15 minutes ago, Bleedinggreen93 said:

So that goes for DL then as well paying for Curry to return, trading for Jerigan, paying Malik, paying Hargrove, trading for Ridgeway... Again you keep avoiding the question who have we developed on the DL???? 

I’m not blaming for anything I’m just stating the facts we can’t develop any position really. 
 

So if we are only draft what we are good at that’s a short list would be TE, RB and maybe OL 

Yes, that's the problem,that list is too short

3 minutes ago, GreenbleedinNC said:

Yes, that's the problem,that list is too short

So if we can’t draft any position but the 3 I listed above what do you do at 7 or wherever we pick??? Do you pass up on a CB or a DE just because well we can’t develop them... Do you draft the best TE in the class think he is from Florida Pitts 

1 minute ago, Bleedinggreen93 said:

So if we can’t draft any position but the 3 I listed above what do you do at 7 or wherever we pick??? Do you pass up on a CB or a DE just because well we can’t develop them... Do you draft the best TE in the class think he is from Florida Pitts 

That's the quandry we have(in my view). If I have a biz,my managers need to be in place before I hire any staff. I can't just hire a bunch of people(draftees) and hope I have found by luck a future manager(or star in our case). So we are the cart before the horse. I understand we need to draft at all positions, but if everything is equal(please note this!!! if all elements are EQUAL) then I should draft to my strengths. If I end up with more talent there than I need, I can trade those players or I can sit back and wonder why I got high caliber people who aren't performing. If I am doing that with those results, I find a new manager and I will hire the talent you want AFTER you show me you can improve what I already have

So, I feel the LB  coach is doing ok with what little he has. Although they are not stars,the goal as set above is to show me improvement with what we already have. In my view he has done that and I would have NP taking a LB. Now we get to WHOSE decision was it to lose those DB's? These are things we don't know,so it's incalculable to know if it's the DB coach or the person above him. Not enough info. This is what I used to do,go in and find out. So until I know who is responsible,I cannot reco taking a top CB draft pick. I can,but it would be at the risk of not knowing and those results cannot be forecast with whomever is in place right now

Just now, GreenbleedinNC said:

So, I feel the LB is doing ok with what little he has. They are not stars,but in my view he has improved what I already have. Therefore I would be ok taking a LB in 1(but we don't take those) maybe we should?

If you seriously look at what this Cb coach has been given he has overachieved.

Slay though down from Detroit still been a good CB all year had a terrible game vs Metcalf sure but one game doesn’t speak for the e tire body of work think he has given up what 2 maybe 3 yes all season.

Outside of that he been handed 2 slot CBS to compete outside. They tend to get overmatched by bigger WRs been alright when they cover guys they should... NRC even had a pretty good game on Lockett in the slot.

Jacquet also flashed when given the chance to play. 

 

8 minutes ago, Bleedinggreen93 said:

If you seriously look at what this Cb coach has been given he has overachieved.

Slay though down from Detroit still been a good CB all year had a terrible game vs Metcalf sure but one game doesn’t speak for the e tire body of work think he has given up what 2 maybe 3 yes all season.

Outside of that he been handed 2 slot CBS to compete outside. They tend to get overmatched by bigger WRs been alright when they cover guys they should... NRC even had a pretty good game on Lockett in the slot.

Jacquet also flashed when given the chance to play. 

 

OK,if that is your view and I could possibly share that view,then those coaches BOSS is where the bottleneck is and in my view that is ultimately,with some pieces unknown by me on the GM,which I why I still argue that position needs to be taken away from Howie and split into 2. Maybe those result don't change,but now you can identify one of 2 spots you failed to fix. The double billing Howie has in my view the whole issue. That new GM can get those "managers' in place I have laid out. IMO this starts at the top and Lurie needs to grow a set. If you want a buddy that's fine,but if you want a FOOTBALL team,this has to be done

I will put it this way. You or me could probably not do what Howie does contractually. he is very good at it,but also lets face this fact. You me or anyone on this board can make random draft choices based on whatever info you want and have roughly the same amount of success there as Howie. Would you disagree with that? Now if you agree with that,it's fairly easy to see where we lack the expertise. That is at the GM position. He was basically handed that title with no real experience at it. That is Luries fault. So my question to Lurie would be,do you want a buddy or do you want a football team?it's your team,your call,but that is my reco(and why you paid me to find out lol)

And so ,as I said,I don't claim to know the inner workings,but from a distance with what I know,that is where my change is. If Howie wants to stay and do contracts, thats, great,if not I need to hire TWO people. Either way,this stagnation has not worked since Ped has been here. I do not know if this is Peds fault because there are higher issues to deal with

4 minutes ago, GreenbleedinNC said:

I will put it this way. You or me could probably not do what Howie does contractually. he is very good at it,but also lets face this fact. You me or anyone on this board can make random draft choices based on whatever info you want and have roughly the same amount of success there as Howie. Would you disagree with that? Now if you agree with that,it's fairly easy to see where we lack the expertise. That is at the GM position. He was basically handed that title with no real experience at it. That is Luries fault. So my question to Lurie would be,do you want a buddy or do you want a football team?it's your team,your call,but that is my reco(and why you paid me to find out lol)

Think Howie is great with numbers I don’t think he is the only guy that is great with numbers and contracts though.... So if your asking me no I don’t split the job items either Howie or fire him.

