2 hours ago, Trini said:

There are so many other problems on this team beside Wentz. Edwards has had some good moments but is still getting lost in coverage. Has Slay lost a step, is this another High priced aging vet wasted money. Or is it scheme and Coaching. Not in a rush to Dump Wentz as disappointing and frustrating as this season has been, can he be fixed. I still need to know what we have in Hurts?

I agree it is more than just Wentz. It is without doubt more than Wentz. But Wentz is the single biggest issue apart from the conductor Howie. 

16 minutes ago, Trini said:

This is the least expected discussion I NEVER imagined we would be having.  I love that kid Wentz , but he is just NOT the version I was expecting after 5 yrs.

I think many of us had concerns about how this season would go. We saw flaws with this team that could be exposed. What none of us really thought was that Wentz would be the worst QB in the league. 

14 minutes ago, UK_EaglesFan89 said:

I agree it is more than just Wentz. It is without doubt more than Wentz. But Wentz is the single biggest issue apart from the conductor Howie. 

The problem with having bad qb play is that you then have bad oline and bad wr play by default, and it also puts a lot more stress on the defense.

So it looks like everything is broken.

This team is better than people think, we just look bad because the qb has been bad. Hurts will be a welcome change. But we have to get Ertz, Jeffery and Peters off the field as well. Those guys are killing us.

I want to see Hurts with Hightower, Reagor and Fulgham. Our receivers have speed, and Hurts can buy time with his legs to allow them to get open. It's time to let go of the past and embrace the future. 

2 hours ago, UK_EaglesFan89 said:

A Wentz trade doesn't come with a $55-60M hit though. 

The point I was trying to make is that money comes off the payroll. Someone would have to take that salary off us, so those teams would have to feel he is worth it, which right now is a tough sell for the Eagles. So now you'd have 2 rook QB's(with this trade scenario). What would a top CB(or 2) and a top gun at another position cost(can you get 3 of those for the same loot)? QB is where the bulk of your pay goes to unless they are rooks. So for me, if you aren't in the SB picture, there is no point in paying a SB QB salary,which if you are doing things right,you keep drafting QB's every 2-3 drafts, develop and trade your old one, unless of course they are performing at SB/playoff level. Obviously this is the ultimate thing you want to happen, at every spot, doing it is not that easy because lets face it, not all QB's or other draft picks develop. I need to see Hurts play more and maybe Wentz kicks his own arse, or gets outside help, But really after 5 years, he was better in his rook year. This team is usually as bad or worse than most on the injury front. This is not an expansion team, and we'd best figure that issue out before we sign anyone. IMO, the fire in Wentz went out after the concuss, so we see a few burning embers at times, but it's not hot enough to light up this team. IDK, QB was the spot I though we had dialed in lol

2 hours ago, Trini said:

I like your analogy.😂 We already dealing with a lot of dead money .... add Covid loses, that would really compound things.

We will also save the salaries of Djax ,Alshon and JP (unless we are stupid enough to re-sign them again). If you wanted to lose Ertz, I could see that also. What we need is what us old people call "Tabula Rasa" (AKA clean/erase the slate) We have some young pieces in place, time to finish that job since this season is a wash anyway

3 hours ago, UK_EaglesFan89 said:

Very good and fair point. Build an offense and a team that can support its QB. Whether that is Hurts or another young QB.

Thats was the theory behind the Wentz move UP, but we failed to do it with bad picks and too many injuries. When you are calling up PS players to start, heads need to roll. Although I want adequate BU's drafted, you can't draft to a depth of 4 adequate guys at every position. That's where we are. I would have the Linc water tested because we are annually one of the more beat up teams and there is NO explanation for this. So laugh at me if you want, but little things can cause big issues. Are the cleats wrong? is the turf at the Linc bad? Is the training "too soft"?  Why are we annually one of the most injury laden teams? One answer is we are too old and keep counting on "old reliable" until they are no longer reliable, but by then it's too late. At that point we hit panic mode and this cycle repeats over and over

2 hours ago, jsb235 said:

So it looks like everything is broken.

