18 hours ago, UK_EaglesFan89 said:

A Wentz trade doesn't come with a $55-60M hit though. 

Hey I just watched the New Sixers President trade away Al Horford 80 million dollar contract once thought of as immovable. Is Howie the right person to continue to lead a retooling effort?

14 hours ago, jsb235 said:

Anyone have the moneyline parley of NYGiants and WFT?

Incredible that they both won. Maybe the NFC East isn't that bad after all. 

What's really pathetic is that ALL the coaches in the NFCEast are rookies EXCEPT...." Wait for it....Peedy .... yet our team play sucks. The NFC east was 0 in 17 against teams with a winning record, until the G men ran over Seagals pathetic D. Washington beat the undefeated Steelers ....hahahaha. BUT....Our coaches are smarter than everyone else..? so let's pass, pass, pass, with a leaky, OL, and Sanders our best weapon is averaging 11 carries a game , riding the bench.... Why... 11 run attempts a game....BS ....Why is Peedy doing that to Sanders our best weapon ? 

14 hours ago, hputenis said:

I'd argue that he was thrown into a pretty favorable situation.  The game was already seemingly lost, and the Packers went into prevent for the most part on that first drive.  They have no film on Hurts, and their whole game plan was focused on stopping Wentz.  They seemed to clamp down after that punt return.  

Once teams prepare for Hurts for an entire week, and they have film on him in this league, it may get even tougher for someone like him.  

You would be one of the few that would think Hurts was put in a favorable situation....Please...you done lost your mind , what do Defenses do when the've figured out another team weakness.... They PIN their ears back to intimidate and abuse an offense... What do you think coaches are thinking when a ROOKIE like Hurts enters a game....especially the BS way Peedy has used this rookie...They DO NOT become passive.... They attack rookies... I repeat you done lost your mind ...lol...The way Peedy has used Hurts period is straight BS. Pressure forced Peedy to throw Hurts to the wolves his actions are those of a delusional coach. Our coach has left the building... Seagals were touted as the WORST D in the league Wentz managed three points against that D.for three quarters then Hurts was thrown in for a token rep. The running game with Sanders worked for a short period...then Peedy went back to 72%pass, pass, and Sanders disappeared in this Offense...our best weapon has averaged 11 carries a game.... See how the Giants beat the Seagals run run run and run some more.That pass pass strategy is a strategy for failure....hmmmmmm.... What is really going on.? 

4 hours ago, cunninghamtheman said:

The other main factor for the O is these young guys haven’t been lining up and running the expected route. Been wrong lining up at the line of scrimmage. Wrong routes run. A huge one is cutting off your route on the hot read. We’ve needed that part sooo much. QB needs to get the ball out of his hands quick but the receivers aren’t on that same page.

The OLin place have been there for at least Three Seasons... we have a player like Mailata who never played football...touted through his tenure here as NOT being ready to play ... Yet  PFF had him rated as the top lineman WK 13 with No pressures, or sacks. The other guys have played football all their lives....at least longer than Mialata... Stout has annually been touted as one of the best O L coaches. IN the game... Yet the Standard argument is the OL is at fault, the rookies are not ready for prime time after two to three years in this scheme...WHY.?

An undisciplined QB will make any OL look worse than it is Wentz holding the ball too long, becoming the most sacked QB in the game. Wentz is worse statistically than All rookies starting in the league... Predictable, Unimaginative Play calling also sets up the OL for failure Defenses are teeing off on our young linemen. The OL has to improve but neither Wentz or Peedy has made it easier for them. Peedy is calling Pass at a ridiculous rate. Wentz seems to have lost the ability to read a defense that contributes to the problems, Who is responsible beside the players themselves to line up correctly...To me, it starts with Coaching or the lack there of. 

