Personally I believe Sc hwartz lacks the ability to adapt his plan to a players' strengths. I like Schwartz, but the inability to adapt a plan to me is a big weakness, in life and business. A plan that doesn't allow for change is a poor plan - business 101

1 hour ago, GreenbleedinNC said:

IDK isn't your first draft pick a guy that should help you NOW? (and later?) I would never EVER assume a kid out of college has "peaked" in the NFL sense. If you want WIP's avoid round 1 altogether. My round 1,2 guys need to help my team in their first year (maybe not the first game though)

You can see it in ton of guys it’s not that hard that part of the job of scouts finding guys that are ready to help now and have ton of room to grow high ceiling especially in round 1.... 

 

Barnett was limited thought that drafting him sure he had an impact year one but what is he now an avg. starter.... Jmatt had an impact early on where is he now???? I’m tired of drafting those kind of guys 

BG - respect you muchly really like how how you think, but giving Howie props for 3 top 12 picks? The meat of the draft is, and always has been, the mid and later rounds. Howie, for all his seemingly great roster moves, has been basically putting everything on a credit card - and the bill's come due.  I don't think NFL contract negotiations are all that difficult if players are treated right, and I don't believe Howie is a good talent evaluator. Match that with his history, it's about time Lurie grew some  and went in a different direction.

Mike Holmgren's 73 yrs old, than again I'm an old timer.. Wish we'd went for him yrs ago - football genius.

 

23 minutes ago, mjkline1958 said:

BG - respect you muchly really like how how you think, but giving Howie props for 3 top 12 picks?

Not giving him props it was more the fact it’s damn hard to miss that high.... We have only picked that high 3 times and all 3 times you can say were successful picks 

Wentz(yes he is having a terrible year)

Lane Johnson( one of the best RT)

Fletcher Cox ( one of the best DTs)

Have a good chance to pick low again. Why not under a new regime? We know what the old one gets us.

2 hours ago, mjkline1958 said:

Personally I believe Sc hwartz lacks the ability to adapt his plan to a players' strengths. I like Schwartz, but the inability to adapt a plan to me is a big weakness, in life and business. A plan that doesn't allow for change is a poor plan - business 101

I think the same can be said of Doug on offense.  

Time for a GM change

OT - saw the Stones 5x. After Steel Wheels swore I'd never see them again. Watching the Scorcese vid at the Beacon - very good!

34 minutes ago, time2rock said:

I think the same can be said of Doug on offense.  

I get the sense Doug ready to call it quits in Philly looking to get fired... Would not shock me at all to see him then go on to flourish for a new team 

I don’t think anybody is ready to call it quits. Very frustrated? Yes. We are stuck with this team for next season also. Rosie knows what he has to do to get through the cap hurdles facing this team.  I think should give Pedey more power. Let him hire whom he wants to be OC. If his neck is on the line at least let him do it his way. 

For me it starts above Doug. Let a new GN decide

This Srones vid by Scorcese - Buddy Guy actually plays w/ them. Would love to be in on a jam session. Keith actually gives Buddy his guitar - respect!

We need more of that. Heard stories of what happens in the OL room when JP walks in - that's respect! He knows it's time for him to go as a player

2 hours ago, mjkline1958 said:

Have a good chance to pick low again. Why not under a new regime? We know what the old one gets us.

That makes the most sense Washington has built a niceDLine drafting high every yr. I just see us still fighting for a Useless Division title. I appreciate the courtesy shown to Doug as a first SB victor EVER for Philly but this team has just gotten Old and overpaid with mediocre replacements. I would agree it has to start above Doug.

Trini - what made sense was doing it months a ago - for me yrs ago. I haven't been on much because everything I thought would happen came true. I'd say unfortunately but this had to happen to get Lurie of his ass - maybe!  If Howie is on this team next yr, it will be the same old have the capability but. and nobody responsible. 

Jeff Lurie - you're responsible!

 

Did I mention I don't pull punches?

2 hours ago, Bleedinggreen93 said:

I get the sense Doug ready to call it quits in Philly looking to get fired... Would not shock me at all to see him then go on to flourish for a new team 

I suspect he'd be happier coaching at the college or even HS level.

Ex Green Bay coach Mike Sherman coaches up here on Cape Cod, there's another one too, seems they can;t srop competing

11 hours ago, GreenbleedinNC said:

Tired of hearing"take the BPA approach". ALL teams take the best player......at a position of need. Was Hurts a position of need? No,not then and according to most,not now either. So maybe he was the BA at a position of NON need. SO it was a pointless pick unless you are planning a Wentz dump, which puts in players heads "are we rallying around Wentz, or waiting to see if we should rally around Hurts?". Howie gets too "cute" and needs to draft what we NEED, so to me that will always be a wasted pick. A correct pick LAST year,could have avoided one THIS draft possibly. The Vikes war room cheered when we took Reagor(what a gift we gave them). The Hurts picked had everyone mind boggled and I saw fans jaws drop(mine did too). If Howie got Hurts as a trade chip,he better use him for that. Could have taken a LOT or LOG there and the JP fiasco would have never happened. If we're gonna draft like morons,then we'll have a team of morons(no offense to the players,but y'all know what I mean). C'mon man!!!

