5 minutes ago, Bleedinggreen93 said:

And a true QB wouldn’t have have had so many 3 and outs when we out the ball in his hands.. much larger sample as well… see how horrible tge take sounds 

All on the QB, right? That’s what you are saying. No legit starting RB doesn’t factor in. New playcaller first NFL game calling plays isn’t a factor for you. In fact he’s a first time OC to start with. No PS playing for our starters you don’t factor in, you admit. I think all these factors matter. But it’s not the end of the world yet. Just week one….and the team is learning on the job. Got the W! Moving forward 1-0 but understanding much growth is needed going forward. Maybe start with not dressing Gainwell instead of Penny this time and see how that effects things.

13 minutes ago, joemas6 said:

So he should be able to see Goedert.   Showing the ability to play means he can do it.

It's OK to admit he had a terrible game.  It doesn't take away anything from the past. 

I think most eveybody had a bad game. Hurts wasn’t terrible. He had a few spectacular plays that won us the game. Best Oline we invest so much in you don’t point out theirs flaws. Several guys there making top dollar. Where is your consistency? Just Hurts hating!

AJ bobbles the catch. He’s paid top dollar. Not one mention of blame from you. No level of him performing like Jerry Rice expectations from you there.

5 minutes ago, cunninghamtheman said:

All on the QB, right? That’s what you are saying. No legit starting RB doesn’t factor in. New playcaller first NFL game calling plays isn’t a factor for you. In fact he’s a first time OC to start with. No PS playing for our starters you don’t factor in, you admit. I think all these factors matter. But it’s not the end of the world yet. Just week one….and the team is learning on the job. Got the W! Moving forward 1-0 but understanding much growth is needed going forward. Maybe start with not dressing Gainwell instead of Penny this time and see how that effects things.

Not all on anyone....but the QB makes the most decisions...and if it's pass plays....then it's more on him ...certainly than a RB.

I saw some lazy routes..etc.  definitely not all on Hurts. But he played poorly. 

6 minutes ago, cunninghamtheman said:

All on the QB, right? That’s what you are saying.

Not at all hence the last line about being a terrible take I was being sarcastic by taking a tiny window and making a claim 

22 minutes ago, Bleedinggreen93 said:

Think there are plenty of guys up there Mahomes for one, healthy Joey B, Herbert up there.., they are all playing like top tier QBs there games not the same as Bree’s but they still playing at his level 

None of them displaying Drew Brees level vision and accuracy. It’s like you admit it right in your post even…but then circle back around.

7 minutes ago, cunninghamtheman said:

All on the QB, right? That’s what you are saying. No legit starting RB doesn’t factor in. New playcaller first NFL game calling plays isn’t a factor for you. In fact he’s a first time OC to start with. No PS playing for our starters you don’t factor in, you admit. I think all these factors matter. But it’s not the end of the world yet. Just week one….and the team is learning on the job. Got the W! Moving forward 1-0 but understanding much growth is needed going forward. Maybe start with not dressing Gainwell instead of Penny this time and see how that effects things.

So why doesn’t Gainwell get the same excuse of new play caller first time OC? Or the starters on the OL that block for gains.

But it’s obvious that gains is just bad 

1 minute ago, cunninghamtheman said:

AJ bobbles the catch. He’s paid top dollar. Not one mention of blame from you. No level of him performing like Jerry Rice expectations from you there.

I think it's a more difficult physical play to make that catch....then to simply miss wide open guys multiple times.  When it's the same guy...it's a little concerning.   

Remember when the narrative was the previous QB didn't look at certain WRs?   With the $250 mil... Hurts should at least be held to that standard.   

I mean you thought the other guy had to be a " savior" ...now we pay Hurts double and because he didn't have a TE in college that's an excuse?

1 minute ago, cunninghamtheman said:

None of them displaying Drew Brees level vision and accuracy. It’s like you admit it right in your post even…but then circle back around.

You mean the Drew Bree’s that was in his mid 30s with years under his belt lol 😂 yea they have all shown his caliber of vision at the same age… could argue some are even far better at the same age 

2 minutes ago, joemas6 said:

Not all on anyone....but the QB makes the most decisions...and if it's pass plays....then it's more on him ...certainly than a RB.

I saw some lazy routes..etc.  definitely not all on Hurts. But he played poorly. 

Not all even on our players and coaches. Other team gets paid also. Just got to recognize some of the brilliance of what they did on D. That play he made with a huge hit right on the ball near the end was a great play by them! Instead of Hurts Hating trying to find reasons to blame our leader for all issues….sometimes just realize what the opponent was doing so well with.

Just now, cunninghamtheman said:

Not all even on our players and coaches. Other team gets paid also. Just got to recognize some of the brilliance of what they did on D. That play he made with a huge hit right on the ball near the end was a great play by them! Instead of Hurts Hating trying to find reasons to blame our leader for all issues….sometimes just realize what the opponent was doing so well with.

Brilliant D

1 minute ago, cunninghamtheman said:

Not all even on our players and coaches. Other team gets paid also. Just got to recognize some of the brilliance of what they did on D. That play he made with a huge hit right on the ball near the end was a great play by them! Instead of Hurts Hating trying to find reasons to blame our leader for all issues….sometimes just realize what the opponent was doing so well with.

Brilliant D except for when Gainwell had the ball?

2 minutes ago, Bleedinggreen93 said:

So why doesn’t Gainwell get the same excuse of new play caller first time OC? Or the starters on the OL that block for gains.

