Hurts, Jalen	QB	1	8	427.8
Etienne, Travis	RB	3	32	137.0
Sanders, Miles	RB	4	41	121.0
Godwin, Chris	WR	6	65	98.1
Hill, Tyreek	WR	2	17	159.2
Johnson, Diontae	WR	8	89	90.1
Goedert, Dallas	TE	5	56	100.1
Elliott, Jake	K	13	152	131.0
Bills	DST	10	113	186.8
Rodgers, Aaron	QB	9	104	315.8
Pacheco, Isiah	RB	7	80	117.0
Lazard, Allen	WR	12	137	88.1
Kincaid, Dalton	TE	11	128	74.2
Cowboys	DST	14	161	177.9

Practice Fantasy draft from the 8th spot. I hope it goes this well tonight. A bit weak at WR. Arod and Pacheco as BU's I will take all day. Nice team,I can play the match ups

10 hours ago, cunninghamtheman said:

I don’t believe Toth will actually play. That’s the point. He’s our fourth best C. Kind of backs up all along the line. But don’t confuse what I’m saying and put words in my mouth. You and No Mas are taking my issues I’m having with practice and applying it to real games. Not anything that I stated.

So then what is the point if it doesn't apply to games?

You are assuming the media saying Toth is struggling and not a good option to play C during a game...  into the extreme that nobody else gets a quality rep in practice because he ruins every snap.

Again...if he ruins one out of 20 snaps...  that's absolutely brutal for a game... but in practice they still get 19 out of 20... that doesn't cause the negative impact you are trying to imply.

Again, being overdramatic  about something to try to make yourself seem smarter than everyone on here.  

Relax a little. 

Say Toth ruins even 1 out of 10 snaps in practice.  He snaps 30 times in practice and they still get 27 good reps.   Brutal for a game though.  But not going to set the team behind  because of that.  

10 hours ago, cunninghamtheman said:

Let’s count the meaningless PS snaps are key starters play. Kelce and Lane need very few. Looking at getting through like twenty games. Just be stupid for Kelce to pickup and stupid nagging injury in a PS game.

I'm curious as to your interpretation of snaps in training camp?

My assumption is the bulk of the work during camp does not involve work against the other side.   It's running through the plays.   They hit the pads etc.

Then you get a little walk through... half speed... then some 7 on 7 and then 11 on 11.      I'm not looking at Kelce or really anyone else doing much work in 11 on 11 or vs the other side.  

I get the feeling like you think they run 200 reps at practice every day vs the other side? 

How many snaps do you actually think Toth takes to where he can mess up everything for everyone?   

10 hours ago, cunninghamtheman said:

Every snap is an injury risk. We saw Siri minimize the contact before week one to levels I’ve never seen any coach do so far. These guys are getting so much better at learning in the class room. Then he uses walk throughs to explain options on the field. Managing the risk of your top players is a huge part of the coaches job. Doubt we see much of the big star players the whole PS. Siri prefers inter squad practice for most of that it seems.

Then what is the problem?   I agree, preseason games...I don't think we see Kelce or Lane play at all.   You just gave Siri a compliment....I'm sure very hard for you.   But by doing so you showed exactly how he handles the management of the players.   So I'm trying to figure out how you tie everything together. 

11 hours ago, Asg 15 said:

I wasnt sure if the team released him.

Glad they had the guts to let the legal process play out.

Yes this stuff really ticks me off. It’s America. Supposed to be innocent until proven guilty. No sport or business should trump the legal system. This is the issues that players should unite and stand up against the league actually for. That I would back them on.

11 hours ago, GreenbleedinNC said:

LMAO why the F are we posting pages on a guy that won't play then? I'm not confused,you are, babbling on and on about things you don't control. If he sucks he's GONE,no mystery is there? And if you are naive enough to think other PROFESSIONAL players would be devastated by 1 or 2 broken plays at PRACTICE,I have no hope for you

Now I admit I haven’t seen a single practice. Toth means nothing as far as any real games are concerned. Siri really has cut down on actual physical practice time so massively. No remotely the TC I grew up watching. For the on field real team practice periods…it’s almost a joke how long they are spending under Siri. It’s not one or two broken plays I’ve been second hand reading about. If you think TC has no purpose I completely disagree. The main issue I’m pointing out relates to his position mostly. Hour long practices….they aren’t using much of to line up head to head….O vs D much of that time for even. These TC sessions are setup for max efficiency. Bang bang bang…and done. So Toth screwing up the C job so significantly I’m putting around messing up about a fifth of that small portion of practice time. Siri has cut back the level of reps ti where these guys aren’t doing half of the physical reps I grew up with seeing them do to begin with. So the room for sloppy errors is so much smaller. 

