7 minutes ago, cunninghamtheman said:

Sounding like Clark going back to KC. He’s a key player that is in the way of us trading any DT clearly.

So you would trade Cox to KC for a 3rd round pick?

17 minutes ago, joemas6 said:

I don't care who plays the first snap...ie who starts.    I prefer Swift to be on the field for as much as possible...when the big play is needed.   The blocking, the plays where we need sound assignments from the RB...that's where Gainwell can play.   

Splitting time maxes out the production and protects from injury.   The right guy in the right situation is going to matter more than " who starts " or the % split. 

I really prefer a 3rd RB to factor in...so we can get back to 2021 rushing.  We get 2021 rushing...with the better group of WRs and the better passer that Hurts is now...that's the ideal situation. 

Not really sure we even are disagreeing here. Swift is that Starter level player. First snap…not so important. He needs touches though as the clear playmaker at that position. Backups and complimentary players always serve their purpose. Gainwell has many good traits to contribute. I prefer Scott everywhere but blocking. Wouldn’t argue if anybody favored Gainwell route running and pass catching though.

17 minutes ago, joemas6 said:

The question revolves around....what do you get in return for Cox....and which team do you have to trade him to?

A team we are in competition with makes no sense...  let's say we can get a late 3rd round pick... the Eagles won't do it.

From there .... a later pick makes no sense for the Eagles. 

For a bad team, Cox has no value for one year.

This is why it's difficult to understand what you are thinking....also because you always speak vaguely instead of coming up with a specific scenario. 

Hard to be super specific on something that hasn’t occurred. But just gave you specific ideas on the two most obvious trade targets we all could consider. Right there couple of posts before you just said I’m only vague with no specific scenario. I just did exactly that…just got you. So would appreciate you acknowledging. 
Two specific trade scenarios. Right there.

5 minutes ago, cunninghamtheman said:

Not really sure we even are disagreeing here. Swift is that Starter level player. First snap…not so important. He needs touches though as the clear playmaker at that position. Backups and complimentary players always serve their purpose. Gainwell has many good traits to contribute. I prefer Scott everywhere but blocking. Wouldn’t argue if anybody favored Gainwell route running and pass catching though.

We aren't disagreeing.. just I don't put " starter" label on RBs here.  I knew Gainwell was going to get first series in New England...didn't mean anything. Didn't bother me...seemed to bother you a little?

 

4 minutes ago, cunninghamtheman said:

Hard to be super specific on something that hasn’t occurred. But just gave you specific ideas on the two most obvious trade targets we all could consider. Right there couple of posts before you just said I’m only vague with no specific scenario. I just did exactly that…just got you. So would appreciate you acknowledging. 
Two specific trade scenarios. Right there.

And I asked why those teams wouldn't want picks?   

Btw.... the Eagles are not giving up a 1st and a 2nd for a LB....come in now.   Queen isn't going anywhere.   Stop already with him....and then trying to throw in Cox instead of the picks....lol. 

AZ ....come on now.they want picks. 

I feel like you are just trying to be a smartass with these Cox trades.   

I think you get too caught up on the specifics at some points. Need an open mind. Process all possible trade scenarios that could occur. I’m betting a few players are being shopped we haven’t heard a peep about. Like every year. So with no way of me knowing every secret trade offering league wide….vague concepts are where it’s at. S and LB are priorities. I would like a two headed monster Rb situation if possible. Swift hasn’t shown to be durable also. Tons of factors at play with a potential trade. Cap, money, length of contract, maybe even signing a new contract just to decide it’s worth making the trade. 
 Vague is best right now. Gotta see what the options actually are. But also gotta figure out how much Rosie is willing to invest and put out there in each trade. Much more if extending the player for four more years. Just for a one season rental, what’s the highest investment you’d be willing to throw in for this team? Do you think this team is seriously on the path to a Championship team this season?

The specifics matter. 

26 minutes ago, joemas6 said:

Ok...First.... Queen isn't going anywhere,  Baltimore wants to keep him this year and he wants to play there and be on the open market next year.

2nd....why would AZ do it?  Why wouldn't they prefer more picks?

Think I might know more about that franchise than you, possibly. That franchise would pull a trade like that. Also they traded for Roquan. If they believe Roquan makes most next to him look good then might not be a hard sell. Now the key is they have two young LB looking like they already are in line to take over. Really good trade value for the Ravens. They aren’t signing him long term…but could possibly be selling him at that price…assuming he works out the extension with new team. Highly likely he’s getting paid to trade.

