Now this was just me dumbing down the what I thought was the obvious of what KC O did to us. The insult to the situation is our dominant rushing attack didn’t do squat, other than Hurts carrying the load.

But to finish the Pacheco effect on the game that you completely missed. Final drive of the game. 5:15 left on the clock. Pacheco run first play. Clock rolls. Third and one at KC own 41. Pacheco not only converts the mega play…but hits it for ten. Mahomes scrambles after that for a nice chunk…which pretty much gets it to the two minute warning.

We still had everything in a decent place until the third down stop penalty on Bradberry.

Is nobody here to back up my side and very obvious point I just made to counter that nonsense?

Think you just gotta start with just basic football concepts here. Rushing and their TE plus slot WR they used to perfection. Both complimenting each other masterfully.

47 minutes ago, cunninghamtheman said:

Let’s actually deal with the truth and fact of the game that actually played out. Pacheco ran for short gain on their first drive of the game. Pass to Kelce for 8 yard first down conversion. Then Mahomes ran for 8 yards. Then Pacheco gashed us for 24 yards. Then TD strike to Kelce for their first TD. Clearly see how rushing helped open up Kelce. That busted run early made the D job much more difficult clearly. Gannon should have been afforded to practically pin ears back focusing on pass D. Gannon’s run D was suspect all season. If you ever actually played football you’d understand the conflict the defenders are put in when they have to respect the run…while dealing with the best TE. Or any especially inside receiving options.

They scored one TD in the first half.

The game was decided in the 2nd half when the Eagles couldn't stop KC.  

I'm looking at the 2nd half.   Buy since you bring up a 24 yard run... and we know he had 10 carries 48 yards in the 2nd half..   that's 72 of his 75 yards.

So the other 4 carries got him 3 yards.

Obviously one run that happened early...which only led to a team scoring 7 points in the half.. isn’t going to set up 4 scores in the 2nd half.   Especially when the player isn't on the field for the key plays.

51 minutes ago, cunninghamtheman said:

The pass catching back in…we could play pass…D managed decent. Almost only stops the D came up with.

More first half stuff.... did you watch the game.  Eagles were leading 24-14 at the half.   KC offense scored only once. 

The game flipped at halftime.  So we go over what happened then.   You keep bringing up irrelevant stuff from the 1st half.    

It's why it's nearly impossible to have a legit conversation with you.  You don't stay focused on what's relevant. Mahomes executed every pass in the 2nd half... plus 2 big scrambles.  

The Eagles couldn't get him off the field in the 2nd half.That was the game.  

37 minutes ago, cunninghamtheman said:

Now this was just me dumbing down the what I thought was the obvious of what KC O did to us. The insult to the situation is our dominant rushing attack didn’t do squat, other than Hurts carrying the load.

Our offense punted 2 times.  Scored 35 points... again...you focus too much on style and irrelevant stuff.

Both teams moved the ball... does it matter how they move the ball when the other team can't stop them?

Hurts fumbled...free 7 points to them.  

Second half we couldn't get a stop...they forced a FG and a punt.   That's the difference.  

To " dumb down" the game

1st half 9 possessions

Eagles score on 4 ... Hurts gift fumble was the 5th.

KC scores 1 out of 4.

That's fact....zero spin...that's the results of the possessions. 

2nd half ... 8 possessions 

KC scores all 4

Eagles score 2,  punt once and run out of time. 

Very simple...  the 2nd half we couldn't stop KC.

The difference... no free 7 points given to us.   Style is irrelevant.   But if you look at it Mahomes was flawless in the 2nd half...his only miss was followed up by a TD throw on the next play.

Both teams earned 24 points in one of the halves.

We earned 10 in the 2nd half.   They earned 7 plus the free 7 Hurts gave them ....  that's the 4 point difference.

It's nice Pacheco had a 24 yard run early... didn't matter much in the scheme of things though. 

For those so convinced on prioritizing Oline so heavily…Vikes have taken an Oline every draft in the first or second until this past draft with their new GM.

24 minutes ago, joemas6 said:

They scored one TD in the first half.

The game was decided in the 2nd half when the Eagles couldn't stop KC.  

I'm looking at the 2nd half.   Buy since you bring up a 24 yard run... and we know he had 10 carries 48 yards in the 2nd half..   that's 72 of his 75 yards.

So the other 4 carries got him 3 yards.

Obviously one run that happened early...which only led to a team scoring 7 points in the half.. isn’t going to set up 4 scores in the 2nd half.   Especially when the player isn't on the field for the key plays.

The first possession where Pacheco gashed us…some how you don’t think set the tone? It ended in a TD. Back and forth rush…then pass to Kelce. 

25 minutes ago, joemas6 said:

They scored one TD in the first half.

The game was decided in the 2nd half when the Eagles couldn't stop KC.  

I'm looking at the 2nd half.   Buy since you bring up a 24 yard run... and we know he had 10 carries 48 yards in the 2nd half..   that's 72 of his 75 yards.

So the other 4 carries got him 3 yards.

Obviously one run that happened early...which only led to a team scoring 7 points in the half.. isn’t going to set up 4 scores in the 2nd half.   Especially when the player isn't on the field for the key plays.

So they went away from rushing him in the second and third drives. Where they didn’t score. Then started the second half the same way they started the first. Pacheco and rushing. Continued scoring TDs.

1 minute ago, cunninghamtheman said:

The first possession where Pacheco gashed us…some how you don’t think set the tone? It ended in a TD. Back and forth rush…then pass to Kelce. 

