8 minutes ago, GreenbleedinNC said:

No,I said before he has regressed in some areas and it was pretty obvious last night. Indecisive,not taking off,not even doing the famed dink and dunk. Like I said also 26 rushing yards from RB's isn't going to cut it either and I also said if our offense only runs with Goedert in we are in big trouble

I know...  you said it like 50 times that Hurts isn't as good as last year...lol.

2 minutes ago, joemas6 said:

I know...  you said it like 50 times that Hurts isn't as good as last year...lol.

So what do you think? Remember we were waiting for him to make more than 1 read? last year he made progress,now IDK if he sees anyone at all LOL

One thing that pleased me was seeing Smith. He is CLUTCH. Not just his route running ability,he can catch in those tight windows. He is a fine WR2,now we need to find the same clutch in WR3. We have to be able to run our offense without Goedert

Just now, GreenbleedinNC said:

So what do you think? Remember we were waiting for him to make more than 1 read? last year he made progress,now IDK if he sees anyone at all LOL

I'll give you my opinion. 

Early in the year I thought it was a lot of Hurts not seeing open WRs.   Some of his throws weren't great either.

I've come to see that I think he is really accurate on the throws that he can make.  Like a good free throw shooter in basketball.  But there are limitations with his arm strength. 

Seeing the field, I think part of the issue is the route tree.   On the plays where he has 5 minutes to throw the ball, I see a lot of lazy routes...reminds me of when Wentz was in same position.   Except this time we know it's not a talent issue at WR.

When I'm seeing success... it's when Hurts has 2 or 3 options that he takes a quick read and reacts to what the D does.    

I think he is limited in that regard, but that Steichen or whoever ran the offense last year did a masterful job in putting the defense in a " make a quick decision position " and gave Hurts the easy read.  Hurts thrives with that,  keeping the offense on time.

The play last week, fake screen to Julio and Hurts sees everything right in front of him, with an easy read... Hurts excels at that.  Easy read and then just an accurate quick throw.... it's beautiful to see.

When the offense gets off timing...and you see the lazy routes.   It doesn't work.    Let's be honest the TD pass to Zacheaus last week...the defender made a brutal play on the ball.   

That's why my favorite play of Hurts career so far is that dime he dropped to Zach in the Tampa game after waiting and stepping up in the pocket. 

I'd like to see Hurts make throws stepping up in the pocket.  That's a great way to slow down the edge rush and also is an easier throw because you move up closer to the target.  

Yesterday he panicked and tucked the ball and ran too early a couple of times. 

It's not " he has to run the ball" for me...it's the decision of when to run and when to just buy time to throw. 

But the play calling needs to be better too.  I think they need to run it more in certain situations... and I think they need to put in more of those quick reads... really when they run and build the pass plays off of the runs, it's when Hurts is best.  Because he is limited on things he can do off script with his arm.  

  

5 hours ago, Bleedinggreen93 said:

Just a terrible comment because you say this then give him thousands of excuses for why we don’t win…

When you say comments like this you are putting him in Mahomes, Rodger’s, Allen these guys don’t get well the D is bad excuses, or they are playing the #1 ranked D for not being able to score 

Mahomes and Allen D are really good instead. 

5 hours ago, Asg 15 said:

Well didn't that suck.

If anything good came out of this maybe it's the D being completely embarrassed.

Not sure that’s good at all. Could easily see our D being ranked possibly even as low as next to last after this next game. Down to 24th right now. Its not pretty!

6 minutes ago, cunninghamtheman said:

Mahomes and Allen D are really good instead. 

This year lol you act like Mahomes had a top 5 D his entire career or like Rodger’s had it his entire career in GB lol….

That great Chiefs D just let up 27 points against a mediocre GB team as well lol 

3 hours ago, joemas6 said:

For Ham....Dallas and SF never lose....the Eagles can lose to a high school team though. 