11 hours ago, GreenbleedinNC said:

How many injuries under other coaches vs Siri? I would like to hear your answer to this. You act like Siri is clueless. We were pretty injury free under Siri? Why don't you let the man do his JOB????  A boxer can get hurt sparring,but what does he do? Sit out until the title fight? NOPE he hones his skill set,gets stronger to AVOID INJURY and learns HOW to avoid it. You're just being DUMB pounding this useless point. A boxer set for a title match will spar(risking injury),he will RISK INJURY in a few tune up fights before the big test. I see this no differently. IDK why you are enamored with a few bad snaps from a guy who probably will be cut-WHO CARES?????

If a boxer gets injured sparring the fight gets postponed. Terrible example. 

11 hours ago, GreenbleedinNC said:

How many injuries under other coaches vs Siri? I would like to hear your answer to this. You act like Siri is clueless. We were pretty injury free under Siri? Why don't you let the man do his JOB????  A boxer can get hurt sparring,but what does he do? Sit out until the title fight? NOPE he hones his skill set,gets stronger to AVOID INJURY and learns HOW to avoid it. You're just being DUMB pounding this useless point. A boxer set for a title match will spar(risking injury),he will RISK INJURY in a few tune up fights before the big test. I see this no differently. IDK why you are enamored with a few bad snaps from a guy who probably will be cut-WHO CARES?????

See that last part is probably why the discussion has continued further. You and that other poster aren’t considering the actual issues of the guy who will be cut…or on the PS. Nothing I’ve said referred to Toth performing in any real game at C. I strictly have been focused on the issues having such terrible C play can have on TC. Dickerson already picked up some injury he’s dealing with. Could have happened easily from Toth going the wrong way misunderstanding his blocking assignment. If Dickerson has to manage a nagging injury all season because of having a bum playing C so much in TC, does that matter to you? 

Whole point of reps in practice and PS is to perfect timing and the progression of reads and adjustments the whole group on your side of the ball makes. So how many of those so few physical reps are being practiced incorrectly because of the mistakes coming from the C of the line? Bad snaps just obviously screw up those reps for the O and the D. Every player out there. Word is it’s more bad snaps than anybody else here is even realizing. But so much more than just snapping correctly. RBs are learning their blocking assignments too. Him screwing up his job could be messing up their development and understanding…of the correct way the O should be running. Who’s calling the blocking assignments under Toth? Kelce and Jurgens have been doing it previously. So what now? Is he even trying to do that part? Or is the O practicing very no game like conditions of the coach telling the O what the read is? Not the biggest issue. But not simulating close to real game conditions.

What about running plays? They are reading the hole based on the playcall. How much is Toth screwing them up? Essentially giving bad reps to the new backfield. These RBs are trying to win a spot on the team. They can’t afford to just go down with the sinking C that won’t be a factor during real games. Sermon, for example, does he do the right thing and just take the one yard loss because Toth screwed up? Or does he freelance away from what he’s really supposed to do? I can’t blame Sermon…or any if the RB for doing whatever they have to…to make a positive play. This crap C affects roster decisions. In this scenario guys that are better suited running outside get the upper hand on players that can run the rock up the gut. Basher dive play RB will look terrible. A guy that makes the inside DT rusher miss and bounces the play outside has the better chance. But….that’s not what we really need the judging based on. Need guys that can hit that hole reading the Kelce/Dickerson running hole.

