24 minutes ago, GreenbleedinNC said:

Contenders to pretenders

LOL just how I feel until they show me different on MNF. I want Kelly Green!

FLY EAGLES FLY! 

Always look forward to the eagles playing......but this year, I have a pit in my stomach knowing how they finished and the lack of progress on how to get things fixed.

Lurie doesn't like getting embarrassed......but I think it may take a real nationally televised playoff beating to get some changes made.

2 hours ago, birdman#12 said:

Always look forward to the eagles playing......but this year, I have a pit in my stomach knowing how they finished and the lack of progress on how to get things fixed.

Lurie doesn't like getting embarrassed......but I think it may take a real nationally televised playoff beating to get some changes made.

I’m not so sure Lurie didn’t have a similar point of view than myself about the year’s squad. We accomplished 11 wins and the fifth seed. Exactly what I thought if this team before week one. You can’t subtract so many talented players while grooming two unproven coordinators and have reasonably expected to make a Championship run. Unrealistic expectations maybe some had on the level of this years team. This overhype was fed by squeezing out wins so much to get to 10-1. Had fans start getting delusional thinking we were the top team. Looking at those dumb week to week Power Rankings. Had us number one for a couple weeks. We weren’t ever that team this year. 10-1….but overachieved pulling out some last drive victories versus decent teams. Should have been good enough to beat the Giants final game. But that game is exact example highlighting just how narrow the lines and differences are to achieve victory. Our team had enough talent if we started half the backups instead. Got blown out by a bad team…because the focus wasn’t there. Think that’s what we’ve been seeing since that KC SB rematch victory. Peaked there like it actually meant so much to redeem ourselves. But nothing redeems losing that SB. Chiefs aren’t a SB favorite team this year either. So wasn’t nearly the quality important win everybody believing the hype was considering. Players I include…maybe even the most. This year’s squad had to outscrap and out hustle teams to win. Without that desperation and hunger….well we saw what happened. Faced Bills with that hunger…they about got us back then. Everybody actually did get us after that though. 

Anybody thinking turning over the second level of the D to Dean who couldn’t even get on the field his rookie season…with nobody else in that position group to pair with the inexperienced unproven injury prone player….was even workable in anyway…wasn’t realistic. Believing the team could get by just with a second year undrafted player at S…with nothing much else to pair with him either …when you play two or three S always in any actual PRO D….was kidding themselves. Desai we waited on to be the last coaching hire in the league. Because he wasn’t in jeopardy of getting another job to be lost out on attaining. Believing he was ready to control a top D is near laughable. That he could cover up for such glaring personnel shortcomings to do it? No idea how anybody came to a conclusion that we were honestly better than 5th seed quality team. Think we all had higher hopes on the OC. But still pretty huge stretch to believe first time OC playcaller was ready to win the SB. Heck hasn’t looked like Siri is ready to win a SB. Offensive shortcomings consistently have come from Siri. Failed miserably his first 6 or 7 games. It was bad. No way he remains coach after that first season if Steichen didn’t save him. Now so many of the issues this year…showing mostly about Siri. His O isn’t very good. Watching how Ds played us….showed as being predictable. Which is the worst. Don’t need a super complicated O. But can’t have opponents expect and be prepared at such a high rate for the play calls. Talented O. Overcame much of that by making plays in crucial spots. Third downs and redzone. Haven’t looked at final regular season scoring rankings. But stats probably point to us being top ten scoring O. So you’d think no reason to complain. But felt like the O was never in sync as a whole. Really just dumb playcalls too. I can get over a D just snuffing out your play sometimes. But too many times had long developing plays when heavy blitz was expected. Third and short with the game on the line…going deep…instead of just moving the chains to keep the team with a chance to win. Jets Salah outcoached us badly. Suffocated everything we tried to do. Laid some heavy blueprint work for everybody to see on how to get to us. Goedert, AJ and Smitty just shouldn’t have so many plays they aren’t getting open. Nobody is that good in coverage. Just poor offensive coaching.  O needed that second strong RB…take pressure off and control the ball. Teams played us by dropping back in coverage. Should have been an unthinkable approach with this Oline and QB. Last couple years rushed all over everybody …against them stacking the box. This year…if the rushing failed we got beat. Our gameplan to counter the heavy coverage D utilized was to: try and go with longer developing routes to go over the heavy deep coverage. Pretty dumb. But AJ and Smitty made some plays even still. But just no excuse why everybody is showing the style of playing us is to drop back deep with numbers in coverage and you don’t call some quick hitting crossers, slants and outs. We all know this…watched all season how we always dropped deep and they did it to us. How do you watch our D play like that….opponents expose that D playcall with quick throws…..then not hardly ever realize to actually just do it yourself. Lesson was being taught to us every week. Yet we couldn’t think of it ourselves. That’s not just bad….thats unfixable. You gotta fire those people and move forward. Can’t win the big games with anybody doing that. Can’t see versions where somebody can watch the answers every game happening to us…yet still can’t figure out to do the same. 

