https://www.sbnation.com/platform/amp/nfl/2023/12/19/23998667/nfl-motion-offense-trends-49ers-dolphins-rams-tyreek-hill

How much more difficult does this make the job for the D? Got a WR running before the snap even. Or moving to get that angle. Just reading this article is better than me trying to shortcut what it says.

Now gotta factor in personnel. The amount we use 12 personnel is a factor. Stoll being not far from de facto Oline.

54 minutes ago, cunninghamtheman said:

I played QB at the very young levels. Moved to the other side of the ball to play Monster Back,we called it, through varsity. S/LB hybrid position. Curious how that factors into your statement. But really just enjoyed this post and going to let it sync in. I do have some opinions here.  Obviously I’ve been posting right now about how this team is last in utilizing motion. I see this as a near cheat code on reading a D. How the D responds to that motion. Or the angles that motion creates. 
 

How did things go in your Spartan mad man race?

I finished 29th overall of 5,564 and 5th in my age group out of 71. I had a good race given my lack of preparation due to the hairlne fracture in my heel. I did not appreciate nor enjoy the swamps….like about 2.5 miles out of 13.6 wading through a Freaking swamp…from knee high to chest high 50 to 200 yards at a time throughout the course. Crazy! No swamps in Idaho. Haha.

30 minutes ago, cunninghamtheman said:

How often do you use motion Cook? Not critiquing your coaching in anyway. Just curious about it at your level. Seems like something we didn’t see nearly as much way back when I played. A massive tool in the NFL now.

A TON! That’s how I, as a coach, help my QB get his best reads. It’s so basic it pains me why the Eagles don’t do it on every play.

And the reason I am a huge fan of McVay. I love his propensity to run the ball and stick with it when it is working.

Anything nastier than a swamp?

34 minutes ago, cunninghamtheman said:

 

McVay! I posted my prior post before I saw this. 

4 minutes ago, Senhorcook said:

I finished 29th overall of 5,564 and 5th in my age group out of 71. I had a good race given my lack of preparation due to the hairlne fracture in my heel. I did not appreciate nor enjoy the swamps….like about 2.5 miles out of 13.6 wading through a Freaking swamp…from knee high to chest high 50 to 200 yards at a time throughout the course. Crazy! No swamps in Idaho. Haha.

Well done. I’m honestly impressed. Want nothing to do with it myself however…hahaha.

3 minutes ago, cunninghamtheman said:

Anything nastier than a swamp?

No! Disgusting. Who knows what died in those things. 

3 minutes ago, cunninghamtheman said:

Anything nastier than a swamp?

Have been around some swamp. In the summer those bugs are so large they’ll carry you away.

20 minutes ago, cunninghamtheman said:

How much more difficult does this make the job for the D? Got a WR running before the snap even. Or moving to get that angle. Just reading this article is better than me trying to shortcut what it says.

It’s a way to get your best athletes open quickly; thats for dang sure. Cant get hands on the guy moving at the snap.

5 minutes ago, Senhorcook said:

A TON! That’s how I, as a coach, help my QB get his best reads. It’s so basic it pains me why the Eagles don’t do it on every play.

And the reason I am a huge fan of McVay. I love his propensity to run the ball and stick with it when it is working.

You know I’m a huge Hurts fan. I don’t want to scapegoat for him. Not going to argue reading D he’s the mastermind near Peyton Manning. So he’s far from perfect on this. Notice it more against the top D minds. Like Bowles…or Saleh. Jets game he injured his knee. So that became a factor. But they were giving him problems.

4 minutes ago, cunninghamtheman said:

Well done. I’m honestly impressed. Want nothing to do with it myself however…hahaha.

I wanted to finish close to 2 hours, but those swamps even pushed the overall winner into the 2 hours plus time. I finished in 2:43:37. Overall Winner was half my age and finished in 2:28:01. Winner of my age group finished 3 minutes ahead of me…50-54. Old guys are studs!….said a bunch of 20 year olds that we passed that started 15 minutes before us. Haha.

But after faulting Hurts some. Hard to know how much though. Because I do feel like he’s playing with one hand behind his back reading the D without motion. 

1 minute ago, Senhorcook said:

I wanted to finish close to 2 hours, but those swamps even pushed the overall winner into the 2 hours plus time. I finished in 2:43:37. Overall Winner was half my age and finished in 2:28:01. Winner of my age group finished 3 minutes ahead of me…50-54. Old guys are studs!….said a bunch of 20 year olds that we passed that started 15 minutes before us. Haha.