Why in the world would they have considered drafting a LT at 21 this year?  They moved up in the 1st round the year before to draft the LT of the future, and he showed flashes until they put him on the right side.  Whether he becomes the LT of the future is a question mark now, but at the time of the draft this year would have been silly.  Not to mention the 3 obvious top prospects were already off the board.  

7 hours ago, GreenbleedinNC said:

Yeah, I called Jones a WIFF, not becuase of the player,for the fact we were counting on him the following year and that didn't happen. So as I always say it's a fine line between patience and "coddling"

I was NOT happy the team moved on from Jones. Look at one of the Eagles best DE they have ever had in Graham. He didn’t play a snap the first year and very few the 2nd and 3rd years. Yet the team kept developing him. Why didn’t they see Jones’ potential?

4 hours ago, mjkline1958 said:

Time for a GM change

OT - saw the Stones 5x. After Steel Wheels swore I'd never see them again. Watching the Scorcese vid at the Beacon - very good!

Saw them in Philly for that tour.  Great show.  Mick was so energetic (as usual).  🤘🏻

Senhor - so glad to check in here and see you and Stine, sense and sensibility!

Jpmes was misused. So many players back there just didn;t fit the Schwartz mold. They'll do better elsewhere while we weep.

Smallest pic I could get. Have this album in its' original cover

1 hour ago, hputenis said:

Why in the world would they have considered drafting a LT at 21 this year?  They moved up in the 1st round the year before to draft the LT of the future, and he showed flashes until they put him on the right side.  Whether he becomes the LT of the future is a question mark now, but at the time of the draft this year would have been silly.  Not to mention the 3 obvious top prospects were already off the board.  

Why wouldn't you take a LT? Top 5 pick most peeps would go BPA. I prefer BPA at position of need, but you wind up w/ a good player either way. Well at least potential - this team hasn't been able to develop good players lately. Picking potential and making them in to good NFL players are 2 different things.

8 hours ago, Bleedinggreen93 said:

Did say rehire Joe I was just trying to get a sense of what you meant by split up the GM job and that would be the only time we did it.... Just saying that didn’t work out well either and Howie had final say 

Since neither biz plan seemed to work,I suppose it doesn't matter

2 hours ago, hputenis said:

Why in the world would they have considered drafting a LT at 21 this year?  They moved up in the 1st round the year before to draft the LT of the future, and he showed flashes until they put him on the right side.  Whether he becomes the LT of the future is a question mark now, but at the time of the draft this year would have been silly.  Not to mention the 3 obvious top prospects were already off the board.  

I was talking about round 2 instead of Hurts. They could have taken someone we would actually USE. 

Moving to the defense regarding team talent:

DE- Graham- seems to be a steady force.

DT - Cox - remains best player on the team

DT- Jackson - I was really impressed early on this year...not so much lately. Maybe injury is a factor.

DT- Hargraves - a bit disappointing, but decent player.

DT - Mcgill and others - ok seviceable backups

DE - Barnett - some improvement recently, but doesn't seem to be the player expected

DE - Sweat - I like his development. Seems streaky.

CURRY - fan favorite but just ok at this point

LB - Singleton - makes plays

LB - Reilly - ok nothing special

LB - Edwards. Improving, but not sure the ceiling is very high....I’d love to see a LB on this team that could consistently make disruptive plays in the backfield of opposing teams. None of these guys are THAT guy.

CB - Slay. Very good CB. Lots of bashing here after the Seahawks game. C’mon now. Wilson threw some passes that were not defensible. Sure Slay wasnt perfect but no CB is. Love his toughness!
CB - Maddox - salvageable playerbut not a starter on the outside. I think he is a better slot corner.

CB - Robey Coleman - FINALLY made A play on Momday, but the rest of the year has been a disaster fir this dude....wearing my favorite number by the way (thanks to Wilbert Montgomery).

S - Mills - I just dont see what Schwartz sees in him. Jenkins was SO important to this defense a year ago and to think Mills could do what Jenkins did is laughable.