5 hours ago, cunninghamtheman said:

I definitely did but I don’t think many here did. That’s the only reason for such outrage. I was trying to point out how all these contracts were being backloaded and we’d have to pay for them. Seemed like consensus was that everybody wasn’t worried about the money and that Rosie would just work more of his magic. This team has been on a downhill trajectory since the SB victory. Been obvious to me. NOW obvious to many. Missing arguably our two best players(Brooks and Johnson) before the season even started was a really tough blow that has been our biggest issue.(Dillard was insult on to injury).

Not really about money, it's about money with NO results. We got Wentz and this was the year we would "put it all together". But, of course due to more MASSIVE injury losses, never happened. If you want a top; team,ya gotta pay a few people lol. If we were 11-2 right now,would you be complaining about the money?

5 hours ago, cunninghamtheman said:

The Oline completely fell apart. Isn’t that where everything starts? That makes these results even more expected. So why is everybody upset?

Why are we upset? Do I really need to run through this?

5 hours ago, cunninghamtheman said:

The other main factor for the O is these young guys haven’t been lining up and running the expected route. Been wrong lining up at the line of scrimmage. Wrong routes run. A huge one is cutting off your route on the hot read. We’ve needed that part sooo much. QB needs to get the ball out of his hands quick but the receivers aren’t on that same page.

OK you answered my question lol. Let's also toss out Wentz's inaccuracy, failure to run the ball, failure to get Sanders/Scott into the passing game, drops by people we were supposed to trust, keeping your best WR on the bench because you are paying someone else, poor clock management and 4th down decisions. The list goes on

2 hours ago, jsb235 said:

Some thoughts after watching the all 22.

Hurts is definitely the right qb for us right now. He can break containment, so he's going to pick up a lot of yards running that are currently sacks right now with Wentz. His decisions are solid. He put the ball where our guys could make plays. He missed a few throws, but there's room to grow.

His long throw to Reagor was really impressive, not just because it was a nice throw, but because he actually threw it. Green Bay was giving us that route all game long. The played press with no deep safety help on our outside receivers. We have to make teams pay when they do that, and we haven't all season.

Herbig is really good. For one, he's huge. He literally makes Driscoll and Kelce look like midgets. Dlinemen can't move him. I didn't see one bad rep from him in pass protection. A line of Mailata-Herbig-Seumalo-Brooks-Johnson could be absolutely dominant next year.

Hightower needs to be back on the field. With Hurts able to hit deep passes, his speed on the outside is essential. Put him at the Z and switch Reagor and Fulgham between the X and slot. Bring Ward in on third down and near the goal line. Jeffery shouldn't be on the field.

If we want this offense to work, we have to force defenses to respect the deep pass. That will open up running lanes for the read option and for Hurts when he scrambles. Green Bay was able to contain him because Jeffery, Ertz and Ward were running 6 yard routes over and over again, so all the defenders were near the LOS. Having Hightower, Fulgham and Reagor on the field will open things up.

On defense, Jacquet is one heck of a tackler. He got lost in coverage a few times, but he certainly wasn't worse than Maddox. There's no reason to keep him on the bench. Next year we might draft a 200 pound, 6'1" corner with 4.4 speed in the first round, or we could just put that guy on the field now and see if he can improve our defense.

I will say this about the defense. We gave up 30 points, but we hung in there for most of the game and gave us a chance to win. We just need more talent. Alex Singleton should be your worst player on defense, not one of your better ones. I think Hurts will solve our biggest problem on offense. The draft next year should be focused solely on the defense.

 

Nice analysis. We should go D most of the way, however, we could use a nice SOLID young RB and maybe add a WR. Devonta Smith(Bama) is a stud, like him better than Chase if you're taking a top WR and I can't rule that out. With him and Reagor we could kill it outside, and that could also set up many different looks we could give moving guys around since almost all of them can play wherever you want them too Keep Fulgham, Ward and Hightower around to spell the others,or show looks defenses have not seen 500 times. I really want a 4th pick and grab that RB there. If the plan is to trade Wentz, then there is a late QB I like in Zac Thomas. He would be a nice WIP. So, I think we still need to work on the O side and also add some solid O line BU's(maybe 2 round 6's) SO in 1 I'm looking at DL, WR,LB,CB and getting that 4th pick would mean getting all of those in any order. Of course that could all fly away if we trade Wentz, but if Hurts can show mus what we need, I would still trade Wentz for another 1 and 4 pick. I imagine some later round teams could view Wentz as worth enough to give a low 1 for. If we had 2- 1's, that would suit me just fine. of course Hurts needs to play well