30 minutes ago, joemas6 said:

Ok...First.... Queen isn't going anywhere,  Baltimore wants to keep him this year and he wants to play there and be on the open market next year.

2nd....why would AZ do it?  Why wouldn't they prefer more picks?

Zona could extend Fletch. He is a proven vet that already knows the D under Gannon. Baker might be a real problem for them behind closed doors. Pretty much would think Gannon is building his new D …not with Baker in mind. Develop the longer potential S he has first year lumps? Or just wait a season to start playing them to start developing the new D? Several levels it could make sense. Just a possibility. Obviously I don’t know and am spit balling. Educated guessing I’d call it.

7 minutes ago, joemas6 said:

The specifics matter. 

On the player that fits perfect that we don’t realize is even available yet? Specifics matter…when you get to that point. Having some thoughts brewing about what you potentially can offer and your needs is all the point we are at. 
 Gave you specifics on two known possibilities for trade. You don’t even agree that one is a possible trade. So let’s just be more open minded and more vague to take advantage of the best opportunity. Set limits. Example: are you giving up a first round pick for a one year rental player? Do you even have much of a limit if acquiring  a long term answer so badly needed? Using specifics just for you(but problem is you get stuck on them instead of grasping the actual ideas…like Sanders this offseason) Queen and Baker are so much more likely solving the issues more than a crap shoot draft pick next year. But also…that’s next year. Money is another huge factor. 

13 minutes ago, joemas6 said:

The specifics matter. 

Try not to be so rigid. Offers will come flying towards Rosie. First need a gameplan and parameters. Not interested in just making moves to look like Rosie is doing his job. Let’s face it…he will make at least one move. His ego and team role demand something looks to be getting done. Anybody taking the bet Rosie makes zero trades from now until the deadline? Anybody? Anybody? Bueller?

34 minutes ago, joemas6 said:

So you would trade Cox to KC for a 3rd round pick?

Yes. Good specific. I would. Like I said in the post you response to though looks like Clark is headed there.

But the idea is I want to use picks to get what I want. So Cox traded for a third I’m assuming is part of a larger move I’m working out. A team doesn’t need Cox perhaps rather have the third. Endless possibilities…think you getting the point though here.

23 minutes ago, joemas6 said:

We aren't disagreeing.. just I don't put " starter" label on RBs here.  I knew Gainwell was going to get first series in New England...didn't mean anything. Didn't bother me...seemed to bother you a little?

 

Yes completely bothers me. Like I’ve stated very clearly. Siri has way too much tunnel vision on Gainwell. It’s a problem. Believe it cost us the SB. Every step of his career has shown Siri overconfidence in him. Starting the season as the starter? Just highlighted how blinding the issue actually is. Gainwell isn’t starting level player. Not even very close to Swift level of player. SB I argued I’d have preferred Scott instead. Admit that comparison is much closer and debatable. Swift comparison to Gainwell shouldn’t be any debate. That clear cut. Siri chose Gainwell still. It’s a problem. If Gainwell doesn’t get injured? Swift might just now be getting it through Siri’s head instead of gains injury forcing Siri otherwise.

26 minutes ago, joemas6 said:

And I asked why those teams wouldn't want picks?   

Btw.... the Eagles are not giving up a 1st and a 2nd for a LB....come in now.   Queen isn't going anywhere.   Stop already with him....and then trying to throw in Cox instead of the picks....lol. 

AZ ....come on now.they want picks. 

I believe Ravens very well could trade him. Real strong reasoning to cash in on trading a player that’s leaving anyway. Are you that sure Ravens don’t need Fletch to better contend?

 Zona gets picks also here. Can even trade another player for more picks. Fletch extending under the very freshly familiar seething under Gannon totally makes sense.

 But now see? This is where you get all crazy about specifics. I think more open minded and vague to be ready for the best opportunity. We just don’t know everybody whom is or is t going to be available…at what pricing. You bash thinking more open minded being more vague….but then can’t believe the two very possible trade candidates are possible. Last year I wanted Burns from Panthers. Still a possibility. But you could stomp stating why would the Panthers trade him? So many factors with each individual trade. Burns you gotta back up the truck for. Pretty much creating a disgruntled employee in Reddick signaling he isn’t getting paid like he’s shown to deserve. Plus they gotta want big draft pick compensation for him. But he is a strong proven DE. Not seeing it happen…but always willing to consider any possibilities of adding a top pass rusher such as Burns. Likely too many hoops to jump through.