S - McLeod - I may owe this guy an apology. He has played very well this year....not perfect, but very well. 

others - Wallace - need to see more, seems list so far though. What happened to Jacquet? I liked the little i saw of him. James? Decent backup.

i will continue to argue that CB is the toughest job on defense. I mean you are asked to play one on one with the best athletes in the world. They know where they are going and you don't. Tough job. Unless you are much bigger AND much faster, it has to be a tough assignment to out maneuver someone in this case.

if the team is going to stay with average DBs, the D Line better ALWAYS be DOMINANT or trade now for Patrick Mahomes so you can score 50 a game. Just saying.

The defense is very average on talent. I am not a fan of Schwartz’ style, but thats just my opinion.

what do you guys think?

By the way, I will say again that I was quite disappointed when they let Sidney Jones go. Rasul Douglas...not so much, although it seems like he is playing well for Carolina. What does that say about Schwartz’ evaluation?

 

1 hour ago, Senhorcook said:

Moving to the defense regarding team talent:

DE- Graham- seems to be a steady force.

DT - Cox - remains best player on the team

DT- Jackson - I was really impressed early on this year...not so much lately. Maybe injury is a factor.

DT- Hargraves - a bit disappointing, but decent player.

DT - Mcgill and others - ok seviceable backups

DE - Barnett - some improvement recently, but doesn't seem to be the player expected

DE - Sweat - I like his development. Seems streaky.

CURRY - fan favorite but just ok at this point

LB - Singleton - makes plays

LB - Reilly - ok nothing special

LB - Edwards. Improving, but not sure the ceiling is very high....I’d love to see a LB on this team that could consistently make disruptive plays in the backfield of opposing teams. None of these guys are THAT guy.

CB - Slay. Very good CB. Lots of bashing here after the Seahawks game. C’mon now. Wilson threw some passes that were not defensible. Sure Slay wasnt perfect but no CB is. Love his toughness!
CB - Maddox - salvageable playerbut not a starter on the outside. I think he is a better slot corner.

CB - Robey Coleman - FINALLY made A play on Momday, but the rest of the year has been a disaster fir this dude....wearing my favorite number by the way (thanks to Wilbert Montgomery).

S - Mills - I just dont see what Schwartz sees in him. Jenkins was SO important to this defense a year ago and to think Mills could do what Jenkins did is laughable.

S - McLeod - I may owe this guy an apology. He has played very well this year....not perfect, but very well. 

others - Wallace - need to see more, seems list so far though. What happened to Jacquet? I liked the little i saw of him. James? Decent backup.

i will continue to argue that CB is the toughest job on defense. I mean you are asked to play one on one with the best athletes in the world. They know where they are going and you don't. Tough job. Unless you are much bigger AND much faster, it has to be a tough assignment to out maneuver someone in this case.

if the team is going to stay with average DBs, the D Line better ALWAYS be DOMINANT or trade now for Patrick Mahomes so you can score 50 a game. Just saying.

The defense is very average on talent. I am not a fan of Schwartz’ style, but thats just my opinion.

what do you guys think?

By the way, I will say again that I was quite disappointed when they let Sidney Jones go. Rasul Douglas...not so much, although it seems like he is playing well for Carolina. What does that say about Schwartz’ evaluation?

 

Imo this is a fair analysis. I would also like to hang on to Jacquet. I feel he has potential. Our D line has been "ok", but not dominating and I think this is why the appearance is the secondary is worse than it is(although it's not great by any stretch). Give even a mediocre QB time and they will still kill you. The top ones make us look even worse.CB, DT and LB, are tops on my draft list(any order). I am not as good as most on here looking at D, so for drafting I will need to rely on your guys . I have my own choices,but you guys are better than I am there.If you want a DE over a DT, I would be fine with that also. I hope we get our Oline dialed in someday. This wasn't supposed to be an issue . I guess for me the issue is this. if we GOT all these guys,would Schwartz develop them? I mean it's just weird players go elsewhere and play better

1 hour ago, GreenbleedinNC said:

Imo this is a fair analysis. I would also like to hang on to Jacquet. I feel he has potential.

I'd like to hang on to him too. I'd also like to see him on the field instead of Maddox. 

6 hours ago, Senhorcook said:

By the way, I will say again that I was quite disappointed when they let Sidney Jones go. Rasul Douglas...not so much, although it seems like he is playing well for Carolina. What does that say about Schwartz’ evaluation?

 

Schwartz's evaluation?  I'd say it is more an issue with Schwartz's scheme.  Most outside corners have struggled to find success here since he became DC.  When you have players like Douglas and Jones go elsewhere and immediately find success that is a pretty strong indictment that the scheme is to blame for their lack of success here.  His contract expires at the end of the season - should they allow him to walk (sure seems like that will be the case), it will be interesting to see if a new scheme will help whoever is playing corner here to look better.

Where I see his evaluation be an issue is when someone like Gerry make the team over Fort.  Perhaps Gerry was hand-picked by Schwartz and hence the favoritism.