22 minutes ago, GreenbleedinNC said:

I will still argue for Dillard at LOG lol.I'm sure I am alone there

I think Dillard would be good at guard as well. In some ways a tackle has to be a lot stronger than a guard because of basic physics (force equals mass times acceleration, so a 260 pound DE running sprinting at you requires more strength to handle than a 300 pound DT that starts right in front of you) and he would be deadly in combo blocks, pulling and getting to the second level.

But the thing about Dillard isn't the physical aspect of the game, but rather the mental one. And if he doesn't have that, he's not going to be good anywhere they put him. 

Really hoping they add this kid to the roster. Finding a decent CB2 would be huge for this team. Maddox has been really underwhelming so far.

Reading some people’s opinions on what to do with Alshon and tend to find myself agreeing and disagreeing with them.

Agree with points when people say we should not be taking reps from our young guys  Fulgham, Reagor they should definitely be the ones getting the bulk of the reps at WR.

But then I look at Ward who isn’t bad but can us using Alshon upgrade the slot I think so that can mean Alshon in the slot could mean Fulgham getting looks in the slot or Reagor whoever don’t think we have to make one guy solely the slot guy but think those 3 should be our top 3 WRs when we go 3 WR sets 

As for Hightower I’ve said it all year I’d like to see him in a reduced role I like him a ton and think he will be a really good WR but needs to work on his hands add some strength to his game just not ready to be a key weapon in the pass game.

Ward is what he is the serviceable backup if we need him to play fine but I’d want to upgrade over him if possible 

49 minutes ago, Bleedinggreen93 said:

Reading some people’s opinions on what to do with Alshon and tend to find myself agreeing and disagreeing with them.

If it were me, I would put Goedert and Jeffery on the short side of the field and Reagor and Fulgham on the wide side. Reagor and Fulgham can alternate between the Y and Z, though I would prefer Fulgham in the slot because of his blocking on running plays. They can also mix things up quite a bit because all three guys can play the slot.

If Jeffery gets about half the snaps, I would split the remaining ones among Rodgers, Hightower and Ward. Hightower at the X means they can run jet sweeps, especially with misdirection with the threat of Sanders running behind Goedert.

To me, if Jeffery is 100 percent, it really opens up what they can do on offense. When Ward is on the field, he pretty much has to play the slot. And when Hightower is on the field he pretty much has to play outside. Having versatile guys makes it much harder to predict what they are going to do.

If you want to see what we are facing on Sunday, this guy does a pretty good breakdown of the Giants oline versus the WFT last week.

Some things I would note.

I said in a previous post that the Giants turned a lot of two yard runs into 7 yard runs, and that shows up here in the breakdown of the guard play. The Redskins linebackers did a poor job of playing the run. This will be a game where Edwards and Singleton will play a key role. If you see a lot of short gains on running plays, it will likely be because they closed off gaps and beat blocks at the second level. The Redskins weren't able to do that. The LBs almost never made a play at the LOS in this breakdown, which matches what I saw in watching the game.

In the pass game, it is really easy to see Jones constantly going with his first read and getting the ball out quickly. Over and over again he is staring at the guy he is going to throw to, and he rarely is going through progressions. We have to keep them from winning at the LOS and force him to make reads.

This will be a good test for our defense. The Giants did a good job against the WFT of running their offense effectively. We have to be better and force them to do things they don't want to do.   

Brett Favre stated we should have kept Foles over Wentz. I just can’t agree. Never could. I never really thought it debatable.

Wentz has dealt with durability issues. I’d say he is clearly at a low point right now also. But I’m not going to be a prisoner of the moment. Press Taylor needs to get it figured out. Not seeing the results from him. QB coach and Passing Game coordinator....I’d say a fair amount of blame lays all right there. I mentioned firing Taylor much earlier this season. Haven’t changed my mind.

11 hours ago, Bleedinggreen93 said:

"played 30 snaps against the Cowboys, made four tackles, dropped an interception and allowed just one completed pass.

And he's still never been on an NFL roster.

Michael Jacquet.”

"He was on that WR like a jacket"

14 hours ago, cunninghamtheman said:

Brett Favre stated we should have kept Foles over Wentz. I just can’t agree. Never could. I never really thought it debatable.

 This is a non issue. Look at the source. Coming from a guy who threw 20 or more Interceptions 14 of his 20 years in the pros. Don't forget his 166 lost fumbles..... Besides, I think it was him that said it was the right move 2 years ago..........

   Really not even worth discussing TBT....