35 minutes ago, joemas6 said:

I feel like you are just trying to be a smartass with these Cox trades.   

Nope. See him as our top trade candidate. Best value at a position we can absorb the loss at. I don’t just want to trade him for no reason. Selling at a high on a player I view as being at the end of his career. Good business. Exactly when you move such a guy.

37 minutes ago, joemas6 said:

I feel like you are just trying to be a smartass with these Cox trades.   

What aren’t you seeing I’ve been explaining about him? Problem with most people is they only wish to trade their garbage. Give up Street for fourth round pick type crap. Not happening. Not afraid to trade good players to make the team better. I’d probably be willing to trade about any player really. If it gets me the right price and what’s needed.

Let’s say in theory Rosie is super close on making a trade. But he doesn’t quite have the draft ammo to make it work without giving up too much. Needs a fourth and fifth round pick (on top of standing offer)to get the deal done. Then might need to use Cox to get those from elsewhere. Millions of possibilities No Mas. Don’t get stuck so hard on just one guy…like Ceedy Duce. Be ready to adapt and spring on the deal that’s right for us.

You wouldn’t go into the draft with seven picks and only pick out seven players you are choosing ahead of time. Can’t be that rigid. Go with the flow. Don’t force anything.

I look at it something like this: going to consider all options and compare. Queen is the best player at LB. But might find a quality deal on somebodies backup LB that we will start next to Dean. Probably a much more likely scenario than only the best top possible options. Mid level talent.

58 minutes ago, joemas6 said:

We aren't disagreeing.. just I don't put " starter" label on RBs here.  I knew Gainwell was going to get first series in New England...didn't mean anything. Didn't bother me...seemed to bother you a little?

 

Not sure why you refuse to put the normal labels on positions. Last year Sanders started at RB. This year Swift. Seems pretty clearly defined to me. 

1 hour ago, cunninghamtheman said:

Think I might know more about that franchise than you, possibly. That franchise would pull a trade like that. Also they traded for Roquan. If they believe Roquan makes most next to him look good then might not be a hard sell. Now the key is they have two young LB looking like they already are in line to take over. Really good trade value for the Ravens. They aren’t signing him long term…but could possibly be selling him at that price…assuming he works out the extension with new team. Highly likely he’s getting paid to tra

de.

Idk...my family down there and my neighbor from Baltimore who is a die hard....was laughing at the idea of them trading Queen.  Basically saying the same thing.

I think you fantasize about a player and you talk yourself into believing he is available. 

If he doesn't get traded..will you finally let it go?

50 minutes ago, cunninghamtheman said:

Not sure why you refuse to put the normal labels on positions. Last year Sanders started at RB. This year Swift. Seems pretty clearly defined to me. 

Because I don't need labels at RB. It's not 1975.     And because to me...a " starter " would not be taken out on all the key plays like Sanders was. 

The normal label of a starter comes with the idea that when you need your best team out on the field...that guy is in the game...not Sanders. 

1 hour ago, cunninghamtheman said:

I believe Ravens very well could trade him. Real strong reasoning to cash in on trading a player that’s leaving anyway. Are you that sure Ravens don’t need Fletch to better contend?

 Zona gets picks also here. Can even trade another player for more picks. Fletch extending under the very freshly familiar seething under Gannon totally makes sense.

 But now see? This is where you get all crazy about specifics. I think more open minded and vague to be ready for the best opportunity. We just don’t know everybody whom is or is t going to be available…at what pricing. You bash thinking more open minded being more vague….but then can’t believe the two very possible trade candidates are possible. Last year I wanted Burns from Panthers. Still a possibility. But you could stomp stating why would the Panthers trade him? So many factors with each individual trade. Burns you gotta back up the truck for. Pretty much creating a disgruntled employee in Reddick signaling he isn’t getting paid like he’s shown to deserve. Plus they gotta want big draft pick compensation for him. But he is a strong proven DE. Not seeing it happen…but always willing to consider any possibilities of adding a top pass rusher such as Burns. Likely too many hoops to jump through.

I think the Ravens would probably trade a 3rd for Cox.     It's why logically they won't trade away Queen.  They want the best players for THIS YEAR.  

I've been saying this the whole time.