Interested to see if Ham is seeing any of those RB out routes

I look at our SB win.    That season... Alshon, Smith, Agholor and Ertz...were an elite unit when playing together. 

You had Alshon who needed the top CB or a double.  Smith with the speed outside would kill a #2.    Agholor was quick and elusive inside... that left Ertz there against your 4th or even worse coverage option.

You move a better guy on Ertz, Agholor then has it much easier.  

The matchup was just a nightmare with that unit.  The numbers on 3rd down and vs the blitz were off the charts.   Seemed like they got every key big play when needed...with ease.

4 minutes ago, GreenbleedinNC said:

Nutn to answer your question(since I did not) I like the committe approach better. of course the better committee you have the better it works,but I dont like relying on one 3 down RB.if they figure that guy out,your running game is crap. Like when we shut down Cook and Henry. When we did that we took away 35% of their offense

Committee at RB.... not at the receiving spots

Penny 5.7 yards per. He missed time,but still those stats speak for themselves. Now add in some pass plays for him and see what he does. if he gets to level 2,yes I believe he would be tough to bring down. Probably need your S AND a LB to tackle him

1 minute ago, joemas6 said:

Committee at RB.... not at the receiving spots

Right,although I am ok with a slot rotation WR,RB,TE no matter. Show the different looks,make the D adjust

5 minutes ago, joemas6 said:

I look at our SB win.    That season... Alshon, Smith, Agholor and Ertz...were an elite unit when playing together. 

You had Alshon who needed the top CB or a double.  Smith with the speed outside would kill a #2.    Agholor was quick and elusive inside... that left Ertz there against your 4th or even worse coverage option.

You move a better guy on Ertz, Agholor then has it much easier.  

The matchup was just a nightmare with that unit.  The numbers on 3rd down and vs the blitz were off the charts.   Seemed like they got every key big play when needed...with ease.

I see the same type thing. Smith is going to be alot better. No team can afford a DT on AJ IMO or they will pay. Now you put additional threats in the slot and its a defensive nightmare,plus you have to cover Hurts taking off too. GL with that

3 minutes ago, GreenbleedinNC said:

Penny 5.7 yards per. He missed time,but still those stats speak for themselves. Now add in some pass plays for him and see what he does. if he gets to level 2,yes I believe he would be tough to bring down. Probably need your S AND a LB to tackle him

Again.. why do you assume that?    Rushing and receiving are 2 different skill sets. 

 

So,I see this offense as maybe better than last year,even losing Sanders,who came out alot it seems. 

3 minutes ago, GreenbleedinNC said:

Right,although I am ok with a slot rotation WR,RB,TE no matter. Show the different looks,make the D adjust

My point...the rotation works for rushing.    Receiving having your 4 best options at all times if more productive. 

1 minute ago, joemas6 said:

Again.. why do you assume that?    Rushing and receiving are 2 different skill sets. 

 

because he can catch. the fact Seatlle didn't exploit that is on them. with 5.7 YPC if you hit him on a pass I expect additional YAC from him

Just now, GreenbleedinNC said:

So,I see this offense as maybe better than last year,even losing Sanders,who came out alot it seems. 

Sanders had no impact on the offense.  No special skills...it's absolutely a positive replacing him.

Just now, GreenbleedinNC said:

because he can catch. the fact Seatlle didn't exploit that is on them. with 5.7 YPC if you hit him on a pass I expect additional YAC from him

One has nothing to do with the other.

Just now, joemas6 said:

My point...the rotation works for rushing.    Receiving having your 4 best options at all times if more productive. 

Why cant' RB's run routes or run slot plays? besides 2 WR;s and Goedert who is option 4?

Just now, joemas6 said:

One has nothing to do with the other.

it does. he doesn't just catch and fall down. After the catch he becomes a RB,so sure they can be tied together

8 yard catch plus 5.7 yards running is something I like

and if he can get 5.7 yards rushing through a D line I imagine he would do even better in the open field

Of course that is all theory at this point,but it's possible as I see it 

3 minutes ago, GreenbleedinNC said:

Why cant' RB's run routes or run slot plays? besides 2 WR;s and Goedert who is option 4?

Option 4 as a receiver- Quez/Zach,TE2,Swift,Penny. no need to make 1 alone,we can use them all in that 4th role

Gains can catch also,so add him in there as well

1 minute ago, GreenbleedinNC said:

Why cant' RB's run routes or run slot plays? besides 2 WR;s and Goedert who is option 4?

Ok... as an example ... we have our 2 stud WRs, Goedert along with a RB in the backfield. 

We need the 5th skill guy...the 4th receiving weapon. 

You are going to pass... it's a pass play.  

My option ( and I'm using this as hypothetical)

AJ, Smith, Goedert and Kupp

Now...you can have all the RBs, TEs, Quez, Zach... anyone else on the practice squad at your disposal.

On which passing play do you think you have the better lineup that would get better results...ON A PASS PLAY... that you would take Kupp out of the lineup?

A PASS PLAY?

So,IMO that 4th role can be a nightmare for defenses as we can use whomever is the best vs that particular opponent. Keep rotating them and make the D adjust,that frees up your primaries IMO

6 minutes ago, GreenbleedinNC said:

it does. he doesn't just catch and fall down. After the catch he becomes a RB,so sure they can be tied together

Did it work for Zsonka, Okoye, Henry, Eric Dickerson, Pedersen, Larry Johnson, etc.    

Just now, GreenbleedinNC said:

So,IMO that 4th role can be a nightmare for defenses as we can use whomever is the best vs that particular opponent. Keep rotating them and make the D adjust,that frees up your primaries IMO

Yeah... seeing Penny in the slot is going to cause nightmares for the defense....then we can rotate Stoll... phew...sleepless nights there.

1 minute ago, joemas6 said:

Ok... as an example ... we have our 2 stud WRs, Goedert along with a RB in the backfield. 

We need the 5th skill guy...the 4th receiving weapon. 

You are going to pass... it's a pass play.  

My option ( and I'm using this as hypothetical)

AJ, Smith, Goedert and Kupp

Now...you can have all the RBs, TEs, Quez, Zach... anyone else on the practice squad at your disposal.

On which passing play do you think you have the better lineup that would get better results...ON A PASS PLAY... that you would take Kupp out of the lineup?

A PASS PLAY?

We don't have a Kupp,that's why I wanted JJ before. He was a major slot threat. So we have a committee on the 4th receiving option because we have Quez,not Kupp and he is nowhere near the talent of Kupp

3 minutes ago, joemas6 said:

Did it work for Zsonka, Okoye, Henry, Eric Dickerson, Pedersen, Larry Johnson, etc.    

It worked for guys like LJ, Kamara, Caff etc,so it's not out of the question