 

Interesting discussion about Jeffery this morning on the ITB podcast.

Caplan said that the Eagles want him to play, but Mosher said that he didn't take part in Mondays light workout, which would indicate he doesn't want to be out there.

Both he and the Eagles face some uncertainty. If he plays and gets seriously hurt, the team is on the hook for money next year above the dead cap figure. If he doesn't play, he's not going to get any decent offer next year.

They said that Seumalo is on track to play barring any setbacks at practice. Sanders is also expected to play.

Malik Jackson is still banged up, which is concerning. They will need to sign a DT or elevate someone. Hester seems likely,

Jacquet will probably gets called up again because both James and Strap are still banged up, and if one of them can't go he has to dress. 

 

31 minutes ago, stine said:

 This is a non issue. Look at the source. Coming from a guy who threw 20 or more Interceptions 14 of his 20 years in the pros. Don't forget his 166 lost fumbles..... Besides, I think it was him that said it was the right move 2 years ago..........

   Really not even worth discussing TBT....

 

You are right! I just thought it funny that the one guy that should back him up over this stuff bailed on him. Also he has to know Carson is a big fan of his. Or should I say was...

We need James and LeBlanc. I think those guys complete our CB picture.

6 minutes ago, jsb235 said:

Interesting discussion about Jeffery this morning on the ITB podcast.

Caplan said that the Eagles want him to play, but Mosher said that he didn't take part in Mondays light workout, which would indicate he doesn't want to be out there.

Both he and the Eagles face some uncertainty. If he plays and gets seriously hurt, the team is on the hook for money next year above the dead cap figure. If he doesn't play, he's not going to get any decent offer next year.

They said that Seumalo is on track to play barring any setbacks at practice. Sanders is also expected to play.

Malik Jackson is still banged up, which is concerning. They will need to sign a DT or elevate someone. Hester seems likely,

Jacquet will probably gets called up again because both James and Strap are still banged up, and if one of them can't go he has to dress. 

 

At this point I wouldn't play Jeffery unless we absolutely need him.  Even though it seems likely we make the postseason by winning a historically crappy division, I still consider this a lost season.  Even though some will claim "anything can happen", I think it is extremely unlikely that we have any success in the playoffs - we'll end up getting smoked by NO or Seattle in the first round.  So no sense taking away snaps from the younger WRs that have the potential to be a part of the future here.  The experience will only help better prepare them for larger roles as early as next year and also allow Carson to continue to build chemistry with them.  

24 minutes ago, cunninghamtheman said:

We need James and LeBlanc. I think those guys complete our CB picture.

I don't think our CB picture is anywhere near complete outside of Slay.

Maddox has been underwhelming. PFF has him rated under 50. I don't think it is a perfect way to measure performance, but in this case it matches what I have seen. A lot of beat writers say he is a slot corner playing outside, and he just can't do it. At this point I would call it a failed experiment.

NRC has rated just as poorly as Maddox, and is a much worse tackler. So he hurts us two ways in the slot, both in the passing and running game.

LeBlanc is a better tackler than NRC, but his rating is also under 50, giving us a trifecta of poop.

I have said many times that moving Mills to CB2, Maddox to the slot and starting either Parks or Epps at SS would be our best path forward, but I am resigned to that not happening.

  

1 minute ago, jsb235 said:

I don't think our CB picture is anywhere near complete outside of Slay.

Maddox has been underwhelming. PFF has him rated under 50. I don't think it is a perfect way to measure performance, but in this case it matches what I have seen. A lot of beat writers say he is a slot corner playing outside, and he just can't do it. At this point I would call it a failed experiment.

NRC has rated just as poorly as Maddox, and is a much worse tackler. So he hurts us two ways in the slot, both in the passing and running game.

LeBlanc is a better tackler than NRC, but his rating is also under 50, giving us a trifecta of poop.

I have said many times that moving Mills to CB2, Maddox to the slot and starting either Parks or Epps at SS would be our best path forward, but I am resigned to that not happening.

  

Completely agree with all of this.  I too don't view Maddox as a starting caliber outside corner and have said all along that he should be moved to the slot (thought that is where he should have started the season ... never made sense to me to add NRC - we have a slew of slot CBs, should have targeted another outside CB).  

2 hours ago, cunninghamtheman said:

You are right! I just thought it funny that the one guy that should back him up over this stuff bailed on him. Also he has to know Carson is a big fan of his. Or should I say was...

Not to mention Doug and Brett are best of buddies..... Maybe it is not coming from Brett. That would be a story.....