That’s more just the opposite with you about us. Just happened last season at the end. You couldn’t fathom us losing practically even once it seemed. Then lost back to back. Not sure why your future scenarios can never consider less desirable outcomes? Things can always go either way. NFL can win or lose any given Sunday. I had enough foresight to envision something very very close to what happened at the end of last season to us. Though you were extremely confident any such scenario was completely impossible. Yet we had to force QB1 out there last week of the season to make sure to avoid total collapse. Things happen.

3 hours ago, joemas6 said:

Just real big on if my WR is 6 yards past the guy covering him...that my QB can make the throw.  

Props to Hurts... he is very accurate on throws he can physically make.   His height limits his vision...and his lack of arm strength limits his ability to make some throws...namely longer ones that are off timing.   His deep ball needs to be thrown early.  Idk why some people can't admit that. 

It's also why when he runs...the defense is right there..they don't fear a long throw.   Absolutely why Zacheous was open last week on that broken play.  

Mahomes and Allen...get huge running lanes because defenses have to fear the longer throw on a broken play. 

As Ham would put it.. let's give QB1 credit because his limited arm actually gives him less space to run or throw.   But it is his issue in the first place as to why that is...nobody else's fault. 

But while he is great at some stuff... there are probably 30 or so starting QBs who hit Quez on that play yesterday.  An NFL QB should be able to throw 60 yards in 2023..with a full wind up.

 

11 minutes ago, cunninghamtheman said:

Mahomes and Allen D are really good instead. 

Further perspective for you KC had the 18th ranked D in 2022 when they won the SB didn’t hear Mahomes getting passes because his D was bad.

KC was giving up 22.2 points a game 

Philly going into SF we were giving up 22.4 as the 20th ranked D 

Wide open…except for the two defenders there

18 minutes ago, cunninghamtheman said:

Not sure that’s good at all. Could easily see our D being ranked possibly even as low as next to last after this next game. Down to 24th right now. Its not pretty!

Do rankings matter?  It's not college.

I do agree Hurts can’t throw the ball as hard and far as the strongest arms in NFL history. Rosie described his arm as a Plus Arm. Accurate . Not an Exceptional Phenomenal Arm. I do also agree he has to get the ball out earlier if throwing deep to a burner WR. To just keep harping on that throw is pure Hurts Hating though. We haven’t had a speedster WR all year basically. Quez first game back…first deep throw to him…and No Mas you’re lighting the torches and gathering pitch forks. Throw could have been a bit longer. But you don’t want to overthrow it. Don’t want to make it some super difficult diving catch. His WR and him shown to fairly consistently know it’s going to be a ball for them to beat the defender catching. WR looking back has that advantage against the defenders with back to the ball. It was clear pass interference against the defender. Should have been called. When you actually think about it? That’s the best play to throw to Quez. Get the PI is better than relying on him actually catching it.

12 minutes ago, cunninghamtheman said:

That’s more just the opposite with you about us. Just happened last season at the end. You couldn’t fathom us losing practically even once it seemed. Then lost back to back. Not sure why your future scenarios can never consider less desirable outcomes? Things can always go either way. NFL can win or lose any given Sunday. I had enough foresight to envision something very very close to what happened at the end of last season to us. Though you were extremely confident any such scenario was completely impossible. Yet we had to force QB1 out there last week of the season to make sure to avoid total collapse. Things happen.

Absolutely can fathom winning or losing.   I like the competition.   You want everything easy....always looking for something to go wrong.   

It's not intelligence when you fear everything.    " hey I don't want to get my hopes up " lol.   

The Eagles are one of the teams that can win a SB this year.    That's a blessing.   What makes it fun is the challenge.   

The most fun game of last year .by far....was the Superbowl. 

1 minute ago, joemas6 said:

Do rankings matter?  It's not college.

That your D is ranked next to last? Yeah…it can be very telling as to why a team struggles to win. Stats aren’t everything. But stats pertaining to giving up points are pretty crucial.