11 hours ago, GreenbleedinNC said:

Nope,it's not at all fair to question Siri's authority as a coach and that's what you are doing. Go root for a bubble ball team.You can sprain your ankle walking to practice from your car,so should they all be carted in,coddled like pansies? These are WARRIORS,this isn't basketball,bowling of golf LOL

Siri is the bubble ball coach actually. Least actual physical hitting practice coach I’ve ever known. Your point is terrible here. What coach have you seen taking the physical practice on the NFL less than Siri? 
  It is absolutely fair to question Siri. HOF coaches make mistakes even. As a fan I will question everything. Siri’s first games he was doing terrible frankly. He was just playcalling with no regard to our personnel. So bad he gave up the playcalling to Stechein. Then the whole O got on track and saved the season…made the playoffs overcoming Siri’s terrible playcalling start. 

I haven’t even begun the discussion on why I will question everything and everybody involved in this organization. Siri hasn’t been running his own team very long at all. We have a team that should have hoisted the Lombardi last season. Hopefully has a contending window ahead. Right now isn’t the time to develop and learn as coaches heavily. This is the time to get the job done. 

But I will add that Siri has shown plenty of strengths. He looks to be on a trajectory to be an excellent coach for us for a long time. Unless he wins the SB. Then Rosie will run him out of town so everybody is clear that he is the one responsible for all the glory.

FL, you point at schedule plenty the last two seasons. Would you agree with me that this seasons schedule doesn’t afford the same in season learning curve? Just last season, the cupcake TC I witnessed the results to begin the season. Took the chance facing the Lions week one to learn on the job more. But even that almost backfired. Lions really put it to us. Hurts had to step up and carry the team to victory in shootout fashion. Do remember at week one last year…you, No Mas,Cook and others were questioning if Hurts was even starting quality. 

11 hours ago, GreenbleedinNC said:

Practice Fantasy draft from the 8th spot. I hope it goes this well tonight. A bit weak at WR. Arod and Pacheco as BU's I will take all day. Nice team,I can play the match ups

Way too early to think playing matchups or even to realistically take seriously. Injuries will completely shift the boards before draft time. Key right now is just noticing how depth charts are shaping up around the league. That and how the O coaching matters towards individual players. Never underestimate how new coach completely changed the dynamics of the O.

1 hour ago, cunninghamtheman said:

If a boxer gets injured sparring the fight gets postponed. Terrible example. 

And that happens how often exactly. Give me a percentage

Gannon came in here….and Edwards thrived. Been reading plenty on Wallace getting heavy starting chances. I’ve been very critical of his play for us so far. Been terrible. But under Desai…maybe he finds a better fit. He’s a hard big hitter. His coverage struggles. So maybe Desai has sone roles better suited for his qualities.

55 minutes ago, cunninghamtheman said:

See that last part is probably why the discussion has continued further. You and that other poster aren’t considering the actual issues of the guy who will be cut…or on the PS. Nothing I’ve said referred to Toth performing in any real game at C. I strictly have been focused on the issues having such terrible C play can have on TC. Dickerson already picked up some injury he’s dealing with. Could have happened easily from Toth going the wrong way misunderstanding his blocking assignment. If Dickerson has to manage a nagging injury all season because of having a bum playing C so much in TC, does that matter to you? 

Micromanaging BS I love it!!!! Keep that comedy coming!!!

35 minutes ago, cunninghamtheman said:

Siri is the bubble ball coach actually. Least actual physical hitting practice coach I’ve ever known

Then why are you worrying about it?

Haven’t heard about Devon Taylor this TC. But was hoping his old college coach coming in to run our LBs maybe unleashed him now. Taylor was always considered developmental coming in. So he really can’t even be accurately judged yet. Make or break season for him now though.

53 minutes ago, cunninghamtheman said:

Whole point of reps in practice and PS is to perfect timing and the progression of reads and adjustments the whole group on your side of the ball makes. So how many of those so few physical reps are being practiced incorrectly because of the mistakes coming from the C of the line?

2 per practice(maybe?)   

1 minute ago, GreenbleedinNC said:

Micromanaging BS I love it!!!! Keep that comedy coming!!!

I think it’s all important. New OC. New DC. Plenty of players new to the team. Good amount of young players. Micromanaging is the job all our coaches must accel in. It’s crucial. If they old school had Kelce and Dickerson playing 8 quarters of PS BS games….you’ll be hearing from me about it here. Imagine AJ going down for the season in the third quarter of PS gave two. Would just be stupid. 

Just now, GreenbleedinNC said:

2 per practice(maybe?)   

Not what the reports are saying.