But it’s obvious that gains is just bad 

My position has been a fairly all encompassing one. I noticed mistakes and sloppy play across the board from players and coaches. Gainwell is a coaching and GM mistake mostly though. Not his fault. He is what he is. He did ok. He made good gains on plays setup perfectly. Could have been huge gains by a better player however. Turning over the O from a Pro Bowl player at RB to a third string talent level player has its effects. We witnessed them. If Gainwell remains the starting workhorse RB all season the O is not going to perform nearly as well. Pay Hurts whatever amounts of money won’t change that.

I'll give you my take... and then what it seems you have an problem seeing.

1.  Rust 

2. Weather 

3.  NE D is pretty good...better run D though 

4. I think the RB usage was not good, don't like one guy ...regardless of who.... to be in so many plays in a row, and Penny over Scott for me.

5. Coordinators first games, not great.

6.  QB didn't play well.

3 minutes ago, joemas6 said:

Brilliant D

Actually is. Disguised the coverage and blitz. Both showing their best pass rusher coming free at Hurts. Was Hurts limited height a factor in seeing over the free rusher right in between him and Goedert both freeze frames? Very likely. Was the read by many on our O presnap, including QB, wrong? Very likely,

Just now, joemas6 said:

I'll give you my take... and then what it seems you have an problem seeing.

1.  Rust 

2. Weather 

3.  NE D is pretty good...better run D though 

4. I think the RB usage was not good, don't like one guy ...regardless of who.... to be in so many plays in a row, and Penny over Scott for me.

5. Coordinators first games, not great.

6.  QB didn't play well.

That's a list of 6 things ...in no order... but I feel Ham just needs to skip over #6.   All he reads is #6... it's all #6.    All Hurts. 

If you give Hurts Amy blame...it's giving him all of it.   He played poorly... mentally more so than physically.   

The whole TE in college thing after the last 2 years with Goedert is just ridiculous defense.   It shows you can't give honest assessment on Hurts.

If he is one of 100 problems..then we are haters.   It's really ridiculous that a person thinks like this now.  He is untouchable as far as criticism... ridiculous. 

5 minutes ago, cunninghamtheman said:

My position has been a fairly all encompassing one. I noticed mistakes and sloppy play across the board from players and coaches. Gainwell is a coaching and GM mistake mostly though. Not his fault. He is what he is. He did ok. He made good gains on plays setup perfectly. Could have been huge gains by a better player however. Turning over the O from a Pro Bowl player at RB to a third string talent level player has its effects. We witnessed them. If Gainwell remains the starting workhorse RB all season the O is not going to perform nearly as well. Pay Hurts whatever amounts of money won’t change that.

Sanders blows....he fumbles twice in that weather...obviously not popular with his teammates being nobody cared he left.  

8 minutes ago, cunninghamtheman said:

If Gainwell remains the starting workhorse RB all season the O is not going to perform nearly as well. Pay Hurts whatever amounts of money won’t change that.

But that why we paid Hurts teams that pay a QB don’t generally have the same caliber talent as the teams that have a rookie scaled QB…. The reason the QB makes up the difference 

8 minutes ago, joemas6 said:

I'll give you my take... and then what it seems you have an problem seeing.

1.  Rust 

2. Weather 

3.  NE D is pretty good...better run D though 

4. I think the RB usage was not good, don't like one guy ...regardless of who.... to be in so many plays in a row, and Penny over Scott for me.

5. Coordinators first games, not great.

6.  QB didn't play well.

More reasonable take

5 minutes ago, joemas6 said:

That's a list of 6 things ...in no order... but I feel Ham just needs to skip over #6.   All he reads is #6... it's all #6.    All Hurts. 

If you give Hurts Amy blame...it's giving him all of it.   He played poorly... mentally more so than physically.   

The whole TE in college thing after the last 2 years with Goedert is just ridiculous defense.   It shows you can't give honest assessment on Hurts.

If he is one of 100 problems..then we are haters.   It's really ridiculous that a person thinks like this now.  He is untouchable as far as criticism... ridiculous. 

You actually are pointing to what I clearly described as a weakness for Hurts….and use that as evidence towards the opposite? My take was Hurts has a weakness looking towards TE. You say " this shows I can’t give an honest assessment.” Backwards logic If I’ve ever heard before.

When you call yourself more intelligent than anyone else because you complain about every litte thing on the roster... yet the QB plays poorly and you can't admit it....that's not intelligent. 

The agenda...

HOWIE sucks... his ways are not good despite the results.   The need for SF to be good...because they have a RB and LB...cleared cap after 4 years of the toilet. 

So Sanders has to be good, and dumb we let him go.  Gainwell stinks because the Eagles obviously like him

It's so desperate of an agenda that we lost the SB because we didn't use Boston Scott ...and Hurts didn't see Goedert wide open because back in college ( 2019) he didn't have a TE.

 

Dallas manages the cap well...because they have RBs and LBs.

6 minutes ago, cunninghamtheman said:

More reasonable take

It's the take everyone is saying....you just don't pay attention...you see red every time Hurts is mentioned as an issue. 

10 minutes ago, joemas6 said:

Sanders blows....he fumbles twice in that weather...obviously not popular with his teammates being nobody cared he left.  

Pro Bowl RB sucks. No agenda being forced by you here at all.

8 minutes ago, Bleedinggreen93 said:

But that why we paid Hurts teams that pay a QB don’t generally have the same caliber talent as the teams that have a rookie scaled QB…. The reason the QB makes up the difference 

Clearly have problems fielding as good a team with so much backloaded contracts and dead cap weighing the team down. If you are pointing towards Hurts 6 million cap hit as reasoning we can’t field a hood enough team? You might as well give up all hope now. His cap hit won’t be getting lower. 6 mil cap hit is tiny for a QB. To use that as an excuse is a pathetic reach trying to be a Hurts Hater!