Anyway…the personnel of players I judged as fifth seed caliber. Coaching was bad and kept them from overachieving. Even the wins had plenty complaining. Never looked good. Ugly scrappy wins against teams that it shouldn’t have needed to be like that. Did we play one full great game all season. Even the lowest teams have a great game somewhere. We fought to overcome bs that shouldn’t have been in the way for every win. Coaches didn’t have either side of the ball ready or organized to start the season. Was willing to let that slide….especially while pulling out wins. But only if it was on the way improving and getting things together. Boy did they never improve and get better. Two inexperienced Coordinators I can accept early lumps. But dealing with that….and not improving …but regressing? What can you do with that? Who believes in Desai or Patricia on this team? No faith or belief in this locker room. The O players have been leaking complaints for most of the season. Can’t even imagine Hurts having known Johnson all his life  can even believe in going forward like this. 

O had enough talent to overcome poor coaching to put up some respectable points this season. A great coach would have them in unison and ready to start the season not looking anywhere near as unprepared as we did this year. Certainly could have adjusted to the DCs doing a simple adjustment to limit our O. They didn’t have to fear the rush. So they just played looking for screens or long passes. No playaction working. How can you have such quality receivers(including Goedert and Swift) and be so limited in route combinations? Didn’t see stud lockdown corners just being stellar in coverage on great reacting options. Saw mediocre coverage guys knowing the expected route from certain tendencies and formations. 

D side didn’t have overwhelming talent. Coaching was great in sending half of Miami and KC games. But would have DC of the year to hit this D unit to perform at top ten levels. Being last or next to last in categories is just never acceptable. Even if the talent is lacking some…can’t be the worst. Can’t field an end of the line pass D and keep any team believing in you. Can’t take over a record setting Dline pass rush and them dropoff half of the production. 11 guys that are just NFL worthy level players would have performed much better than our D did this season….if they just work together as one. We never had that all season. We had each player working on his own. No cohesion anywhere on D. Can’t do anything but fire and move past our GM terrible decision. Team lost faith in coaching. How could they not? We have a strong locker room…yet still heard the rumors of the complaints. Tells me in reality it’s way worse. Nobody on our team thinks these coaches are taking us anywhere. For good reason. To lose such a strong character team was very hard to achieve. Coaches had to really screw things up so massively to get there. There were big issues going on while going 10-1. Players recognized it way before we understood. 