Hope you’re up to date on your shots. I was going to put in a LOL…but seriously.

3 minutes ago, cunninghamtheman said:

You know I’m a huge Hurts fan. I don’t want to scapegoat for him. Not going to argue reading D he’s the mastermind near Peyton Manning. So he’s far from perfect on this. Notice it more against the top D minds. Like Bowles…or Saleh. Jets game he injured his knee. So that became a factor. But they were giving him problems.

I don’t know who to "blame” as I’m not in those meetings. It just doesn’t make sense to me. The lack of motion really helps my young QBs. I wouldn’t think a pro would need it as much, but the pro defenses are much more sophisticated….disguise much better. So I like the coaches that use it more. Thats just my preference though. Doesn’t mean I am right.

2 minutes ago, Senhorcook said:

I wanted to finish close to 2 hours, but those swamps even pushed the overall winner into the 2 hours plus time. I finished in 2:43:37. Overall Winner was half my age and finished in 2:28:01. Winner of my age group finished 3 minutes ahead of me…50-54. Old guys are studs!….said a bunch of 20 year olds that we passed that started 15 minutes before us. Haha.

Old guys still doing..that is. I didn’t ever run that kind of race for sure. But done so many different sports and athletics…I would hit my second wind …then my third wind I kind of got numb to it. Basketball, surfing, biking, tennis and running…football also….but football wasn’t a constant run. Where as surfing? You could be dog tired…but you see a huge set coming in going to catch you before you make the paddle out? You paddle for your freaking life. I don’t care how tired you are. Those incoming monsters motivate you. They catch you before you can duck dive them and you’re  toast.

8 minutes ago, cunninghamtheman said:

You know I’m a huge Hurts fan. I don’t want to scapegoat for him. Not going to argue reading D he’s the mastermind near Peyton Manning. So he’s far from perfect on this. Notice it more against the top D minds. Like Bowles…or Saleh. Jets game he injured his knee. So that became a factor. But they were giving him problems.

I do think he lacks this ability to some degree….or he insists on forcing some throws he shouldn’t IF he is reading them correctly. Read the defense pre-snap. Option 1 may NOW be option 3 when you read it. Snap the ball and if you didnt read a blitz that now comes, you should know that option 4 is now option 1 and so on. It doesn’t "feel” like he processes it that way.  But then I say to myself, he cant possibly be at THIS level and not know this basic process. Just not possible.

When I say monster wave I’m not even thinking of those waves in Hawaii and such. You get caught inside when three straight 6 foot waves catch you? It’s going to drag you and roll you back. Your reward for going through punishment of getting caught by any decent sized wave is forced drug backwards and maybe rolled finally coming up to suck in white water to challenge your paddle speed. Just to meet the next one. Going backwards on your paddle more than forwards. That’s not to mention dealing with paddling and fighting currents. Try to paddle against a rip tide…you aren’t beating Mother Nature. Show you just how small a thing in this planet you really are.

7 minutes ago, Senhorcook said:

I do think he lacks this ability to some degree….or he insists on forcing some throws he shouldn’t IF he is reading them correctly. Read the defense pre-snap. Option 1 may NOW be option 3 when you read it. Snap the ball and if you didnt read a blitz that now comes, you should know that option 4 is now option 1 and so on. It doesn’t "feel” like he processes it that way.  But then I say to myself, he cant possibly be at THIS level and not know this basic process. Just not possible.

But he’s not getting help reading with seeing D reaction to the motion. Also not getting much of the quick passing game plays. Should be more timing passes. Too much avoid the rush and make the big play. Hurts is outstanding at doing this though. He was the best at big plays in the league last season. Hurts strength isn’t reading. RPOs cut things down to a one read situation. Think that’s where you start tying in issues here. He hasn’t been taking off as much. He’s good at reading where he can find a good rushing lane to take advantage of. Was very clear this offseason he was being taught to massively cut down on his risk to his body. I agree with thinking very much about protecting his body for the long haul. Run game is the QBs best friend. Get playaction going can also make things so much easier. How much have we seen of playaction passes? 

But then you see Hurts is crushing it on third downs. Redzone passing also. Most important areas to thrive.

26 minutes ago, Senhorcook said:

I don’t know who to "blame” as I’m not in those meetings. It just doesn’t make sense to me. The lack of motion really helps my young QBs. I wouldn’t think a pro would need it as much, but the pro defenses are much more sophisticated….disguise much better. So I like the coaches that use it more. Thats just my preference though. Doesn’t mean I am right.

