He fell into round 6. I'll take him as a WIP

Late flier WR. Small school. Will need some work, but the talent is there

And, the guy I want to add to our stable. He is overshadowed by Chase, who should be the first WR off the board

https://saintswire.usatoday.com/2020/10/18/saints-joe-horn-jaycee-horn-highlights-south-carolina-auburn-score/      If I have to wait till 5 and this guy is there I'd pull the trigger. He is the son of former WR  Joe Horn from the Saints

16 hours ago, GreenbleedinNC said:

SO without an O line Wentz is as good as Foles??? So far,that seems to be the case.You can spin it however you want joe. "O lines matter".Why spend 100 mil,then let your O line go to H. Why did you pay the loot for a QB and ignore your O line? Fail

Idk if the OL was a fail?   4 starters got hurt.  Along with a bunch of injuries to the backups.  

22 hours ago, cunninghamtheman said:

I think Rosie already blew this. He had offers. Two were confirmed. I think he just gets dropped now. Just absorb No Mas favorite dead money(you know because of all the savings LOL).

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13 hours ago, cunninghamtheman said:

Hicks was a FA that got a big contract to leave that we were never going to pay. Rowe we traded.

Correct...  it's why every time you use the argument about our cap situation and then hint that we could use the money for LBs, I laugh.  They don't want to pay LBs nor do they want to draft them high.   

I think it's been a mistake for decades now. I get that Robinson was the last LB drafted in round 1, what was it 1979 or 1980?   But we had strong LB corps from Vermeil all the way to Kotite.  I think Lurie/ Banner have the influence on the lack of emphasis on LB for this long.  It's hard to put together a top D without the LBs, they do so many jobs.  I don't think coincidence the 2017 D was up there, behind the DL was a solid group... Hicks, Bradham and Kendricks.  Big drop off it seems now. Seems more than just a talent thing too, seems a lot of missed assignments/ communication. 

I know we need a lot of help on both lines via the next few drafts,  but if the BPA is a LB, just finally pull the trigger and take him. 

11 hours ago, cunninghamtheman said:

Had Ertz not gotten injured, Green Bay and Baltimore both would have been logical potential landing spots if the Eagles made him available for trade.

Why would Baltimore be logical? They have Andrews? 

11 hours ago, cunninghamtheman said:

So I’m seeing going down like: a few teams were willing to deal for Ertz. Rosie gambled hoping maybe he could make the offer just a bit sweeter if Ertz had a good game...to counter his bad season. Ertz got hurt in the game instead. Offers obviously went down...or likely completely disappeared. Rosie held out hope for a day or two that he could still pull something off. He couldn’t. Placed Ertz on IR.

Agree 100% on premise Howie wanted too much or more for Ertz.  Imo, I think Ertz is the character guy they like and put value in that.  I think it's like asking too much because you really don't want to get rid of a guy ...that type of thing.    I also think it might be that teams made initial calls.... and Howie wanted time to negotiate with leverage in a bidding war type thing.   

Goedert was also injured first, might have given the feeling of a forfeit if we traded Ertz.  As fans I think we were fine, but maybe he was concerned about the message to the team?

Idk, but we missed the chance.  

10 hours ago, cunninghamtheman said:

  More like Ertz kind of sucking and trying to force the trade hand because we’ve all been seeing he wasn’t going to get the new money he wanted here...and now. 
   All that doesn’t matter now though. Ertz can’t be traded anymore this season.
 

But I don't think he gets that money anywhere else either.   

6 hours ago, GreenbleedinNC said:

As I said though,if you want to be better than team B you gotta pay SOMEONE. If you try to go cheap every year you will be at the bottom every year(which we are anyhow lol)

You can’t be overpaying older plays for their play from previous seasons. We are a crazy amount of the cap next season. It’s not about going cheap.

2 hours ago, joemas6 said:

Why would Baltimore be logical? They have Andrews? 