Great lesson for anybody that thinks everything is great and no complaints should be reasonable by winning and getting to 10-1. Just had a season’s worth of that lesson. Team needed to improve and fix plenty…at 10-1. Record doesn’t tell the whole story. The season continues on after those 11 games and showed exactly how undone are and great we really were. Undefeated doesn’t mean everything is perfect and nothing can improve. Heck starting out the opposite at 1-4 doesn’t mean you stink either. There is having your stuff together and being great. There is also knowing how to win at the end. You can’t win any more games than we did without both. 11 win team is who we are. Shouldn’t really be shock or massive disappointment about this fact. Never heard the story about a team winning more than 11 and throwing a Championship parade with any of the terrible story lines this team dealt with. Who wins the SB when the team doesn’t improve from the season before? Not only did we not improve…we clearly were weakened. Players and coaches. Complaints all season about how bad we looked even after wins. Fired the DC. Which historical SB winning team dealt with first time OC struggling and needed to fire their DC midseason? I can’t even think of a WINNING team that overcame these things all together. Can’t lose so much talent and experience….and actually expect weak inexperienced coaches to overachieve like that. 

Did you guys think we didn’t become weaker than last year? Coaching or players? Just curious about where the anger and disappointment is coming from. Blowing the last two games I can understand the frustration. But never saw how expectations could have reacted believing we were the best or top team to win it all. Fifth seed and being a very dangerous team in the postseason. That was this season’s ceiling. Opportunity at the end was present to overachieve the top seed. But to believe this team was actually the top team was more than optimistic. Just pointing out all these obvious facts so maybe one or two of you can read it to think on why you believed any more was true. 13 win team with a DC that nobody hired. OC never done the job. All our playcalling was coming from no experience. I hoped for them to improve with gaining experience. But that’s just being optimistic. Bad offseason. Ignored and left glaring obvious personnel holes. But to have anywhere near as talented a team as this was and to only hire these two coordinators was criminal. Fire the coordinators obviously. But the two guys Siri and Rosie are really the ones responsible. Their call. Turned out terrible. Actually got worse each week.  

Just address LB with pretty much anything even reasonable to work. Don’t miss out on every single DC available. Dean and ? As the LB plan and hiring Desai….are fireable offenses in my mind. Glaring obvious screwups. Mess ups and mistakes can happen. But to have not seen how bad these two areas were….its really really bad. Can’t expect everything perfect…..but these were so obviously season killing decisions. Even 8-9 teams fill out their whole teams better than this. Might not have the stars and playmakers in numbers like we do. But they have a few LBs and S to reasonably expect to be capable at least. Nobody else hired Desai. He’s not the worst coach. Just not ready inexperienced at the least. Coming into a SB team the season before. Inexperienced DC was a bold call in any direction. But had Dennard in house. If you went inexperienced…at least do it with the guy already familiar with your team. Lose him to Ravens. Their D and pass D was sick. More understanding if we hired a big name experienced DC instead. But Desai over Dennard? Just that one choice even aged very poorly. 

20 hours ago, joemas6 said:

Ok.. 8 page post....nothing about Tampa playoff game coming up!   The regular season is done.   At what point do the adults come out to talk about the playoff game or do we need to continue the negative stereotype that everyone has about our fanbase how we whine and complain about the past.    Zero zero right now.   All that matters is what's next.   Not what happened. 

What are your thoughts about how to beat this particular Tampa team that has been playing decent lately. 

8 page post. Haha. How big are your fish you catch, Joe?
 

ok. Game vs Tampa:

RUN THE DAMN BALL on offense. RBs combined need 40 carries on Monday night!

Defense - BLITZ….a LOT! Clearly this team can’t cover, so blitz! They won’t because they LOVE getting destroyed on every play.

SP - Need to make some plays.

How does that sound?

2 hours ago, Senhorcook said:

8 page post. Haha. How big are your fish you catch, Joe?
 

ok. Game vs Tampa:

RUN THE DAMN BALL on offense. RBs combined need 40 carries on Monday night!

Defense - BLITZ….a LOT! Clearly this team can’t cover, so blitz! They won’t because they LOVE getting destroyed on every play.

SP - Need to make some plays.

How does that sound?

I'll take it. 40 carries and some blitzing would be nice. Like I said earlier, if Baker isn't under pressure, IF the WR's aren't jammed at the line then Evans and Godwin will feast. Not a hard concept. 