This is an interesting article about the Giants and what we should expect from them Sunday.

https://www.bigblueview.com/2020/11/9/21556450/stats-snap-counts-ny-giants-23-20-week-9-win-washington-news-analysis

Some takeaways.

It highlighted what I had mentioned about Jones and quick passes. He only attempted three passes over 10 yards. We have to force him to hold onto the ball and go through his progressions. If we let him dink and dunk his way down the field, that is playing into their strategy.

Their pass rush is bad. Kyler Fackrell and Jabaal Sheard are their primary rushers from OLB, and they are really bad. They depend on their interior DT trio of Lawrence, Williams and Tomlinson to generate pressure, and they rarely do (except against Opeta.) Their fastest sack last week was 4.7 seconds, which was 1.5 seconds slower than the fastest sack.

Their running game without Freeman is predictable. Gallman ran between the tackles on every run. Morris ran outside on every run. It should make that easy to stop.

They use their three tight ends a lot, though only Engram is a threat in the passing game. I expect this will mean a lot of snaps for us with 3 LBs.

Austin Mack appears to be ahead of Golden Tate, and will be a handful for Maddox since he's big. If ever there was a reason to put Maddox in the slot on Shepard and Mills or Jacquet outside, this is it. 

I think we actually match up quite well against them when they are in 12 personnel. Slay on Slayton, Maddox on Shepard, Mills on Engram and Singleton/Riley on the TE2.

 

On 11/10/2020 at 7:19 AM, stine said:

  You can say the same for every team in the league this year. the virus alone has made sure of that. Find me a team that has not been hit with multiple injuries on offense.

IDK,,, other teams have gone 12 or 13 deep on OL?  Both TEs, The main RB.... and what was supposed to be your top 3 or 4 WRs too.... like ALL of them out at the same time???????    

Like I said, for us now, we view 2nd stringers as pro bowl pieces... due to the level of depth that we have had to go to via 3rd, 4th and 5th string guys having to play.  I mean, look at OL.  WE have 4 starters out ... but lets say we were able to put a stable 2nd string OL of Peters, Herbig, Kelce, Pryor and Driscoll out there for a string of games.  Or even ... Mailata, Herbig, Kelce, Peters, Driscoll.   any of that combo... just to where it was only 2nd string and where they could have been playing together all this time.   That would be a much better situation.

We can't just say, every other team has injuries... it's not the same.   Multiple at the same position and constant changing of the lineup at those spots are more impactful than just having starters out.  

 

 

On 11/10/2020 at 7:43 AM, stine said:

  So you think tossing 2 interceptions is a good game? Seriously? You have low expectations then. Tennessee, La Rams, NO, Seattle all had at least 6 players placed on IR this season. Baltimore had 10. Yet all seem to be able to get past it. You don't see their QB toss 2 INTs over half the games they play? Losing players does not give any QB excuses for bad decisions every week. Maybe if you are a rookie or only played for a couple years. This is year 5 for Wentz. Stuff he is doing are what you would expect a rookie to do, not a veteran.

Stine,  Russell Wilson had hown many turnovers on sunday????   To me the best player in the league.... and guess what, Seattle put up 34 points.     So what do we look at when we want to discuss the level of QBs?    There are 60-75 snaps per game.... so we focus on  the few that went wrong... or do we look at the overall effect he has on the game.   I like to look at the overall effect.. .the fact Wilson put up 34 points on a Buffalo defense that is pretty good.   Same with Wentz putting up 28 and 29 vs Baltimore and Pittsburgh.  That's the big picture.  They count points as the factor on winning and losing... not stats like INTs.      I use Foles and Rodgers as examples the other way.... Foles can win or put up and points right now.   Rodgers avoided mistakes like no other in the history of the game as far as throwing the ball away in 2018 ... he was 6-9-1.        I would prefer my QB not to make any mistakes.... that ain't going to happen.  We see them all make mistakes... but who can win games for you when things aren't going well?   Who can take a good team and rise them up to elite level.    So far regardless of how the individual stats look... in his career Wentz has impacted his bad teams to an average level, and his good team to an elite level.   That's just fact.  The impact is on winning games.  Much like Wilson having a brutal mistake filled game, and still putting up 34. and making it close.  I want my QB playing to win... not trying to play it safe and then being ok with other people taking the blame for the loss.... ie McNabb style.   you win or lose, style points for losers still make them losers.   

On 11/10/2020 at 8:50 AM, stine said:

Agree BG!  It can be argued that losing Dillard actually was a good thing. Mailata has been a pleasant surprise and allot of us think he may well be the future at LT.