I don’t see how a pro would need it any less. Look at the top O minds in the NFL on that motion percentage list. McVay, Shannahan and McDaniels motion constantly. Think that does mean you’re right.

22 minutes ago, Senhorcook said:

I do think he lacks this ability to some degree….or he insists on forcing some throws he shouldn’t IF he is reading them correctly. Read the defense pre-snap. Option 1 may NOW be option 3 when you read it. Snap the ball and if you didnt read a blitz that now comes, you should know that option 4 is now option 1 and so on. It doesn’t "feel” like he processes it that way.  But then I say to myself, he cant possibly be at THIS level and not know this basic process. Just not possible.

  Of course he’s reading the D to change target prioritization. That is ….just very basic. But you gotta have the option available. Had too many games where our guys are predictably covered. Quote from the locker room telling you how route development too long. This isn’t me saying it…reported our own guys saying it. Long developing routes and predictable…are the two quotes. That’s on the coaches not Hurts.

Now we are ranked 7th last I looked. Hurts is scoring more this season than anybody ever has in our uniform. Most TDs in franchise history Hurts has done this season. 

3 hours ago, Senhorcook said:

Will the Eagles beat the Cardinals? I am frustrated with the Eagles right now.

Have any of you played QB at least at a Varsity High School level? I have not…way too small. I have coached the offense up to a high school level…not head coach.

My MANY meetings with the QB were schooling him on what his reads are in EVERY scenario for EVERY play vs EVERY type of defense. I wanted my QB to know it so well that he DOESNT even have to think hard about it.

SOOOOOO, as I watch the Eagles’ offense, I OFTEN see poor reads, poor play calls, and other errors. Let me explain my poor play call reasoning. I send a TE or WR in each play to deliver the play I want the QB to call and run. (High school has no technology in a helmet). My QB knows (sure as hell better know) where the safeties are as he gets to the line of scrimmage. Safety is his responsibility! He has authority to change or adjust the play depending on what he sees from the defense….is it cover 2, cover 4, one safety high, man coverage, etc. We also dissect the opponents’ tendencies on downs and situations. If we play a heavy blitzing defense, our routes are shorter and more pick plays.
The Eagles either call plays that have no chance to develop or Hurts has no authority to change the play or Hurts is changing into the WRONG play or Hurts is not making good reads of the defense. Which is it? Someone please help me understand or tell me I am clueless. I can take it. I definitely should NOT be better than any professional coach.
 

The Eagles KNOW the Giants blitz heavy and in what situations. Yet they looked completely unprepared for it last week. I was appalled. I am a banker by trade. My coaching is volunteer coaching from my SPARE time. These coaches get paid MILLIONS of dollars and supposedly work 16 hour days ONLY ON COACHING.  Yet they weren’t prepared for blitzing from Wink Martindale’s Giants’ defense? Un-freaking believable!

Joe, I think you played high school football. Others? I don’t know who is at fault, but something is definitely wrong on offense. Or am I just wrong on what I am seeing?

Excellent post. I see weird things going on also. I played TE in HS,started out at RB,but I didn't; weigh enough to do much damage. That was back in old school football days before there were scat backs. I was 5.11 /170. I was on the track team as a sprinter. SO I was quick but not bulky enough for RB. I learned alot at the position,but I was not cut out for that.They moved me to slot WR because I was quick(fast too but I would run out of gas on deep plays and be overthrown) so I tried slot and did pretty well there,but once again due to small lung capacity I would gas out late in the game when they needed me most. SO I said you know Im squick/fast not real bulky,I could chip block and run TE routes. I ran a few and they were sold,so thats where I played. Some TD's,but back then TE wasn't really a weapon on offense,just the got o guy when the QB hit panic mode. I had great hands, I could take rockets. I could get YAC if I had space to work with. So I worked out well there. I was "OK" but ot the talent needed to get a college scholarship,but I enyoed ,earning the positions I played. We are all on here trying to sift through these things. I see Hurts indecision alot more than last year. I'm see loser flare passes to the sideline for 2 yard, Those are stupid and should stop per my other post, We rely on a dominating pass rush. We are adequate but nothing special and that causes the secondary all kids of grief. Play calls are mickey mouse 8-10 plays is all we know. Simple stuff and being predictable really kills us off. IDK Hurts is not the same QB he was last year now thet he got the big payday