I mean we could keep our 1(4-5) Offer Wentz to say TB or Indy for their 1 and maybe a 4th (IDK his value  just guessing). We would have 1,1,2,3,4 where we can basically what we need with Hurts as the QB, young WR's, a solid RB. I can dream lol

4 hours ago, Trini said:

 

You would be one of the few that would think Hurts was put in a favorable situation....Please...you done lost your mind , what do Defenses do when the've figured out another team weakness.... They PIN their ears back to intimidate and abuse an offense... What do you think coaches are thinking when a ROOKIE like Hurts enters a game....especially the BS way Peedy has used this rookie...They DO NOT become passive.... They attack rookies... I repeat you done lost your mind ...lol...The way Peedy has used Hurts period is straight BS. Pressure forced Peedy to throw Hurts to the wolves his actions are those of a delusional coach. Our coach has left the building... Seagals were touted as the WORST D in the league Wentz managed three points against that D.for three quarters then Hurts was thrown in for a token rep. The running game with Sanders worked for a short period...then Peedy went back to 72%pass, pass, and Sanders disappeared in this Offense...our best weapon has averaged 11 carries a game.... See how the Giants beat the Seagals run run run and run some more.That pass pass strategy is a strategy for failure....hmmmmmm.... What is really going on.? 

 

Cool story.  Let me know when you actually read my post and reasons why I think that might have been a favorable situation.  Even if they did "attack" Hurts as you say, they are up 3 scores and haven't been practicing for that scenario at all.  I don't care of he's a rookie or not.  He's quick, and he flustered them a little because they were not prepared for it at all.  

I agree with everything you said starting with "Our coach has left the building."  Spot on.  

3 hours ago, GreenbleedinNC said:

Not really about money, it's about money with NO results. We got Wentz and this was the year we would "put it all together". But, of course due to more MASSIVE injury losses, never happened. If you want a top; team,ya gotta pay a few people lol. If we were 11-2 right now,would you be complaining about the money?

I’m talking about paying them in 2020 and 2021 for play in 2018. That’s the big difference. Gotta pay some people....but when you backload the contracts so heavily this is what you get.

3 hours ago, GreenbleedinNC said:

Why are we upset? Do I really need to run through this?

I’m sorry you thought this was a contending team. I was telling you I didn’t believe it was and why well before this season started.

Have to look back at the criticisms surrounding Wentz. Just doesn’t seem he is the leader. Guys don’t believe in him and play for him. The whole team seems to up their game every time he comes out.

Carson doesn’t appear very coachable either

35 minutes ago, cunninghamtheman said:

I’m sorry you thought this was a contending team. I was telling you I didn’t believe it was and why well before this season started.

We will never know lol. Too many injuries to count. Not just me, there was a consensus that we would be in the top 10, you know, before we had to start "team PS"

35 minutes ago, cunninghamtheman said:

every time he comes out

Other than last game ,when did Wentz "come out?" For 2 plays twice a game? That's not a standard to go by. We ran 2 stock,vanilla, predictable plays with Hurts up until we had to actually play him. We now know he can PASS-YAY!!!!!! A QB!!!!! lol

34 minutes ago, cunninghamtheman said:

Carson doesn’t appear very coachable either

IDK where he picked up the rook mistake of staring down targets, that will kill you every time (and the receivers also unless you want them all targeted)

48 minutes ago, cunninghamtheman said:

I’m talking about paying them in 2020 and 2021 for play in 2018. That’s the big difference. Gotta pay some people....but when you backload the contracts so heavily this is what you get.