That was the report. Don’t shoot the messenger. But Andrews hasn’t been having as big of season. Really low production at the trade deadline. His biggest game has been 58 yards this season. Baltimore needs a little more receiving. They also like running with two or even three TEs.

2 hours ago, joemas6 said:

But I don't think he gets that money anywhere else either.   

Yes, I don’t think Ertz plan worked out well for him. He needed to be traded early this season. Then him forcing the trade works for him. Now he’s just hurt his value. BUT...he now has all the reason in the world to try and light it up the rest of the season once he can return. 

So some good news Semaulo should be back at G this week Opeta has been a disaster when he asked him to play. 

3 minutes ago, Bleedinggreen93 said:

So some good news Semaulo should be back at G this week Opeta has been a disaster when he asked him to play. 

Opeta was really good this past week. 

Looking at our schedule it’s going to be tough but at the same time none of the teams we play seem unbeatable either.

Cleveland- when they are hot they are hot but they have a ton of cold stretches and the team looks dreadful.

GB- might be the most dangerous team but they lost to Minnesota, Bucs destroyed them and barely escaped the Jags.

Seattle- we always play Seattle terrible but they probably have the worst D in football as well.

NO- if Brees hasn’t returned that massive though we tend to play the Saints terrible as well.

AZ- Honestly think we are screwed on them Murray running will shred our D they bring guys in motion and use jet sweeps all things we are terrible at defending. That’s before we even got to the stud WR core they have.

5 minutes ago, jsb235 said:

Opeta was really good this past week. 

Not from the things I heard and read 

4 minutes ago, Bleedinggreen93 said:

Not from the things I heard and read 

PFF grades are sometimes pretty inaccurate, so take them with a grain of salt, but he was graded at 66.5, which was third best after Lane and Peters.

I watched him specifically for the first two drives and he was fine. He was also left one on one a lot as Kelce was helping out Pryor.

Overall, Opeta is somewhat limited in that he is never going to pull well or get to the second level. But he's strong enough to take on DTs one v one and is fine as a run blocker in a limited capacity. So while getting Seumalo back will be an upgrade, if Opeta can keep playing at the level he did on Sunday, he is perfectly fine as a backup.  

On his podcast this morning, Adam Caplan said a few interesting things. One is that Wentz is staring down receivers, Another is that the game plan against the Giants was pretty bad, and there should have been more slant and dig patterns, since they were in a two deep zone.

He also said that Doug is feeling pressure because the roster is better than the team's record, so it will be on him to turn things around.

In terms of the upcoming game, this will be a good test for the linebackers. Chubb and Hunt both went for 100 yards against the Texans, so Edwards and Singleton will have their hands full.

7 hours ago, joemas6 said:

Idk if the OL was a fail?   4 starters got hurt.  Along with a bunch of injuries to the backups.  

Yeah I was just comparing it to the Foles situation. A good O line makes mediocre QB's look good. Neither guy has one

7 hours ago, joemas6 said:

Correct...  it's why every time you use the argument about our cap situation and then hint that we could use the money for LBs, I laugh.  They don't want to pay LBs nor do they want to draft them high.   

I think it's been a mistake for decades now. I get that Robinson was the last LB drafted in round 1, what was it 1979 or 1980?   But we had strong LB corps from Vermeil all the way to Kotite.  I think Lurie/ Banner have the influence on the lack of emphasis on LB for this long.  It's hard to put together a top D without the LBs, they do so many jobs.  I don't think coincidence the 2017 D was up there, behind the DL was a solid group... Hicks, Bradham and Kendricks.  Big drop off it seems now. Seems more than just a talent thing too, seems a lot of missed assignments/ communication. 

I know we need a lot of help on both lines via the next few drafts,  but if the BPA is a LB, just finally pull the trigger and take him. 

BTW we changed defensive schemes in here somewhere 4-3 to 3-4 ,then back to 4-3

5 hours ago, cunninghamtheman said:

You can’t be overpaying older plays for their play from previous seasons. We are a crazy amount of the cap next season. It’s not about going cheap.