This team is better than people think, we just look bad because the qb has been bad. Hurts will be a welcome change. But we have to get Ertz, Jeffery and Peters off the field as well. Those guys are killing us.

Agreed

When I went into biz's and looked at where the bottlenecks and problems were, at first I didn't look at the PEOPLE (which was fine because I was fitting in as a new "employee"), I looked at "how is this place structured to succeed" and where is that growth stopping? So, in biz you need to have a plan, with goals, at every level. if those goals are not met, that person needs to go and that was at every level from entry level to VP. I have had VP's fired as well as janitors. So success is making a plan of set goals and let the employee go for it(the may the best person win theory). Sports is a bit different in that as a player, once you hit the top, you really cannot be "promoted" per se except monetarily. There is some jiggle room here as far as the staff goes. But the structure to succeed is the same. When we draft someone, there should be specific goals they need to hit, to remain. Unfortunately, being a "good guy" is not one of them. If that structure is already in place, it's being bent(which I found alot of times) Set the goals, make the guys meet them. That is how you make a successful biz. You don't have to be a jerk, but you can be firm and fair and noone will argue. So with injuries, the goal process STOPS, but once they return, it should pick up where it left off.....with no excuses. Either follow the model, or you go away. If the player wants to speed that process, that is on them, but my criteria cannot change, for ANYONE. Like I said sports is a bit different, but offering up what I know to be true in the biz world. I hate Belicheat, but I can tell you he sticks to his guns and you follow his plan or you are gone, "famous" or not. The problem I see(from a distance) is once we hit panic mode,those rules/goals are bent or dropped because we have no choice. The failure is to NEVER get in that position. Ok off my soapbox(and rocker probably lol)

Anyone have the moneyline parley of NYGiants and WFT?

Incredible that they both won. Maybe the NFC East isn't that bad after all. 

13 minutes ago, jsb235 said:

Anyone have the moneyline parley of NYGiants and WFT?

Incredible that they both won. Maybe the NFC East isn't that bad after all. 

YIKES!!! That was pretty impressive!!!

7 hours ago, Trini said:

Perhaps if Hurts gets a full week of practice with the first team... And does not get dumped in a game against an 8 game winning playoff bound Packer team, with the game bordering on getting out of hand....hmmmmmm perhaps Hurts would have performed better. We keep being told Hurts isn't ready...he is our #2 ? after Wentz right ... if Wentz gets hurt ?Hurts who is not ready becomes the guy that played yesterday with no reps with the starters. This whole QB situation is foul.

I'd argue that he was thrown into a pretty favorable situation.  The game was already seemingly lost, and the Packers went into prevent for the most part on that first drive.  They have no film on Hurts, and their whole game plan was focused on stopping Wentz.  They seemed to clamp down after that punt return.  

Once teams prepare for Hurts for an entire week, and they have film on him in this league, it may get even tougher for someone like him.  

Man, watching this Bills/niners game vs two very good defenses and the OLines are giving their QB time, I mean serious time, to read the defense. I defend Wentz A lot, and I admit that I have been very frustrated with his play this season. I just wonder on a percentage aspect, how much is it on the OLine? They suck! I mean, they SUCK! Tornado of suck!  So why o why won’t the coaching staff get him out of the pocket more? Why? STRANGE!

My frustration with Wentz is that he has to know they suck. So INSIST on quicker routes; insist on some rub routes to get guys open. DON’T hold the ball long. DONT make boneheaded decisions to throw a ball up for grabs to a ROOKIE that has caught 2-3 passes in his NFL career. DONT TRY TO HIT THE DEEP BALL ON EVERY PLAY. Understand the current situation and play smartly accordingly. We have not seen that from him this year. The one thing that I was so excited about in year 2 was how accurate he was. He has NOT been consistently accurate this year. He has been FAR from it!  I thought his pinpoint accuracy would make this a championship team for years to come. 
I think he can get it back. He may need a new coach, new line, new playcaller, new WRs, but Im not convinced you go from MVP to can’t hit the side of a barn.  If he can't, this team is in trouble. I will still watch every game. In the meantime, I'll be glad to watch Andy Reid and his Chiefs continue to win. Gotta have somebody to cheer for that is good while the Eagles are down. It was Steve Young and the Niners during those crappy years. And the Eagles were crappy. Cunningham was average at best and Buddy Ryan never even won a single playoff game. It was almost 20 years or so of below average football....until Reid became the coach. Thank goodness for Reggie White and company to give the team a chance in those days. Man was he good! Best ever.....and the Eagles let him go. How? Why?

