wallace again I thought when he played Kittle had some excellent coverage on maybe the best TE in football Kittle schooled him still but the coverage wasn’t bad was just Kittle making great plays

Realistically shouldn’t expect to fix every need on the D in one draft but if we can get a CB, another LB and DL would be a huge start.

S think we have some pieces, slot CB we have some decent options maybe we look to upgrade later but right now needs to be finding quality starters at positions of need 

 

Just going to say it again want to see Eagles give Holyfield a legit chance.

I mean two areas that need help at RB running between the tackles and pass protection are two areas he supposedly excels at. 

Other changes I’d seriously be looking into during the bye.

Jason Peter at G simply put 5 best guys on the field Semaulo is still a massive ???? Find it hard to image a better 5 guys then Mailata/Herbig/Kielce/Peters/Lane goal has to be protect the franchise QB.

implementing Alshon he is here he is getting paid play him he is at least the 2nd best WR on the team as of right now find ways to get Alshon/Fulgham and whoever else on the field together(should be Reagor)

Finding ways to get Taylor on the field get him reps I’d like to see him on the field on passing downs I have zero faith in Edwards in coverage sorry from the times I’ve seen him especially with us using more man.

S I think Mills is actually fine I know JSB isn’t a huge fan of him there. But I do believe Mills as the opposite outside CB of Slay with Maddox in the slot might be best for the secondary as a whole.

Mills at CB would allow more reps for Epps/Wallace as well. Parks would likely be the starter 

38 minutes ago, Bleedinggreen93 said:

Finding ways to get Taylor on the field get him reps 

I look at the Arizona and Seattle games and I think someone like Taylor would be what we would need to combat the mobility of their QBs.

He's been practicing now for three months. He apparently knows his assignments. I don't see why they don't take a chance and put him out there.    

13 hours ago, jsb235 said:

All things being equal, I would probably put corner as my first choice and after that it isn't really clear. If Taylor turns into something at LB, then I don't really see LB as a need, since guys like Edwards and Bradley can probably be okay as the LB2. The same thing with Wallace at safety. If he turns into a decent player, safety isn't a huge need.

Our dline is eight guys deep right now, but clearly we need younger talent to replace aging vets. So it's not an immediate need like in the back seven, but I wouldn't pass up a talented guy there to specifically draft another position.

To me, it's not about drafting for position as much as it is making sure the guys we draft are talented.

Yeah,but that's why I brought up the fact we let guys walk that play on other teams at CB/DB. SO would a CB first be a "wasted pick"?  I mean we fd around with Jones long enough for him to leave and play on another team, and he was only a round 2 pick lol

15 hours ago, GreenbleedinNC said:

True except he is an alpha male competitor,and he wants to win and at times he tries too hard to put this team on his back,so would you change that??

Would i change that? Umm yes I would to be honest because it costs this team. And so far it hasn't yielded success. 

20 hours ago, Bleedinggreen93 said:

I don’t think we are necessarily disagreeing either but think I’m separating the two issues as they should be.

OL that tough lost what 6-8 OL no team could handle that think we have done best we can. Wentz is the most sacked QB though think 1/4 of those he could have avoided.

4. D being avg is nothing really new but the DL has been strong and when not thrown in terrible situations which Wentz and the O has put them in a ton they been alright how the team is built. 
 

5. don’t think we need an OC really I’m fine with the structure need to weed out some heads think 14 is to many guys. Bigger need to me is the QB coach needs to be priority #1 

And it's great to separate the 2.   My biggest point all along.   And I use Rodgers and Wilson , whom I feel have been the best player in the league over the last few years... going from Rodgers to Wilson...  Anyway,  there is a reason both only won one SB, it's not due to their play dipping. Their dip in stats, perceived mental mistakes or shortcomings was due to their environment not being good enough. 

Rodgers made the fundamental plays throwing the ball away at record pace ... the team was 6-9-1.

2 separate issues for sure.  The one that concerns me is the team, not Wentz.   I don't want 10 years of Rodgers or the last 6 or 7 from Wilson... where their play was irrelevant to winning anything because the team wasn't good enough.   The one year it was good enough,  we saw how Wentz performed, not only for himself, but how he raised the level of the team. 

I'm not concerned with how he elevates a bad team to decent.  I saw that last year.  He could fail at that and it doesn't matter anymore.  I want him in a good environment so I can have my team contend for a title.   Howie and Doug are on my hot seats.  The training staff.   31 other teams , none with this quantity of injury.  31 other teams can throw a bubble screen for a big gain.  Stop reinventing how football decisions are made and making the game harder than it needs to be.  Draft the best player available even if it's a LB in round 1.  Run the ball when you are up 17 and the other team shows zero signs of life.   Bigger issues than how my QB handles being in a bad spot.  It's like talking about the best way to dump a girl, who cares, it's how you handle the situation when you find the right one.  2017 was the right one, let's get back there. 

1 hour ago, joemas6 said:

The one year it was good enough,  we saw how Wentz performed, not only for himself, but how he raised the level of the team. 

And this is absolutely fair and you are right. But also, how can this offense function with a QB who's playing so badly? And Wentz is playing that badly. 

2 hours ago, joemas6 said:

The one that concerns me is the team, not Wentz.   I don't want 10 years of Rodgers or the last 6 or 7 from Wilson

So you don’t want a QB that is good enough to bring people up???? I agree the team needs to improve but I also don’t want a QB who shrinks because the talent isn’t good enough either. If that’s the case might as well kept Foles and paid much less 

We go back to 2017 all the time the height of Wentz but fact is that team was built so great that we won it all not having Wentz that just the facts of it. 
 

If we can only win when we have this great team around Wentz then why are we paying him franchise QB money???? With the money spent on Wentz we are not going to build that strong a roster again that’s the benefits of a QB on a rookie deal. You pay your QB all that money to offset some of that still need a good around the QB but when your QB is making stupid mistakes that rookies make that has nothing to do with the roster. 

Then you keep saying Wentz needs to own his mistakes yes he does... But owning your mistakes isn’t just going to the media saying "I need to play better do better etc.”

it’s actually making the changes to play better not doing the same dumb mistakes weekly 

You have to go back before the season started to really recognize some things happening with Wentz I believe. COVID shutdown the preseason. That’s a factor. Just no denying that. But go back before that. What was going on with Wentz? No Mas doesn’t believe things nonfootball related effect anything. But I’d say this is the key.