I think Ward beat Alexander on that TD

YAY a QB!!!

Nice runback!!!

SO no running game AGAIN. even putting Hurts in, that should NEVER go away

4 hours ago, jsb235 said:

I don't think we can justify playing Wentz anymore. We have to see if the problem is him or the offense. Put in Hurts.

It's early days, but it certainly looks like we had a Wentz problem, and not an offense problem. I am actually looking forward to seeing the all 22 to see how he played. His first throw to Reagor was a thing of beauty, and as far as our receivers not getting separation, Ward was in a different area code than any defenders on his TD catch. He also made a great throw that Fulgham dropped. 

The running game is going to be better with him in there, as the read option actually has to be respected.

As far as other individual performances, I thought Jacquet had another solid game. I remember one big hit on a running play, and I don't recall him giving up any big plays. Our defense suffered once Edwards got hurt. His play is severely underrated by a lot of people.

I think Wallace missed a few plays when he was in there. Epps seemed solid, but it's hard to say without the tape.

Peters was horrible. I am not sure who had a bigger impact, Hurts or Herbig.

Reagor's punt return showed that we haven't done nearly enough to get the ball in his hands.

Ertz? Man, how far has this guy fallen? Him and Wentz are on a race to the bottom.

Overall, a lot of things to be optimistic about. If Hurts can run the offense decently the rest of the year, that would solve a ton of problems for us. Imagine going into 2022 with $80 million in cap space, a top 5 pick on our defense, and with Hurts throwing/handing off to Reagor, Sanders, Fulgham and Goedert.

At halftime I was ready to throw a brick through my TV. But by the end of the game I was feeling a lot better about things.    

Yeah, I mentioned the Wentz trade as a way to kill 5 birds with 1 stone. (Wentz gone,Ertz gone,Alshon gone,Djax gone, Peters gone).I'm still not gonna anoint Hurts after a 1/2 game,but maybe this is the wake up call Wentz needs (which I suggested they try LONG ago and got bashed lol).Sometimes old guys actually know what they are talking about. 

6 hours ago, GreenbleedinNC said:

Yeah, I mentioned the Wentz trade as a way to kill 5 birds with 1 stone. (Wentz gone,Ertz gone,Alshon gone,Djax gone, Peters gone).I'm still not gonna anoint Hurts after a 1/2 game,but maybe this is the wake up call Wentz needs (which I suggested they try LONG ago and got bashed lol).Sometimes old guys actually know what they are talking about. 

I think the Wentz trade does have a lot of merit to it. We could get good value for him because I'm sure another team would give us pretty good value. Ok we'd have to eat the cap hit but that's one year and this team needs to be in major rebuild anyway. 

What ever happened to that other PAC-12 Softee Linebacker the Eagles drafted in the 3rd round? Did he get hurt as expected being from the PAC-12?

1 hour ago, UK_EaglesFan89 said:

I think the Wentz trade does have a lot of merit to it. We could get good value for him because I'm sure another team would give us pretty good value. Ok we'd have to eat the cap hit but that's one year and this team needs to be in major rebuild anyway. 

It's more than just eating the cap hit ... it's getting pennies on the dollar with regard to the draft capital (we'd get no where near what we gave up to get him).  

11 minutes ago, time2rock said:

It's more than just eating the cap hit ... it's getting pennies on the dollar with regard to the draft capital (we'd get no where near what we gave up to get him).  

Wouldn't we? I'm not so sure about that. Plus that value is history now. If we could get a first for him then I think that would be a trade that makes sense. 

17 minutes ago, UK_EaglesFan89 said:

Wouldn't we? I'm not so sure about that. Plus that value is history now. If we could get a first for him then I think that would be a trade that makes sense. 

Not saying it couldn’t happen but at best I think we could get a 1st.  We spent two 1s, a 2, and a 4 (if memory serves correctly) to get him (plus Alonso and Maxwell, but not counting them ... it was just good to get rid of Maxwell’s horrendous contract).  

Just now, time2rock said:

Not saying it couldn’t happen but at best I think we could get a 1st.  We spent two 1s, a 2, and a 4 (if memory serves correctly) to get him (plus Alonso and Maxwell, but not counting them ... it was just good to get rid of Maxwell’s horrendous contract).  

I think we could get a 1st plus change like a 1st and a 4th. We didn't really spend two 1st though did we. We gave them a 1st and swapped positions with our other in effect because we gained a 1st at the same time. And we can recouped a 1st by trading Bradford and we got an extra 2nd when trading back in 2018. And anyway that is history and we spent what we spent. That shouldn't factor in to any future trade value.

THis team has already packed up and gone home.