26 minutes ago, Senhorcook said:

Man, watching this Bills/niners game vs two very good defenses and the OLines are giving their QB time, I mean serious time, to read the defense. I defend Wentz A lot, and I admit that I have been very frustrated with his play this season. I just wonder on a percentage aspect, how much is it on the OLine? They suck! I mean, they SUCK! Tornado of suck!  So why o why won’t the coaching staff get him out of the pocket more? Why? STRANGE!

My frustration with Wentz is that he has to know they suck. So INSIST on quicker routes; insist on some rub routes to get guys open. DON’T hold the ball long. DONT make boneheaded decisions to throw a ball up for grabs to a ROOKIE that has caught 2-3 passes in his NFL career. DONT TRY TO HIT THE DEEP BALL ON EVERY PLAY. Understand the current situation and play smartly accordingly. We have not seen that from him this year. The one thing that I was so excited about in year 2 was how accurate he was. He has NOT been consistently accurate this year. He has been FAR from it!  I thought his pinpoint accuracy would make this a championship team for years to come. 
I think he can get it back. He may need a new coach, new line, new playcaller, new WRs, but Im not convinced you go from MVP to can’t hit the side of a barn.  If he can't, this team is in trouble. I will still watch every game. In the meantime, I'll be glad to watch Andy Reid and his Chiefs continue to win. Gotta have somebody to cheer for that is good while the Eagles are down. It was Steve Young and the Niners during those crappy years. And the Eagles were crappy. Cunningham was average at best and Buddy Ryan never even won a single playoff game. It was almost 20 years or so of below average football....until Reid became the coach. Thank goodness for Reggie White and company to give the team a chance in those days. Man was he good! Best ever.....and the Eagles let him go. How? Why?

Watching also. It's refreshing to see 2 coherent teams play

6 hours ago, GreenbleedinNC said:

The point I was trying to make is that money comes off the payroll. Someone would have to take that salary off us, so those teams would have to feel he is worth it, which right now is a tough sell for the Eagles.

I don't think it would be as tough as you might think. I think there will be a team out there who think they can turn Wentz around. And because a lot of the bonuses etc have been paid up front by us, the contract another team is taking on isn't quite so bad. 

1 minute ago, UK_EaglesFan89 said:

I don't think it would be as tough as you might think. I think there will be a team out there who think they can turn Wentz around. And because a lot of the bonuses etc have been paid up front by us, the contract another team is taking on isn't quite so bad. 

So,now the question is,will we ruin Hurts too? LOL

3 minutes ago, GreenbleedinNC said:

So,now the question is,will we ruin Hurts too? LOL

I guess it all depends? If Howie is staying as GM then yes probably. If Press stays as QB coach then yes probably. If this offensive scheme doesn't change then yes probably. 

13 hours ago, UK_EaglesFan89 said:

I think many of us had concerns about how this season would go. We saw flaws with this team that could be exposed. What none of us really thought was that Wentz would be the worst QB in the league. 

I definitely did but I don’t think many here did. That’s the only reason for such outrage. I was trying to point out how all these contracts were being backloaded and we’d have to pay for them. Seemed like consensus was that everybody wasn’t worried about the money and that Rosie would just work more of his magic. This team has been on a downhill trajectory since the SB victory. Been obvious to me. NOW obvious to many. Missing arguably our two best players(Brooks and Johnson) before the season even started was a really tough blow that has been our biggest issue.(Dillard was insult on to injury).