 

  Also, there are very few O-Lines intact around the league. Having 4 of 5 is probably as good as every other team this year...

Right... but we aren't there.. that isn't what happened in the first half of the year...so we aren't like any other team... we've had at least 3 different players play at 4 of the 5 positions, some have had 4 different players at the spot. ...   it's great that we may get back to a level with some starters back, and even then, they haven't played together at all.  It's not like " every other team"   it's just not the reality, no matter how it gets spun.  First 8 games of the season... the Eagles are not like every other team... especially looking at just the offense.   Nobody has 9 starters out at one time, while half of those spots are filled with 3rd and 4th stringers, not just the backups.   It's not normal....lol.  

4 hours ago, jsb235 said:

Interesting discussion about Jeffery this morning on the ITB podcast.

Caplan said that the Eagles want him to play, but Mosher said that he didn't take part in Mondays light workout, which would indicate he doesn't want to be out there.

Both he and the Eagles face some uncertainty. If he plays and gets seriously hurt, the team is on the hook for money next year above the dead cap figure. If he doesn't play, he's not going to get any decent offer next year.

They said that Seumalo is on track to play barring any setbacks at practice. Sanders is also expected to play.

Malik Jackson is still banged up, which is concerning. They will need to sign a DT or elevate someone. Hester seems likely,

Jacquet will probably gets called up again because both James and Strap are still banged up, and if one of them can't go he has to dress. 

 

Jacquet should be on the 53 IMO

3 hours ago, time2rock said:

At this point I wouldn't play Jeffery unless we absolutely need him.  Even though it seems likely we make the postseason by winning a historically crappy division, I still consider this a lost season.  Even though some will claim "anything can happen", I think it is extremely unlikely that we have any success in the playoffs - we'll end up getting smoked by NO or Seattle in the first round.  So no sense taking away snaps from the younger WRs that have the potential to be a part of the future here.  The experience will only help better prepare them for larger roles as early as next year and also allow Carson to continue to build chemistry with them.  

I hold out hope,because we play tough against GOOD teams(it seems) and we struggle with teams we should beat.I still don't understand this

39 minutes ago, joemas6 said:

ultiple at the same position and constant changing of the lineup at those spots are more impactful than just having starters out.  

Been hammering on this all year lol

15 minutes ago, GreenbleedinNC said:

I hold out hope,because we play tough against GOOD teams(it seems) and we struggle with teams we should beat.I still don't understand this

IDK... maybe the inconsistent results are due to the inconsistent lineup .... and the fact that so many of the players that have played.... it was their first time in an NFL game???  

Mailata, Herbig, Dricsoll, Opeta , Hightower, Fulgham, Reagor, Huntley .... not sure about Toth or Brown???   The LBs don't have much experience...etc.    It's hard for me to gauge things... even a guy like Fulgham... it's 5 games ... a lot of work and time to put in for most of these guys.  Hard to expect much as far as saying ... this is what we know?   I can't say I know anything yet.  What if Hightower turns out to be one of these guys who never drops a ball and is great at tracking a long pass... just couldn't do it well at the start here?   The young OL... who knows how any turn out?     You have wanted a " minor league or developmental system"   well, these kids are getting it, just that its being thrown right into the mix at the NFL level.  No result going forward will surprise me.  They all show flashes, they all struggle.  Hard to predict which game or which play might go eitehr way?

Here's a look at all the sacks we have given up.

https://www.phillyvoice.com/look-eagles-nfl-leading-32-sacks-allowed-gifs-and-stuff-0599970/

Not a very pretty montage.

I would note that Kelce, Seumalo and Lane haven't given up any, and Herbig has only given up 1.5 despite playing 100 percent of the snaps. Peters was bad early on but fine in the Dallas game. So getting all of those guys on the field should help in the second half of the season.

Mailata has given up four, but two of them came when he was asked to "set flat," which is honestly a stupid thing for the coaches to ask him to do. Tra Thomas was losing his mind over that scheme, saying it puts a tackle in an impossible position. So why did they do it? Who knows. But when he sets normally, he is really tough to beat.

Regardless of who is out there, we can't give up sacks to the Giants. They just don't have the talent to get to our QB unless we play poorly. After that, I think the team just has to stay healthy.

I would note that, of the 8 teams we played in the first half of the season, four of them are ranked in the top six in sacks. Over the last eight games, only Washington is in the top five. So things will get a lot easier from here on out.