3rd draft at 730. team 3/4 drafting from 9. The others were both 8 . I have no luck at all LOL

31 minutes ago, GreenbleedinNC said:

Pity, I would hope siri was smarter than that. Maybe Mar is better with the 1's. hard to know,but McKee looks sharp

Mariota gets first chance... chance... that means it's absolutely possible if he sucks then the rookie comes in.    

It doesn't mean Mariota stays if he plays bad.   It's common sense.  It's a real game not preseason.  

Remember when you wanted Sudfeld instead of Foles after Wentz got hurt.

It's the natural order... let's not overreact other than to be happy for the kid.

4 hours ago, joemas6 said:

Mariota gets first chance... chance... that means it's absolutely possible if he sucks then the rookie comes in.    

It doesn't mean Mariota stays if he plays bad.   It's common sense.  It's a real game not preseason.  

Remember when you wanted Sudfeld instead of Foles after Wentz got hurt.

It's the natural order... let's not overreact other than to be happy for the kid.

LMAO I am not overreacting, merely saying he outplayed Mariota and it wasn't even close. I mean NOT EVEN CLOSE. They will put Mar in cause they paid him,but it's clear who the #2 should be if McKee keeps this up. NOT CLOSE

7 hours ago, joemas6 said:

Imagine the mindset.... let's not give my QB anything ... so we don't have to pay him?    

But forget how dumb that sounds as a competitor.... think about what would have happened with Dak.

He didn't sign,  he got tagged because he wanted to hold out for the big money.    Why do you think that would have changed?    

He had 3 years with Cooper before he signed.    Would your plan be to suck for 3 years so you don't have to pay your QB?

That's what you would have preferred with Hurts?   Don't bring AJ because with a better year now we have to pay him?

Instead we gave him everything to succeed... he went to Superbowl... got paid the highest at the time ...  yet the cap hit is $12 mil less than Hargrave.    

Why...because the Eagles know how to write contracts. 

If they had Dallas draft results over that time... we would be looking at multiple SBs.  Player decision was thr issue...not cap management. 

Alright contract master. So when would Jerruh have first been able to extend Dak Prescott? Let’s start there…so you can understand how trading for Cooper midseason of 2018 had a major impact on the Dak negotiations.

17 minutes ago, GreenbleedinNC said:

LMAO I am not overreacting, merely saying he outplayed Mariota and it wasn't even close. I mean NOT EVEN CLOSE. They will put Mar in cause they paid him,but it's clear who the #2 should be if McKee keeps this up. NOT CLOSE

Yes...in a preseason game playing with guys who are going to get cut...The rookie played much better.   With the starters, Mariota will get the first shot if it means something.  The first shot.  That's it.

5 minutes ago, cunninghamtheman said:

Alright contract master. So when would Jerruh have first been able to extend Dak Prescott? Let’s start there…so you can understand how trading for Cooper midseason of 2018 had a major impact on the Dak negotiations.

After 2018.  

Which Dak didn't take the deal. And played out 2019.  He wouldn't have taken a lesser deal because Jerruh would have given him crap.  He would have finished the contract.   Then they tagged him year 5.   Which would have been the same if Jerruh offered less.

In other words.  Dak wasn't going to take less..  Cooper or no Cooper.

So Dak played with Cooper...2018, 2019 and 2020 before he signed.  

1 minute ago, joemas6 said:

After 2018.  

Which Dak didn't take the deal. And played out 2019.  He wouldn't have taken a lesser deal because Jerruh would have given him crap.  He would have finished the contract.   Then they tagged him year 5.   Which would have been the same if Jerruh offered less.

In other words.  Dak wasn't going to take less..  Cooper or no Cooper.

So trading for Cooper raised Dak’s leverage to even think about getting paid so much.

Cooper was added half a season before Dak could be extended. Not sure how you don’t see how that so significantly impacted how the situation ended up unfolding like it did.