1 minute ago, cunninghamtheman said:

I do agree Hurts can’t throw the ball as hard and far as the strongest arms in NFL history. Rosie described his arm as a Plus Arm. Accurate . Not an Exceptional Phenomenal Arm. I do also agree he has to get the ball out earlier if throwing deep to a burner WR. To just keep harping on that throw is pure Hurts Hating though. We haven’t had a speedster WR all year basically. Quez first game back…first deep throw to him…and No Mas you’re lighting the torches and gathering pitch forks. Throw could have been a bit longer. But you don’t want to overthrow it. Don’t want to make it some super difficult diving catch. His WR and him shown to fairly consistently know it’s going to be a ball for them to beat the defender catching. WR looking back has that advantage against the defenders with back to the ball. It was clear pass interference against the defender. Should have been called. When you actually think about it? That’s the best play to throw to Quez. Get the PI is better than relying on him actually catching it.

Hurts can't throw the ball as far as 90% of today's QBs.   You can't admit that even after seeing it.

It's sad on your part.  

I was at 2 HS games this year...where the QBs threw it 60 yards.  It's not 1970 anymore... the defense covers more ground... so it's definitely a limitation not being able to throw it 55 yards to a WR who beat his man by 6 yards.

1 minute ago, cunninghamtheman said:

That your D is ranked next to last? Yeah…it can be very telling as to why a team struggles to win. Stats aren’t everything. But stats pertaining to giving up points are pretty crucial.

Luke when New England won the SB with the 30th " ranked" D

5 minutes ago, cunninghamtheman said:

I do agree Hurts can’t throw the ball as hard and far as the strongest arms in NFL history. Rosie described his arm as a Plus Arm. Accurate . Not an Exceptional Phenomenal Arm. I do also agree he has to get the ball out earlier if throwing deep to a burner WR. To just keep harping on that throw is pure Hurts Hating though. We haven’t had a speedster WR all year basically. Quez first game back…first deep throw to him…and No Mas you’re lighting the torches and gathering pitch forks. Throw could have been a bit longer. But you don’t want to overthrow it. Don’t want to make it some super difficult diving catch. His WR and him shown to fairly consistently know it’s going to be a ball for them to beat the defender catching. WR looking back has that advantage against the defenders with back to the ball. It was clear pass interference against the defender. Should have been called. When you actually think about it? That’s the best play to throw to Quez. Get the PI is better than relying on him actually catching it.

Ham.. stop please.    Quez was 6 yards past his guy...the ball was severely underthrown.  The deep pass to Smith vs Dallas...that was a little underthrown. 

It's ok if your guy isn't perfect.  You can still put up the poster.

Maybe some day he gets traded to your 49ers...and it would be perfect for you.

1 minute ago, joemas6 said:

Absolutely can fathom winning or losing.   I like the competition.   You want everything easy....always looking for something to go wrong.   

It's not intelligence when you fear everything.    " hey I don't want to get my hopes up " lol.   

The Eagles are one of the teams that can win a SB this year.    That's a blessing.   What makes it fun is the challenge.   

The most fun game of last year .by far....was the Superbowl. 

I’d take an easy SB win for sure. A whole different thing to fear everything or to….look at both sides. You have no problem plotting out the positive path. I actually was just considering a more challenging path. Everything to me isn’t just black or white. It’s both…and then tons of grey areas. I’m hopeful that even if we did finish this season 3-3 we could still win the division. It’s a real scenario that could take place. Obviously would be crushing to fall from first seed to Wild Card team this late in the season. 
  I absolutely do think we have a legitimate shot at winning it all this year. That’s even if we finished the season 3-3. 

