1 hour ago, joemas6 said:

Stine,  Russell Wilson had hown many turnovers on sunday????   To me the best player in the league.... and guess what, Seattle put up 34 points.     So what do we look at when we want to discuss the level of QBs?    There are 60-75 snaps per game.... so we focus on  the few that went wrong... or do we look at the overall effect he has on the game.   I like to look at the overall effect.. .the fact Wilson put up 34 points on a Buffalo defense that is pretty good.   Same with Wentz putting up 28 and 29 vs Baltimore and Pittsburgh.  That's the big picture.  They count points as the factor on winning and losing... not stats like INTs.      I use Foles and Rodgers as examples the other way.... Foles can win or put up and points right now.   Rodgers avoided mistakes like no other in the history of the game as far as throwing the ball away in 2018 ... he was 6-9-1.        I would prefer my QB not to make any mistakes.... that ain't going to happen.  We see them all make mistakes... but who can win games for you when things aren't going well?   Who can take a good team and rise them up to elite level.    So far regardless of how the individual stats look... in his career Wentz has impacted his bad teams to an average level, and his good team to an elite level.   That's just fact.  The impact is on winning games.  Much like Wilson having a brutal mistake filled game, and still putting up 34. and making it close.  I want my QB playing to win... not trying to play it safe and then being ok with other people taking the blame for the loss.... ie McNabb style.   you win or lose, style points for losers still make them losers.   

  Like I said, Even the great QB's have bad games. You use points as a barometer? I use turnovers. They dictate winning and losing. You turn the ball over 2-3 times to none and you will lose 95% of those games. You put up 30 points? Does that mean you are going to win 95% of the games? Yes we focus on a few that went wrong! Cripes that is the reason we lost! Problem is that most of these Mistakes could have been prevented. Mental errors. This week we have Kelce, Long and Either Peters or Mailata plus I heard Seumalo should be back. Many can argue that Mailata is better than Dillard would have been. You cannot ask for much more at this point of the season.  Also, how do you figure we are using 4th or 5th stringers? We have 20 O-Lineman on the roster? LOL We are at most 3 deep at any position and some players are mentioned twice. So if we bring in another body, that person is most likely a 3rd string player as the other is being used on the other side.....

58 minutes ago, joemas6 said:

IDK... maybe the inconsistent results are due to the inconsistent lineup .... and the fact that so many of the players that have played.... it was their first time in an NFL game???  

Mailata, Herbig, Dricsoll, Opeta , Hightower, Fulgham, Reagor, Huntley .... not sure about Toth or Brown???   The LBs don't have much experience...etc.    It's hard for me to gauge things... even a guy like Fulgham... it's 5 games ... a lot of work and time to put in for most of these guys.  Hard to expect much as far as saying ... this is what we know?   I can't say I know anything yet.  What if Hightower turns out to be one of these guys who never drops a ball and is great at tracking a long pass... just couldn't do it well at the start here?   The young OL... who knows how any turn out?     You have wanted a " minor league or developmental system"   well, these kids are getting it, just that its being thrown right into the mix at the NFL level.  No result going forward will surprise me.  They all show flashes, they all struggle.  Hard to predict which game or which play might go eitehr way?

Well, Herbig has played as well as any starter would only giving up 1.5 sacks. Mailata has been very impressive and may end up being the starting LT next year.  Hardly a 2nd string caliber Fulgham is not just a good WR he is the best we have had since TO based on his stats. As for why we play great against bad teams? Maybe it is the team we are playing is just playing down to our level.... Pittsburgh has a 12-10 record against teams who are over 3 games under .500 since 2008. Baltimore just let the foot off the gas or they would have smacked us.... You need to stop looking at the final scores as they can be misleading.....

1 hour ago, stine said:

heard Seumalo should be back.

Not sure if he will be playing but in the 21 day window to return. I’d say it’s unlikely he plays this week if I had to guess 

1 hour ago, stine said:

Pittsburgh has a 12-10 record against teams who are over 3 games under .500 since 2008. Baltimore just let the foot off the gas or they would have smacked us.... You need to stop looking at the final scores as they can be misleading.....