Depends who you overpay.....and more importantly how long they last. So we "overpaid" Alshon and Djax for basically ZERO production. "Overpaid" Peters because he had us over a barrel (because of injuries and other lack of planning). If you want the talent, you open the checkbook. Just need to be smart(and perhaps lucky also) where you place that loot. I am old school "promote from  within". Unfortunately we can't do that due to lack of player development, so we are always behind the curve (TE is an exception). So, we have a quality TE who led the league before, so for me, the decision is, is this the player I want to pay? Will he make the difference? You can answer yes or no based on your own opinion, but the fact remains unless you nail draft picks annually, you will end up paying somebody, somewhere, at some position. This lack of player development, bad draft choices(not necessarily bad players,just bad choices) , means we have to go out and PAY someone. So now,I am "OK" with our WR's. Could they be better? Of course, you never stop trying to improve. Like Sanders, Scott for me is an adequate BU, but we need that 1/2 punch we had before. Clement did well,then faded away (why????) Holyfield is a PS BU nothing more. As we see rooks are making impacts league wide (as some of our young guys are even 2nd year guys), so I am all for going young. But we also like to have a vet presence in the locker rooms. It's a fluid process that will continue after I am gone. Remember this was supposed to be the year we put it all back together, we got Wentz weapons. Our main failure(as usual) was to address the O line,D line and secondary, once again we have to PAY for mediocrity because we cannot develop these players. Is Slay overpaid?? IDK and noone can forsee injury. We just get hammered on that every year. For my money I get a new S&C staff,I go out and replace some developmental staff because I won't stand for "mediocre". I think this would be where my efforts start on the off season. Give me the best O line in the league, then even I can play RB (or QB) and do well. Conversely,give me the best D line and I can be frugal(like we are) on the secondary. but you need one of the other,and we have neither. say what you want(and you will),but I still respect Garrett. Yeah,we beat them the first time around, but now he is getting his players where he wants them and we saw the result and the Gnats O looked totally better(even without Bark)

21 hours ago, cunninghamtheman said:

Hicks was a FA that got a big contract to leave that we were never going to pay. Rowe we traded.

Well, he signed for 9 mill a year. I am sure the Eagles could have gotten Hicks for less. Rowe was basically given away for a 6th rounder (possibly a 5th but never happened). In both cases they could have done better in my mind...

5 hours ago, cunninghamtheman said:

That was the report. Don’t shoot the messenger. But Andrews hasn’t been having as big of season. Really low production at the trade deadline. His biggest game has been 58 yards this season. Baltimore needs a little more receiving. They also like running with two or even three TEs.

Andrews is a RZ threat. Thats all they needed him to be. Ertz would give them the TE play between the 20's. I assume that's why they were looking

5 hours ago, cunninghamtheman said:

Yes, I don’t think Ertz plan worked out well for him. He needed to be traded early this season. Then him forcing the trade works for him. Now he’s just hurt his value. BUT...he now has all the reason in the world to try and light it up the rest of the season once he can return. 

I don't think a trade would have helped him get any more $$$. He is paid fine.  He isn't on the level of those top guys, nor does he have the youth for the " potential" mindset that some guys get paid for.  Nobody will give him the significant $$ he wants.  

Leaving here to squeeze out a little more doesn't seem like a thing he is about. If you want a reason for negative attitude...he knows the Eagles pay guys they want, he wasn't getting elite money, I think realization he isn't elite , or thought of as that way by the Eagles was a blow to the ego. 

But I still just think it's more the attention he gets in the current offense without outside weapons, and also don't think a 2 TE set helps him.

Andrews is fine in Baltimore,  eye test more so than stats. 

1 hour ago, jsb235 said:

Opeta was really good this past week. 

All the linemen are always good when you grade them individually  it seems.  Collectively the line stinks with being able to pass block well for 2 plays in a row.  

I wonder if missed assignments count vs the " grading"  ??? Every media guy I heard seemed to think Opeta struggled though