17 minutes ago, cunninghamtheman said:

So trading for Cooper raised Dak’s leverage to even think about getting paid so much.

You aren't getting it... a player has his value what he thinks he is worth.   Why would Dak think he was worth less ?  His excuse would have been, you didn't give me a WR, I'm not going to take less because of your issue.

The league could have valued Dak lower... but he would have played out year 4 just like he did.  

So you are saying Jerry shouldn't have tried to better the team from 2018 - 2020

If Howie did that, you would approve?

Regardless of if Dallas got Cooper... the franchise tag # for Dak year 5 would have been the same.   No difference in anything until year 6... so again... Cooper came in year 3...  to sabotage your team for 3 years so you don't have to pay your QB...can't get more of a loser mindset than that.

But in Ham world Dak would have given in and signed a lower deal if they didn't sign Cooper???.

FWIW just wanted to share

https://theeagleswire.usatoday.com/lists/philadelphia-eagles-news-nolan-smith-training-camp-national-reaction-practice/?itm_medium=recirc&itm_source=taboola&itm_campaign=internal&itm_content=BelowArticleFeed-SMG

41 minutes ago, joemas6 said:

Yes...in a preseason game playing with guys who are going to get cut...The rookie played much better.   With the starters, Mariota will get the first shot if it means something.  The first shot.  That's it.

Yes we all know you must play the money guys first,but Mar is in danger of losing the #2,spin it however you choose to

14 minutes ago, joemas6 said:

You aren't getting it... a player has his value what he thinks he is worth.   Why would Dak think he was worth less ?  His excuse would have been, you didn't give me a WR, I'm not going to take less because of your issue.

Nope…after even getting Cooper and ever since Dak has been questionable at best to pay the top dollar. Jerruh seemingly made the move for Cooper just to figure out if Dak was even worthy of being considered a Franchise Player. Unless he was completely unrealistic before Cooper he had no case to make for being paid top elite money. He was more in a position to jump just at receiving big money. Remember Dak wasn’t a first round pick. He hadn’t really made much money yet. As soon as Cooper came on board that is what launched Dak. Frankly he never has been a good enough player to deserve top elite money. Cooper raised him above his station in the league. Little more smoke and mirrors than actually Dak being such a stud.

23 minutes ago, joemas6 said:

You aren't getting it... a player has his value what he thinks he is worth.   Why would Dak think he was worth less ?  His excuse would have been, you didn't give me a WR, I'm not going to take less because of your issue.

 

21 minutes ago, joemas6 said:

The league could have valued Dak lower... but he would have played out year 4 just like he did.  

So you are saying Jerry shouldn't have tried to better the team from 2018 - 2020

If Howie did that, you would approve?

 

17 minutes ago, joemas6 said:

Regardless of if Dallas got Cooper... the franchise tag # for Dak year 5 would have been the same.   No difference in anything until year 6... so again... Cooper came in year 3...  to sabotage your team for 3 years so you don't have to pay your QB...can't get more of a loser mindset than that.

Slow down and backup here Contract Master. Dak had 3,200 yards and then jumped to 3,800 yards off Cooper being added midseason that year. Dak had zero grounds and leverage to look and demand elite largest contract signing expectation before Cooper. A player that’s made no real money yet…jumps at a large payday extension immediately when eligible. Cooper gave him all the leverage and even thought he could command top money. All that happened after Cooper was driven by what Cooper made Dak into. 

19 minutes ago, EaglesTD123 said:

FWIW just wanted to share

https://theeagleswire.usatoday.com/lists/philadelphia-eagles-news-nolan-smith-training-camp-national-reaction-practice/?itm_medium=recirc&itm_source=taboola&itm_campaign=internal&itm_content=BelowArticleFeed-SMG

I think we have a great shot at the SB again. It;s going to be tougher games,which would actually prepare us better for a run. I'm still saying 12-5. We need to beat Dullaz and the gnats. As always that is the goal

8 minutes ago, GreenbleedinNC said:

I think we have a great shot at the SB again. It;s going to be tougher games,which would actually prepare us better for a run. I'm still saying 12-5. We need to beat Dullaz and the gnats. As always that is the goal

NFCE is back. I love it!