Being competitive against those teams is still impressive regardless. We can’t control how other teams come to play only control how we play. Lot of teams would have quit being down like we were so just to fight back deserves credit 

2 hours ago, joemas6 said:

IDK... maybe the inconsistent results are due to the inconsistent lineup .... and the fact that so many of the players that have played.... it was their first time in an NFL game???  

Mailata, Herbig, Dricsoll, Opeta , Hightower, Fulgham, Reagor, Huntley .... not sure about Toth or Brown???   The LBs don't have much experience...etc.    It's hard for me to gauge things... even a guy like Fulgham... it's 5 games ... a lot of work and time to put in for most of these guys.  Hard to expect much as far as saying ... this is what we know?   I can't say I know anything yet.  What if Hightower turns out to be one of these guys who never drops a ball and is great at tracking a long pass... just couldn't do it well at the start here?   The young OL... who knows how any turn out?     You have wanted a " minor league or developmental system"   well, these kids are getting it, just that its being thrown right into the mix at the NFL level.  No result going forward will surprise me.  They all show flashes, they all struggle.  Hard to predict which game or which play might go eitehr way?

Sure,but wondering what Ped does or says. Like I said, sometimes we come out flatter than a steam rolled pancake and also like I said, Ped waits until 1/2 time to make adjustments. The team my be ON or OFF,but there is no reason to come out flat and play like crap for 30 minutes.It seems when the D makes a play,they somehow become "inspired to win". IDK maybe it's just me. I like Scott, but he is not Sanders. I think having a constant in the backfield would help tremendously, that is, if Ped doesn't give up the running game

Looking ahead to the second half of the season, I think there are three areas where the team has to improve to compete with the best teams in the division.

1. Sacks. We gave up the most in the league in the first half, and I am hoping that number drops by a considerable margin in the second half. Getting some guys healthy should help, but Wentz has to be smarter as well.

2. Turnovers. Our differential is tied for the second worst in the league at -7. That number has to be positive the rest of the year. Again, Wentz has to be better. He has all our turnovers except one.

3. On defense, the back seven has to be better. This is actually the back five, as McLeod and Slay have been fine. And I think it's the back three, as I think Singleton and Edwards will give us better play at LB. But SS, CB2 and slot corner have to be better. One change I am hoping to see is more "heavy nickel" with Parks and Mills on the field at the same time. We go against two pretty bad offenses in the Giants and Browns, so the defense should be able to integrate the new faces, but after that we face tough tests the next four games. I don't think we need to play stellar on defense, but we have to play well enough to give our offense a chance. 

3 hours ago, stine said:

  Like I said, Even the great QB's have bad games. You use points as a barometer? I use turnovers. They dictate winning and losing.

So .... Brett Favre.    How Many MVPs ???   Trips to the SB, playoff wins?        He stinks then, because you look at turnovers?     so the winner and loser is determined more on turnovers than which team scores more points?     Take a step back and realize what you just said?    Winning and losing is dictated by turnovers..... not points.  

Why are the Eagles 3-4-1?    To me... they scored more points than the other team 3 times ... the other team scored more points than the Eagles 4 times ... and one game, they scored the same.     IDK what the turnovers look like... but the record and the standings are based on wins, which are based on which team scores more.  

How come the Packers didn't win the Superbowl in 2018 with Rodgers doing a stellar job avoiding turnovers?    Was it because they couldn't put up points?   Why do the Bears stink lately and keep losing?  Is it because Foles isn't taking care of the ball... or is it because he can't lead them to scores?     

Were the Eagles kicking ass in 2017 because Wentz was turning it over less... or was it because they were putting up major points?  The next 2 years he threw the same 7 INTs... but look at the points?    Game managing only takes you so far, it doesn't win titles without players around you and a good if not great defense.  Normally the QB will have to make plays and put up points.   The better the QB is, the more room he has to make mistakes, because of the better chance to overcome them by making plays.    