2 minutes ago, cunninghamtheman said:

I definitely did but I don’t think many here did. That’s the only reason for such outrage

I think many of us were concerned with the secondary. I think we had reservations over the WRs. I think the OL started to fall apart and many of us had some concerns. 

10 minutes ago, UK_EaglesFan89 said:

I think many of us were concerned with the secondary. I think we had reservations over the WRs. I think the OL started to fall apart and many of us had some concerns. 

The Oline completely fell apart. Isn’t that where everything starts? That makes these results even more expected. So why is everybody upset?

The other main factor for the O is these young guys haven’t been lining up and running the expected route. Been wrong lining up at the line of scrimmage. Wrong routes run. A huge one is cutting off your route on the hot read. We’ve needed that part sooo much. QB needs to get the ball out of his hands quick but the receivers aren’t on that same page.

Some thoughts after watching the all 22.

Hurts is definitely the right qb for us right now. He can break containment, so he's going to pick up a lot of yards running that are currently sacks right now with Wentz. His decisions are solid. He put the ball where our guys could make plays. He missed a few throws, but there's room to grow.

His long throw to Reagor was really impressive, not just because it was a nice throw, but because he actually threw it. Green Bay was giving us that route all game long. The played press with no deep safety help on our outside receivers. We have to make teams pay when they do that, and we haven't all season.

Herbig is really good. For one, he's huge. He literally makes Driscoll and Kelce look like midgets. Dlinemen can't move him. I didn't see one bad rep from him in pass protection. A line of Mailata-Herbig-Seumalo-Brooks-Johnson could be absolutely dominant next year.

Hightower needs to be back on the field. With Hurts able to hit deep passes, his speed on the outside is essential. Put him at the Z and switch Reagor and Fulgham between the X and slot. Bring Ward in on third down and near the goal line. Jeffery shouldn't be on the field.

If we want this offense to work, we have to force defenses to respect the deep pass. That will open up running lanes for the read option and for Hurts when he scrambles. Green Bay was able to contain him because Jeffery, Ertz and Ward were running 6 yard routes over and over again, so all the defenders were near the LOS. Having Hightower, Fulgham and Reagor on the field will open things up.

On defense, Jacquet is one heck of a tackler. He got lost in coverage a few times, but he certainly wasn't worse than Maddox. There's no reason to keep him on the bench. Next year we might draft a 200 pound, 6'1" corner with 4.4 speed in the first round, or we could just put that guy on the field now and see if he can improve our defense.

I will say this about the defense. We gave up 30 points, but we hung in there for most of the game and gave us a chance to win. We just need more talent. Alex Singleton should be your worst player on defense, not one of your better ones. I think Hurts will solve our biggest problem on offense. The draft next year should be focused solely on the defense.

 

Good to see we are second in dropped passes. We’ve been living on top of the list for a few seasons now. At least we are dominating in some area.

Tough to say on the long receiver routes when our Oline is struggling and we are going against arguably the best defense. Doesn’t seem like a great idea.

https://twitter.com/PFF_Eric/status/1335968487047573507?s=20

51 minutes ago, cunninghamtheman said:

Tough to say on the long receiver routes when our Oline is struggling and we are going against arguably the best defense. Doesn’t seem like a great idea.

It does two things. The first is that it opens things up underneath for Goedert and the slot receiver. Last year we said the biggest problem was the lack of speed on offense, and that was true. This year we have speed in Reagor, Fulgham and Hightower, but play Ertz and Jeffery instead. So it makes no sense to me. And Reagor and Hightower don't need a lot of time to get open deep. If they get a free release against single coverage they are gone. So the line doesn't have to protect any better than it already is. The deep pass to Reagor was thrown in less than 3 seconds.

The second thing it does is open up running lanes for Hurts if he escapes the pressure. Having five receivers run short routes keeps everyone near the LOS. If you have receivers going deep. it forces the corners and safeties to get deep, giving you more open space. GB got burnt deep twice because they were keeping players near the LOS to stop Hurts from running. That allowed guys to get behind the defense.

If we refuse to play our faster guys or refuse to send them on deep routes, we aren't protecting the oline and the qb, we are making things a lot tougher on them.