23 minutes ago, joemas6 said:

But in Ham world Dak would have given in and signed a lower deal if they didn't sign Cooper???.

This is exactly what took place. It’s easy to even understand it’s true once you grasp the events how they unfolded. Which I’ll now lay out for you to easily understand how obvious what I’m telling you was the situation.

  Dak was what? A fourth round pick. Hadn’t made squat first three seasons. He grew and looked decent before Jerruh trade me for Cooper. Nobody considered Dak a franchise level player at that point. Just no reasonable case to even make otherwise. Before Cooper he was just trying to make the case of he was good enough to be their starting QB. A fourth round pick that showed he could play in the league. But nothing looking elite. So if Jerruh never trades for Cooper mid way of Dak’s third season. Cooper obviously had a great effect on Dak’s production right from the get go. So without that move Dak doesn’t get that stat boost to finish his third year. At that point most any player would be jumping at a solid QB type money extension. Would have been huge for Dak. The money…but locking in remaining worthy of unquestioned Cowboys starting QB going forward. Don’t need the elite top paid QB contract to be made incredibly rich.

27 minutes ago, GreenbleedinNC said:

Yes we all know you must play the money guys first,but Mar is in danger of losing the #2,spin it however you choose to

To me, it's more significant if the kid plays well... he is under contract for 4 cheap years.  It would be a nice long term piece.

24 minutes ago, cunninghamtheman said:

Nope…after even getting Cooper and ever since Dak has been questionable at best to pay the top dollar. Jerruh seemingly made the move for Cooper just to figure out if Dak was even worthy of being considered a Franchise Player. Unless he was completely unrealistic before Cooper he had no case to make for being paid top elite money. He was more in a position to jump just at receiving big money. Remember Dak wasn’t a first round pick. He hadn’t really made much money yet. As soon as Cooper came on board that is what launched Dak. Frankly he never has been a good enough player to deserve top elite money. Cooper raised him above his station in the league. Little more smoke and mirrors than actually Dak being such a stud.

Wasn't Dak good his rookie year?   And again..  you skip the point I'm making.    In order for Dallas to save money on Dak...Dak himself would have had to agree.  Why would he take less instead of playing out year 4... and getting tagged year 5?    

They tagged Dak because he would have left for nothing after year 4.  

In no universe would you prefer the Eagles to put Hurts or any other Eagles QB to fail.   That's a loser mentality. 

So without Cooper…Jerruh could work the deal with Dak. Obviously Dak’s agent negotiated like a pro. But elite top franchise QB money is laughable to expect. No real leverage to ever pull that off. At that point it would be more about just getting an extension and locking in being the starting QB. Dak was just a fourth rounder that succeeded by gaining an extension. Wouldn’t have been peanuts. QBs get paid …even the middling level starters. It’s a big deal. 

If you are trying to say that if Dallas didn't sign Cooper... in 2018.. then Dak would have simply played out his contract and left after 2019... and so the Cowboys wouldn't have had Dak the last 3 years... then that's different. 

If you are saying...you think Dallas should have stunk on purpose in 2018 and 2019... then just let Dak walk... ok. But that's not what teams do.

2 minutes ago, cunninghamtheman said:

So without Cooper…Jerruh could work the deal with Dak. Obviously Dak’s agent negotiated like a pro. But elite top franchise QB money is laughable to expect. No real leverage to ever pull that off. At that point it would be more about just getting an extension and locking in being the starting QB. Dak was just a fourth rounder that succeeded by gaining an extension. Wouldn’t have been peanuts. QBs get paid …even the middling level starters. It’s a big deal. 

Ham... Dak wasn't going to sign.  No cheap deal.   He was prepared to walk.  Why is it hard to understand?

Brutha ain't taking no discount!!!