4 hours ago, cunninghamtheman said:

Did you guys think we didn’t become weaker than last year? Coaching or players? Just curious about where the anger and disappointment is coming from. Blowing the last two games I can understand the frustration. But never saw how expectations could have reacted believing we were the best or top team to win it all. Fifth seed and being a very dangerous team in the postseason. That was this season’s ceiling. Opportunity at the end was present to overachieve the top seed. But to believe this team was actually the top team was more than optimistic. Just pointing out all these obvious facts so maybe one or two of you can read it to think on why you believed any more was true. 13 win team with a DC that nobody hired. OC never done the job. All our playcalling was coming from no experience. I hoped for them to improve with gaining experience. But that’s just being optimistic. Bad offseason. Ignored and left glaring obvious personnel holes. But to have anywhere near as talented a team as this was and to only hire these two coordinators was criminal. Fire the coordinators obviously. But the two guys Siri and Rosie are really the ones responsible. Their call. Turned out terrible. Actually got worse each week.  

You learn a LOT more about a coach and coaches when things are going array. The 6 game slide told me a LOT about Sirianni.

I personally didn’t think there was as much of a loss of talent as you did. Jordan Davis has been a disappointment…flashes in a game or two for a play or two, but he is NOT a dominating DT. The two CBs stayed. TJ Edwards was good but not a pro bowler. They picked up Bynard mid season that should have replaced CJG. The D line has underperformed, but I am not sure why exactly. It "appears” to me the NFL allowed a lot more offensive holding this season, thereby possibly limiting this particular Dline.

Offense remained completely in tact minus Miles Sanders. I wasn’t a huge fan of his, but maybe, just maybe, his ability to carry out the RPO with Hurts vs the current RBs…maybe that is a bigger deal than we know.

Cunningham, I know that you dont like Gainwell. He is actually my favorite RB on this team as he can do all aspects of the job. He runs downhill. He PROTECTS his QB. He can catch. Swift does all but block well. I like Swift. Just like Gainwell a bit more.

Does this team BELIEVE they can beat Tampa with the plan placed in front of them? THAT may determine the outcome more than anything.

1 hour ago, EaglesTD123 said:

I'll take it. 40 carries and some blitzing would be nice. Like I said earlier, if Baker isn't under pressure, IF the WR's aren't jammed at the line then Evans and Godwin will feast. Not a hard concept. 

I think the weather prevents the pass game from either team to be any huge factor. 

The run game from either team is going to be the key.  Doesn't matter 40 times or how bad the coverage has been the previous weeks.    The run D can't be like it was vs Arizona. 

Everyone on here wo4rrying about the Giants loss...which was irrelevant.  The Arizona game and the way they lost that game is my concern going into the Tampa matchup.

9 minutes ago, joemas6 said:

I think the weather prevents the pass game from either team to be any huge factor. 

The run game from either team is going to be the key.  Doesn't matter 40 times or how bad the coverage has been the previous weeks.    The run D can't be like it was vs Arizona. 

Everyone on here wo4rrying about the Giants loss...which was irrelevant.  The Arizona game and the way they lost that game is my concern going into the Tampa matchup.

The run D will have to dominate no doubt. But be careful what you hope for. Passing game can still be a nice contributor even in rain. Run D and pressure on Baker.

19 minutes ago, Senhorcook said:

 

Does this team BELIEVE they can beat Tampa with the plan placed in front of them? THAT may determine the outcome more than anything.

I think the weather is a factor here.  This was my point about all the posts this week. Nobody talking about this game that is going to happen on this Monday night...in the current situation. 

None of the other crap matters.  The least of all was an irrelevant Giants game.  Believe in this or that isn't going to matter.  

This weekend mother nature will play a factor in multiple matchups.  Cover 3, " I called it with the record ,  or anything you " feel" about the coaches because the 7 tear old fanboy inside is butt hurt about anything in the regular season.....all cab easily be irrelevant 

This could easily come down to just both teams running the football. 