9 minutes ago, cunninghamtheman said:

I do agree Hurts can’t throw the ball as hard and far as the strongest arms in NFL history. Rosie described his arm as a Plus Arm. Accurate . Not an Exceptional Phenomenal Arm. I do also agree he has to get the ball out earlier if throwing deep to a burner WR. To just keep harping on that throw is pure Hurts Hating though. We haven’t had a speedster WR all year basically. Quez first game back…first deep throw to him…and No Mas you’re lighting the torches and gathering pitch forks. Throw could have been a bit longer. But you don’t want to overthrow it. Don’t want to make it some super difficult diving catch. His WR and him shown to fairly consistently know it’s going to be a ball for them to beat the defender catching. WR looking back has that advantage against the defenders with back to the ball. It was clear pass interference against the defender. Should have been called. When you actually think about it? That’s the best play to throw to Quez. Get the PI is better than relying on him actually catching it.

That's the other thing.   " keep harping"  when we make 2 posts regarding something negative about Hurts...it's keep harping. 

For 3 years annoying thr crap out of us here with "could have drafted Ziggy Anzah" dude... grow up.  The person that harps the most here...by far is you.

Hurts had an issue on one play...that play was his weak arm...it's absolutely not a plus Arm. 

And yesterday there were bigger issues than just his arm on one play.  My point with that...is the play calling and execution needs to work away from his weak arm and toward his strengths... which is quick read and very very....pay attention to this compliment here... very accurate arm on the short to intermediate throws.

9 minutes ago, joemas6 said:

Luke when New England won the SB with the 30th " ranked" D

Don’t remember that. I remember the Colts D was terrible. Like 23rd. But then their S and Freeney and whole D got super hot for the playoffs and they won it all. Carried Peyton Manning.

2 minutes ago, cunninghamtheman said:

I’d take an easy SB win for sure. A whole different thing to fear everything or to….look at both sides. You have no problem plotting out the positive path. I actually was just considering a more challenging path. Everything to me isn’t just black or white. It’s both…and then tons of grey areas. I’m hopeful that even if we did finish this season 3-3 we could still win the division. It’s a real scenario that could take place. Obviously would be crushing to fall from first seed to Wild Card team this late in the season. 
  I absolutely do think we have a legitimate shot at winning it all this year. That’s even if we finished the season 3-3. 

I don't want anything easy.  The hard is what makes it great!

Beating Dallas in 1980 was great...because of who Dallas was.   

A loser mentality is wanting everything easy.  The challenge is why we watch sports.  These guys can do things and compete on a level 99% of the world can't.  That's why it's great.

1 minute ago, cunninghamtheman said:

Don’t remember that. I remember the Colts D was terrible. Like 23rd. But then their S and Freeney and whole D got super hot for the playoffs and they won it all. Carried Peyton Manning.

My issue with our D is one thing.  3rd down.   That is the thing that I think will impact the most from that side of the ball.

2 hours ago, joemas6 said:

Absolutely....the extra rest comes into play as the game wears on. It's why we needed to get the TDs early and couldn't give that first breath to the SF offense on that easy 10 yard gain on 2nd and 16.

You need to start fast if you are the banged up team.  Score TDs.   

Good time for the 3rd RB to make an appearance too.

Think I noticed you mention this play more than just on this comment. But it was a very crucial break through for them. We dominated the first quarter. Slay giving up that completion hurt. Setting up the manageable third down for them to convert. Had them backed all the way up too. Can’t hold such a potent O back forever. But they went on holding on to the ball the whole second quarter after that. That one stop on second and long would have kept all momentum on our side of dominating things.

25 minutes ago, joemas6 said:

That's the other thing.   " keep harping"  when we make 2 posts regarding something negative about Hurts...it's keep harping. 

For 3 years annoying thr crap out of us here with "could have drafted Ziggy Anzah" dude... grow up.  The person that harps the most here...by far is you.

Hurts had an issue on one play...that play was his weak arm...it's absolutely not a plus Arm. 

And yesterday there were bigger issues than just his arm on one play.  My point with that...is the play calling and execution needs to work away from his weak arm and toward his strengths... which is quick read and very very....pay attention to this compliment here... very accurate arm on the short to intermediate throws.

You’ve brought up the fact I liked Ziggy that draft….more than I ever have. Who’s the one harping?