I use the word TEAM very loosely

I don't think there's any reason to trade Wentz now, as his value will never be lower. Plus, he could always break out of his funk, and then you can trade Hurts for a first rounder or more if he plays well.

The biggest issue is that we have a massive salary cap problem next year. But I think we can keep Graham and Barnett at much lower cap hits, and there's not really a reason to bring back any of the other vets or pending free agents.

The best case scenario is that Hurts plays well the rest of the season and then Wentz has a massive preseason, and we get to turn one of them into draft capital.

Also, if Hurts plays well, it saves Howie's job. There's no two ways about it. 

22 minutes ago, jsb235 said:

I don't think there's any reason to trade Wentz now, as his value will never be lower. Plus, he could always break out of his funk, and then you can trade Hurts for a first rounder or more if he plays well.

The biggest issue is that we have a massive salary cap problem next year. But I think we can keep Graham and Barnett at much lower cap hits, and there's not really a reason to bring back any of the other vets or pending free agents.

The best case scenario is that Hurts plays well the rest of the season and then Wentz has a massive preseason, and we get to turn one of them into draft capital.

Also, if Hurts plays well, it saves Howie's job. There's no two ways about it. 

Thanks a lot.

Now i have to hope he sucks.

Snap counts.

Eagles vs. Packers snap counts: Alshon Jeffery inexplicably sees another increase in playing time - Bleeding Green Nation

Now that we are pretty much out of it, I am hoping that we are done with Alshon and Peters. Ertz I guess can see some snaps to try and increase his trade value. But on merit he has been outplayed by Richard Rodgers.

On defense, Jacquet deserves an opportunity. Put him at outside corner and Maddox in the slot. If Slay misses time, put Mills or NRC out CB2. It doesn't matter as neither guy should be here next year.

Epps should be the starter at SS. Wallace hasn't looked good. Bradley should be getting LB snaps over Riley if Edwards misses time.

As noted, these next few weeks determines if Howie stays or goes. If Hurts, Reagor, Driscoll, Mailata, Herbig and other young players do well, he deserves to stay. If they struggle, it's time to clean house. A best case scenario is that we keep every game close but lose every week to protect our draft position. But if Hurts is who Howie thought he was, which is basically Russell Wilson, we should win games down the stretch.  

4 hours ago, UK_EaglesFan89 said:

I think the Wentz trade does have a lot of merit to it. We could get good value for him because I'm sure another team would give us pretty good value. Ok we'd have to eat the cap hit but that's one year and this team needs to be in major rebuild anyway. 

IDK taking Lawrence would be really tempting. You'd have Lawrence and Hurts on your roster for 3 years,so eating that loot/loss would be spread over those 3 years. Of course that's assuming you can keep them on the field,which is doubtful to me

45 minutes ago, jsb235 said:

I don't think there's any reason to trade Wentz now, as his value will never be lower. Plus, he could always break out of his funk, and then you can trade Hurts for a first rounder or more if he plays well.

The biggest issue is that we have a massive salary cap problem next year. But I think we can keep Graham and Barnett at much lower cap hits, and there's not really a reason to bring back any of the other vets or pending free agents.

The best case scenario is that Hurts plays well the rest of the season and then Wentz has a massive preseason, and we get to turn one of them into draft capital.

Also, if Hurts plays well, it saves Howie's job. There's no two ways about it. 

Wentz's low value is HERE. Other teams may view him as someone that fits better (and can give him a freakin pocket), so as far as "value", that would vary by team. If Hurts plays well and Wentz sucks, how would that save Howie since he probably drafted them both? Drafting Wentz got us in this position (Howie) and really I am NOT ready to anoint Hurts after 1/2 game lol. Such knee jerk reaction!!!!! Trevor Lawrence, or Fields are both NFL ready(maybe Hurts is too,which we will find out later if they let him play). So the unknown for me is "how good is Hurts?" Maybe(as I said a few weeks back) this benching is the wake up call Wentz needs. Jury out, but for me offers are on the table

11 minutes ago, jsb235 said:

Snap counts.

Eagles vs. Packers snap counts: Alshon Jeffery inexplicably sees another increase in playing time - Bleeding Green Nation

Now that we are pretty much out of it, I am hoping that we are done with Alshon and Peters. Ertz I guess can see some snaps to try and increase his trade value. But on merit he has been outplayed by Richard Rodgers.

On defense, Jacquet deserves an opportunity. Put him at outside corner and Maddox in the slot. If Slay misses time, put Mills or NRC out CB2. It doesn't matter as neither guy should be here next year.

Epps should be the starter at SS. Wallace hasn't looked good. Bradley should be getting LB snaps over Riley if Edwards misses time.