I like the tone it set...KC scoring on one out of 4 drives.   Great tone.

Set the tone for the Eagles to take a lead.   Great tone.

I'll take that tone every game.

What transpired in the 2nd half needs to be corrected. 

Just now, cunninghamtheman said:

So they went away from rushing him in the second and third drives. Where they didn’t score. Then started the second half the same way they started the first. Pacheco and rushing. Continued scoring TDs.

2 rushes for 9 yards... back to back... then they move the ball when he isn't on the field?

You think that set the tone?

Stop living in the movie world. Mahomes was everything. 

18 minutes ago, joemas6 said:

More first half stuff.... did you watch the game.  Eagles were leading 24-14 at the half.   KC offense scored only once. 

The game flipped at halftime.  So we go over what happened then.   You keep bringing up irrelevant stuff from the 1st half.    

It's why it's nearly impossible to have a legit conversation with you.  You don't stay focused on what's relevant. Mahomes executed every pass in the 2nd half... plus 2 big scrambles.  

The Eagles couldn't get him off the field in the 2nd half.That was the game.  

I do understand how difficult it must be to try and convince me…of a terrible point you are trying to force. You want to ignore what worked for KC’s O. They started the game rushing Pacheco and countering with passing to the TE. Got away from that formula for two drives. Second half was their next opportunity. Went right back to rushing the ball and passing to TE and slot WR. Again and again. The first TD drive of the game they had…was the same formula they used on every other scoring drive.

All we need to do is have 2 runs for 9 yards...that will cause us to score 24 points in the next 4 drives...genius 

30 minutes ago, joemas6 said:

They scored one TD in the first half.

The game was decided in the 2nd half when the Eagles couldn't stop KC.  

I'm looking at the 2nd half.   Buy since you bring up a 24 yard run... and we know he had 10 carries 48 yards in the 2nd half..   that's 72 of his 75 yards.

So the other 4 carries got him 3 yards.

Obviously one run that happened early...which only led to a team scoring 7 points in the half.. isn’t going to set up 4 scores in the 2nd half.   Especially when the player isn't on the field for the key plays.

That one run to start the game set the tone. Huge play. But they converted a few big rushing plays on short yardage situations. Including scoring TDs.

1 minute ago, joemas6 said:

All we need to do is have 2 runs for 9 yards...that will cause us to score 24 points in the next 4 drives...genius 

 

22 minutes ago, joemas6 said:

More first half stuff.... did you watch the game.  Eagles were leading 24-14 at the half.   KC offense scored only once. 

The game flipped at halftime.  So we go over what happened then.   You keep bringing up irrelevant stuff from the 1st half.    

It's why it's nearly impossible to have a legit conversation with you.  You don't stay focused on what's relevant. Mahomes executed every pass in the 2nd half... plus 2 big scrambles.  

The Eagles couldn't get him off the field in the 2nd half.That was the game.  

You are the one impossible to try and have any educated discussion here. I laid out in the most basic terms exactly each drive how KC did things. Didn’t run on the failed scoring drives. Ran on the drives that produced. 

20 minutes ago, joemas6 said:

Our offense punted 2 times.  Scored 35 points... again...you focus too much on style and irrelevant stuff.

Both teams moved the ball... does it matter how they move the ball when the other team can't stop them?

Hurts fumbled...free 7 points to them.  

Second half we couldn't get a stop...they forced a FG and a punt.   That's the difference.  

Absolutely the whole point of the conversation. You are missing it all even after I spelled it out so clearly.

20 minutes ago, joemas6 said:

Our offense punted 2 times.  Scored 35 points... again...you focus too much on style and irrelevant stuff.

Both teams moved the ball... does it matter how they move the ball when the other team can't stop them?

Hurts fumbled...free 7 points to them.  

Second half we couldn't get a stop...they forced a FG and a punt.   That's the difference.  

Second half we couldn’t stop them…when? When they ran and converted first downs. Backbreaking gashing run on their final drive. Third down on their 41. They can’t run effectively converting…they are in a tough bind. One of the largest plays of the game. You can’t possible act so much wiser and deflect towards me that I didn’t watch the game. Or don’t know what I’m talking about. I just went straight through the play by play of events. Can’t get anymore fact based and accurately detailed about what transpired.

17 minutes ago, joemas6 said:

To " dumb down" the game

1st half 9 possessions

Eagles score on 4 ... Hurts gift fumble was the 5th.

KC scores 1 out of 4.

That's fact....zero spin...that's the results of the possessions. 

2nd half ... 8 possessions 

KC scores all 4

Eagles score 2,  punt once and run out of time. 

Very simple...  the 2nd half we couldn't stop KC.

The difference... no free 7 points given to us.   Style is irrelevant.   But if you look at it Mahomes was flawless in the 2nd half...his only miss was followed up by a TD throw on the next play.

I wouldn’t call it style. I call it football 101. What worked was them being able to run on us. That gave them the counter to Kelce and JuJu. It opened up huge areas.

I’m just very specific and detailed. Started the game with Pacheco gashing us. Then throwing to Kelce. Then they went away from that fir the two drives they failed to score in the first half afterwards. They came back to their winning formula the rest of the game. That’s what actually was what we couldn’t stop.

It’s not so much first half versus second half. It’s the balancing complimentary brand of football that we couldn’t stop.

Just now, cunninghamtheman said:

It’s not so much first half versus second half. It’s the balancing complimentary brand of football that we couldn’t stop.

First drive….or any drive after.