And if the weather is good enough not to be a factor and force it into an old fashioned running game.   Then the fact AJ didn't practice yet and Hurts couldn't throw a ball until today might be a bigger factor than any nonsense being spewed about anything else.

 

 

Just now, EaglesTD123 said:

The run D will have to dominate no doubt. But be careful what you hope for. Passing game can still be a nice contributor even in rain. Run D and pressure on Baker.

Rain will prevent any huge cushion.  They will need to be up there to stop the run.   Rain can absolutely stop a passing game...so can the winds.   

And the rain can absolutely slow down a pass rush.  

Idk... maybe you all are thinking a little drizzle.  I'm talking about the projected major storm. 

11 hours ago, Senhorcook said:

You learn a LOT more about a coach and coaches when things are going array. The 6 game slide told me a LOT about Sirianni.

I personally didn’t think there was as much of a loss of talent as you did. Jordan Davis has been a disappointment…flashes in a game or two for a play or two, but he is NOT a dominating DT. The two CBs stayed. TJ Edwards was good but not a pro bowler. They picked up Bynard mid season that should have replaced CJG. The D line has underperformed, but I am not sure why exactly. It "appears” to me the NFL allowed a lot more offensive holding this season, thereby possibly limiting this particular Dline.

Offense remained completely in tact minus Miles Sanders. I wasn’t a huge fan of his, but maybe, just maybe, his ability to carry out the RPO with Hurts vs the current RBs…maybe that is a bigger deal than we know.

Cunningham, I know that you dont like Gainwell. He is actually my favorite RB on this team as he can do all aspects of the job. He runs downhill. He PROTECTS his QB. He can catch. Swift does all but block well. I like Swift. Just like Gainwell a bit more.

Does this team BELIEVE they can beat Tampa with the plan placed in front of them? THAT may determine the outcome more than anything.

Think Davis just can’t be productive on the amount of snaps he played. Two corners they brought back …looking over the hill this season. So same names…but not same results. My take on Gainwell is I do like him…as the third string RB.

We’ve played a few rain games this season. Should be prepared for some rain. Might even be considered advantageous.

Our killer pass D should rule the day. They will shut down any target …as long as it’s not a WR. ……or TE or RB. Any others will be shutdown.

AJ out. Do I need to go on any long rant about how much this pisses? Let’s just assume I did here. You all already know what I’ll be saying.

23 minutes ago, cunninghamtheman said:

AJ out. Do I need to go on any long rant about how much this pisses? Let’s just assume I did here. You all already know what I’ll be saying.

The turf in NJ.  And absolutely the rain helps us if it limits the pass game.   Really our best defense is the weather. 

17 hours ago, Senhorcook said:

8 page post. Haha. How big are your fish you catch, Joe?
 

ok. Game vs Tampa:

RUN THE DAMN BALL on offense. RBs combined need 40 carries on Monday night!

Defense - BLITZ….a LOT! Clearly this team can’t cover, so blitz! They won’t because they LOVE getting destroyed on every play.

SP - Need to make some plays.

How does that sound?

Be careful what you wish for. Unless we wake up we're not covering their WR's. They also have plenty good TE's. I know TB well. Unless we tighten up this defense nothing else will matter. Mayfield will gladly take the cushions we give him. They are fine running for 3 yards(something we should try LOL) for 2 downs and giving Mayfield 3rd and shorts and make no mistake Mayfield can run just fine. I don't believe we have the coverages to cover their 2 TE sets. We best have that figured out before we board the plane. On the O side I would like to see Julio in the slot,since we really don't have TE2,especially in the RZ. The Oline MUST give gaps to Swift and Gains(we say this every week but it's a fact) Hurts better not pull that fall down like a girl crap either. We paid him and he needs to run more that the tush push and for god sake DON'T call planned QB runs. Just DON'T. Hurts is best when he takes off as a "surprise" runner and his acting is awful so he can't sell a fake to save his hiney lol

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