As noted, these next few weeks determines if Howie stays or goes. If Hurts, Reagor, Driscoll, Mailata, Herbig and other young players do well, he deserves to stay. If they struggle, it's time to clean house. A best case scenario is that we keep every game close but lose every week to protect our draft position. But if Hurts is who Howie thought he was, which is basically Russell Wilson, we should win games down the stretch.  

LOL,I think in most businesses you work the "old men" harder the week before retirement(Squeeze out that last ounce). Seems to me thats what we are doing. Howard looked ok for the tiny amount of plays. IDK why we pay RB's we hardly use them 

40 minutes ago, GreenbleedinNC said:

IDK taking Lawrence would be really tempting. You'd have Lawrence and Hurts on your roster for 3 years,so eating that loot/loss would be spread over those 3 years. Of course that's assuming you can keep them on the field,which is doubtful to me

I prefer Fields but yeah I mean one of those 2 guys along with Hurts. Cheap QB option for the next 3-5 years as you say.

23 minutes ago, GreenbleedinNC said:

 If Hurts plays well and Wentz sucks, how would that save Howie since he probably drafted them both? 

We all saw Wentz play at a very high level. If Hurts plays at a very high level, then I think you have to place the blame for Wentz's regression on the coaching staff, rather than the guy selecting the players.

We have all seen how Slay has struggled the last two weeks. We have seen players who couldn't get on the field here (Fort, Douglas, Jones, Darby) go on to have success elsewhere. So at some point, you have to realize that the problem isn't the talent, it's what being done with it.

The bottom line is this. Howie drafted Hurts because he felt he was a unicorn, namely a qb capable of being a top 10 guy in the league. If he was right, you don't lose your job for finding a unicorn just because you missed on a third round linebacker.

And, what if we see guys like JJAW and Hightower start to play better with Hurts on the field? I think that substantially changes the equation in terms of how we drafted. Wentz's poor play hasn't just impacted his value, but that of our oline and wrs as well. If Hurts is who Howie thought he was, we should see all of those elements get better.

One caveat. I didn't think Hurts was that good. So I didn't see what Howie saw in him, nor do I expect him to do well the rest of the season. So Howie should absolutely lose his job if that's the case. But if he got this right, you can't fire him.

Some really positive news.

Thomas R. Petersen 🦅 on Twitter: "Jordan Mailata was the 2nd highest graded pass blocking OL in the NFL this week. He didn't give up a single pressure. #Eagles https://t.co/JPEsfzBGvJ" / Twitter

 

2 hours ago, UK_EaglesFan89 said:

I prefer Fields but yeah I mean one of those 2 guys along with Hurts. Cheap QB option for the next 3-5 years as you say.

IDk that either could be any worse right now,but with 2 rooks,we'd have 3 years to find our QB and maybe trade the other lol. I really HATE to be talking like this!!! very sad

2 hours ago, jsb235 said:

We all saw Wentz play at a very high level. If Hurts plays at a very high level, then I think you have to place the blame for Wentz's regression on the coaching staff, rather than the guy selecting the players.

We have all seen how Slay has struggled the last two weeks. We have seen players who couldn't get on the field here (Fort, Douglas, Jones, Darby) go on to have success elsewhere. So at some point, you have to realize that the problem isn't the talent, it's what being done with it.

The bottom line is this. Howie drafted Hurts because he felt he was a unicorn, namely a qb capable of being a top 10 guy in the league. If he was right, you don't lose your job for finding a unicorn just because you missed on a third round linebacker.

And, what if we see guys like JJAW and Hightower start to play better with Hurts on the field? I think that substantially changes the equation in terms of how we drafted. Wentz's poor play hasn't just impacted his value, but that of our oline and wrs as well. If Hurts is who Howie thought he was, we should see all of those elements get better.

One caveat. I didn't think Hurts was that good. So I didn't see what Howie saw in him, nor do I expect him to do well the rest of the season. So Howie should absolutely lose his job if that's the case. But if he got this right, you can't fire him.

One way to view it, another is lack of drafting sufficient protectors for him. Would an already set lineman have helped more than Hurts? We won't know that answer. Never really drafted the BU's needed that could step right in with minimal loss,so wouldn't that be on Howie also? IDK that Howies job hinges on lack of proper staffing. But something has to give

2 minutes ago, GreenbleedinNC said:

IDk that either could be any worse right now,but with 2 rooks,we'd have 3 years to find our QB and maybe trade the other lol. I really HATE to be talking like this!!! very sad

I mean you'd have to hope that one of those rooks is going to work out? I can't imagine how far it would set this franchise back if neither were. I agree though it is by very sad to be talking like this.