The opponent isn't looking at the one or two turnovers they are going to get... they are looking how many points the opposing QB can put up.  You don't fear Russell wilson, Mahomes, Lamar, Rodgers, Brees, Brady... because they aren't going to turn the ball over... you fear those guys because of how they can light up the scoreboard. 

 

A good breakdown of TJ Edwards against the Cowboys.

Some things I noticed. There's a play where he drops into zone coverage and follows a receiver down the seam. This is something we weren't getting from our LBs earlier in the season. There were too many easy completions where they would find the soft spot of zones. Edwards does a much better job at getting depth.

He is a stone cold killer against inside runs. The play where he slips the block and makes the tackle is something we have been missing all year.

The Giants game should be a great test for our LBs. They are going to run right at us and look to hit on short passes. The LBs will play a big part in stopping those plays from being successful. 

2 minutes ago, jsb235 said:

The Giants game should be a great test for our LBs

Come on not really Giants aren’t a great team or have a great QB there O pretty dreadful all around not really that huge of a test. It’s a far far cry from how would they look against Rodgers, Brees, Brady, Murray etc. 

As for Wentz I’ve stated it many times have to separate the two areas. Areas where Wentz himself has to improve things the team has nothing to do with vs things out of his control because of the team it’s a fine line for sure but don’t think it’s wrong to point out serious flaws in your QB though I’m also not the one over reacting on his play either.There are areas of his game that he needs to improve on using any excuses for them is just that an excuse. But in the same light you can clearly see the roster around I’m effect his play as well or stats. Can’t attack down field if you can’t block, he can throw perfect strikes all day but if the WRs don’t catch them nothing he can do about it. 
 

 

1 minute ago, Bleedinggreen93 said:

Come on not really Giants aren’t a great team or have a great QB there O pretty dreadful all around not really that huge of a test. It’s a far far cry from how would they look against Rodgers, Brees, Brady, Murray etc. 

It won't be a great test for our defense overall. They aren't gong to stretch the field or test our dline with a lot of deep drops and vertical routes. But if the WFT game was any indication, they will run the ball a lot and hit on short passes within 10 yards of the LOS, so it will put a lot of stress on the LBs.

15 minutes ago, jsb235 said:

It won't be a great test for our defense overall. They aren't gong to stretch the field or test our dline with a lot of deep drops and vertical routes. But if the WFT game was any indication, they will run the ball a lot and hit on short passes within 10 yards of the LOS, so it will put a lot of stress on the LBs.

We played the giants once already they couldn’t run on us don’t expect that to change and Slayton is really the key to the pass game if he doesn’t get involved no real threat. 

The real issue is for the LB do get exposed vs the giants we are going to be in trouble moving forward 

8 hours ago, jsb235 said:

I don't think our CB picture is anywhere near complete outside of Slay.

Maddox has been underwhelming. PFF has him rated under 50. I don't think it is a perfect way to measure performance, but in this case it matches what I have seen. A lot of beat writers say he is a slot corner playing outside, and he just can't do it. At this point I would call it a failed experiment.

NRC has rated just as poorly as Maddox, and is a much worse tackler. So he hurts us two ways in the slot, both in the passing and running game.

LeBlanc is a better tackler than NRC, but his rating is also under 50, giving us a trifecta of poop.

I have said many times that moving Mills to CB2, Maddox to the slot and starting either Parks or Epps at SS would be our best path forward, but I am resigned to that not happening.

  

 

8 hours ago, time2rock said:

Completely agree with all of this.  I too don't view Maddox as a starting caliber outside corner and have said all along that he should be moved to the slot (thought that is where he should have started the season ... never made sense to me to add NRC - we have a slew of slot CBs, should have targeted another outside CB).  

I totally disagree. Maddox is a perfect fit for FS

6 hours ago, stine said:

Not to mention Doug and Brett are best of buddies..... Maybe it is not coming from Brett. That would be a story.....