Howie has been given his chances don’t need the headache and the power struggle that will happen trying to split the roles to many pieces in my eyes. So if I go out to hire a new GM Howie is fired 

3 minutes ago, Bleedinggreen93 said:

Think Howie is great with numbers I don’t think he is the only guy that is great with numbers and contracts though.... So if your asking me no I don’t split the job items either Howie or fire him.

Howie has been given his chances don’t need the headache and the power struggle that will happen trying to split the roles to many pieces in my eyes. So if I go out to hire a new GM Howie is fired 

I listed that option above. Lurie needs to say "this is how it will be, are you staying or do I need TWO hires" Then let that be on Howie,but either way I am getting a new GM. Howie can be "asst. GM".or whatever other title you want to add to his office door

So,if Howie says NO I cant stay under those conditions,I then know I need to hire a GM and promote whomever is under him to do the contracts.If Howies wants to stay,fine. In any case,I have addressed the problem. maybe I have to do this again later,but as an owner thats the job you take on

3 minutes ago, GreenbleedinNC said:

I listed that option above. Lurie needs to say "this is how it will be, are you staying or do I need TWO hires" Then let that be on Howie,but either way I am getting a new GM. Howie can be "asst. GM".or whatever other title you want to add to his office door

Again even if he agrees to step down think there will be a circus in our FO because he is still on the office.... Think it just adds to the headache that we don’t need. Either keep Howie as he is or fire him those are the only two options in my eyes. 
 

If we fire Howie great what I’m on  board with plenty of other GM out there that do what Howie does with the cap and are better on the football side of things 

My personal experiences in seeing people demoted essentially from a position of power never tends to go well if they stick around

Yeah,that is very true. I have also had managers I reduced to asst,understand why I made that decision,and they worked harder,learned more or I trained them better and they retook a managers job. So those are the inner workings I am not aware of

3 minutes ago, GreenbleedinNC said:

Yeah,that is very true. I have also had managers I reduced to asst,understand why I made that decision,and they worked harder,learned more or I trained them better and they retook a managers job. So those are the inner workings I am not aware of

Howie just doesn’t strike me as the guy it will go over well with. Image him trying to undermine the new GM every chance he gets in attempts to get him fired and get his job back....

Maybe not fair of me to judge Howie that way but just the kind of person he portrays to me 

So we can make lists,make mocks,blame who we want and there is no NFL team that has it all,but for me Howie needs to give this up,the new GN to put the lower managers in place and go from there. The amount of stagnation on this team is alarming. From SB to sub .500 is all that should be in Luries head. yes we had injuries,more than most,but look even at the later picks that are gone. We need to even pick our late rounders better and have the staff in place to develop them and I'm not seeing that. So where are Shareef MIller and Jjaw? if we had the staff,those 2 could step right in with barely any loss

1 minute ago, Bleedinggreen93 said:

Howie just doesn’t strike me as the guy it will go over well with. Image him trying to undermine the new GM every chance he gets in attempts to get him fired and get his job back....

Maybe not fair of me to judge Howie that way but just the kind of person he portrays to me 

I see it that same way,but let that be his call.IMO Lurie needs to put it up there and move on with whatever he decides.Lack of action is not an option for me

Howie took a year to learn to be a "football guy" Maybe he needs 3,maybe he never is,that was on Lurie. He can fix it,or ignore it,it's his team

Anyway,I am frustrated, PO'd and after supporting this team since 1971,it's an endless source of BS I don't need lol. I can't be alone

My offseason check list.

1. Fire Howie sorry it’s time to go

2. find the best damn talent evaluator you can to be our GM. I think we have a great accounting staff to worry about contracts get me a guy who can find talent in the draft in FA etc. 

3. let him make the call on Doug if he believes in Doug great if not let him go.

4. If we retain Doug let Doug handle his staff completely if he wants to fire Schwartz keep Schwartz whatever let your HC handle the coaching parts. GM worry about finding the talent. 
 

5. Think we have to develop that line between GM your job is to fill the 90 man roster with the best possible talent... Coaches your job is to trim that down to the best 53. 
 

Just want everyone to have there lanes and held accountable for those. Feel like there is no real accountability on this team right now and no clue who is in charge of what 

Good news for Y'all. I am DONE analyzing, done complaining, pointing fingers and very close to being done supporting. Y'all know where I stand by now, no sense rehashing it. Lurie needs to make a move. Like a stagnant septic system it needs cleaned out

I just think we need a QB coach. It feels like Press Taylor has become the OC.

Press took over the playcalling for the whole second half of the Hawks game.

3 hours ago, Bleedinggreen93 said:

My personal experiences in seeing people demoted essentially from a position of power never tends to go well if they stick around

Howie has demonstrated that he is a "weasel snake" or however Scandrick referred to him. Either leaves things as they are or get him out of the building. Half measures might be worse than no measures.

I want to draft  "Alabama"(the whole team). I see no weaknesses here lol