Very interesting thought. Knowing Carson is a huge fan of Favre.....he’d hear this to give him that chip he needs on his shoulder to get motivated. I really think this is very possible. 

5 minutes ago, cunninghamtheman said:

 

I totally disagree. Maddox is a perfect fit for FS

Well the point being he is not a good outside corner.  

6 hours ago, joemas6 said:

IDK,,, other teams have gone 12 or 13 deep on OL?  Both TEs, The main RB.... and what was supposed to be your top 3 or 4 WRs too.... like ALL of them out at the same time???????    

Like I said, for us now, we view 2nd stringers as pro bowl pieces... due to the level of depth that we have had to go to via 3rd, 4th and 5th string guys having to play.  I mean, look at OL.  WE have 4 starters out ... but lets say we were able to put a stable 2nd string OL of Peters, Herbig, Kelce, Pryor and Driscoll out there for a string of games.  Or even ... Mailata, Herbig, Kelce, Peters, Driscoll.   any of that combo... just to where it was only 2nd string and where they could have been playing together all this time.   That would be a much better situation.

We can't just say, every other team has injuries... it's not the same.   Multiple at the same position and constant changing of the lineup at those spots are more impactful than just having starters out.  

 

 

You’re a prisoner of homerism. Going by missed snaps connected to salaries we have been ranked as 9th most injured. That’s a significant amount of injuries to deal with....but not the worst at all.

Our losses tied to salaries are significantly self inflicted as well. DJax, Alshon, Peters, Malik....even Lane(he suffered this injury last season. Our staff didn’t handle it properly.).

3 minutes ago, cunninghamtheman said:

even Lane(he suffered this injury last season. Our staff didn’t handle it properly.).

I mean didn’t Lane have all off-season to deal with the injury and opted to wait till like what week before the season to get surgery. Not sure how that is on the staff 

They can’t force a player to get a surgery 

30 minutes ago, Bleedinggreen93 said:

I mean didn’t Lane have all off-season to deal with the injury and opted to wait till like what week before the season to get surgery. Not sure how that is on the staff 

They can’t force a player to get a surgery 

Because it wasn’t identified as needing surgery

Lane missed four games to end last season with this ankle injury. Are you suggesting the medical staff told him to have surgery and he refused?

9 minutes ago, cunninghamtheman said:

Because it wasn’t identified as needing surgery

How do you know what he was told and guys have personal doctors they don’t have to listen to the Eagles staff 

7 minutes ago, cunninghamtheman said:

Are you suggesting the medical staff told him to have surgery and he refused?

Yes highly possible they could have recommended surgery and he opted to not get in done. Or get a 2nd opinion from his doctors lots of unknown factors 

Trying to figure out what team in the NFC that everyone is so worried about? Nobody really scares me. If we can fix a few things and get some guys back I don’t really think we are that far off. Seattle’s D looks really...really bad. Zona is young and a bit inconsistent. GB and the Saints probably are the most formidable. But they aren’t unstoppable. Either of those suffer one key injury and everything really opens up quickly. We just need to keep improving with these young players.

But can we beat the giants? Don’t know about that either.

13 minutes ago, cunninghamtheman said:

Trying to figure out what team in the NFC that everyone is so worried about? Nobody really scares me. If we can fix a few things and get some guys back I don’t really think we are that far off. Seattle’s D looks really...really bad. Zona is young and a bit inconsistent. GB and the Saints probably are the most formidable. But they aren’t unstoppable. Either of those suffer one key injury and everything really opens up quickly. We just need to keep improving with these young players.

But can we beat the giants? Don’t know about that either.

The sweet and sour feeling of being an Eagles fan.

When Wentz is on, I think we can hang with anybody. But when he's off, we wallow in the muck with the Cowboys and Giants.

Our defense has to be better in the second half of the season. But I don't think it has to be much better if Wentz finds his groove.