Other teams do this, please. Pretty common practice. So to keep guys on your team, you wouldn't backload contracts?

6 hours ago, Trini said:

Is Howie the right person to continue to lead a retooling effort?

Quite simply... No. 

31 minutes ago, GreenbleedinNC said:

Other than last game ,when did Wentz "come out?" For 2 plays twice a game? That's not a standard to go by. We ran 2 stock,vanilla, predictable plays with Hurts up until we had to actually play him. We now know he can PASS-YAY!!!!!! A QB!!!!! lol

I’m talking about he came out in the second half this past game, came out in 2018 injured for Nick Foles and came out in 2017 for the SUper Finish.

39 minutes ago, GreenbleedinNC said:

We will never know lol. Too many injuries to count. Not just me, there was a consensus that we would be in the top 10, you know, before we had to start "team PS"

That consensus I was fighting the whole time

28 minutes ago, GreenbleedinNC said:

Other teams do this, please. Pretty common practice. So to keep guys on your team, you wouldn't backload contracts?

My views have been well documented on this board for years. Gotta clear the cap at some point. You really need to clear the cap while paying your top players that would be going forward. Then you could set yourself up for a Golden State Warrior type of dominance.

But we are soooooo deep in cap debt there is no easy way out. We have to force Rosie to deal with this hole he put us in. It’s ugly!

You have to sign the right players also. Just no way around that.

A pretty good breakdown of Hurts' throws and runs.

Jalen Hurts vs Packers 2020 - YouTube

One thing I noticed is that the pass protection was fine. And the Packers weren't just sitting back and letting him scan the field. They were bringing pressure and running some exotic games. But the line held up well.

Another thing was that the routes were somewhat repetitive, which is a real problem with this offense. Where's the creativity? Nothing was done scheme-wise to get the receivers open.

Overall, there were some open receivers he missed and some poor throws, but he also made some clutch passes and was victimized by two drops. Keep in mind this is a team that is probably 50-50 to go to the Super Bowl, so it's not like he was out there facing the Jets.

 

 

Hurts did some good things and some bad. About all I can say about it. We got ripped on the Seumalo holding penalty on the big Sanders(I believe it was) run. I’m pretty sure that was while Hurtswas in.

1 hour ago, jsb235 said:

A pretty good breakdown of Hurts' throws and runs.

Jalen Hurts vs Packers 2020 - YouTube

One thing I noticed is that the pass protection was fine. And the Packers weren't just sitting back and letting him scan the field. They were bringing pressure and running some exotic games. But the line held up well.

Another thing was that the routes were somewhat repetitive, which is a real problem with this offense. Where's the creativity? Nothing was done scheme-wise to get the receivers open.

Overall, there were some open receivers he missed and some poor throws, but he also made some clutch passes and was victimized by two drops. Keep in mind this is a team that is probably 50-50 to go to the Super Bowl, so it's not like he was out there facing the Jets.

 

 

Hurts is a rookie,in his first REAL time at being QB and just not some sub package. All rooks have growing pains. Lets not try to make him a top QB after 22 minutes. I agree Ped has lost the edge. He now seems to me to be CHIP 2.0. 

4 hours ago, cunninghamtheman said:

I’m talking about paying them in 2020 and 2021 for play in 2018. That’s the big difference. Gotta pay some people....but when you backload the contracts so heavily this is what you get.

So, how do you keep them on your team while allowing growth in other areas? IDK Brady was backloaded for decades and the Pats did ok I like your crystal ball though,that you knew with certainty every player we paid would drop performance levels from 2018 on. Like I said, if we were 11-2 you wouldn't be saying this

3 hours ago, cunninghamtheman said:

I’m talking about he came out in the second half this past game, came out in 2018 injured for Nick Foles and came out in 2017 for the SUper Finish.

That consensus I was fighting the whole time

I don't recall you saying  "OMG we're gonna suck this year" And WHY would you say that if all our guys never hit the mash tent? We had a pretty nice lineup before we got tagged OVER and OVER with injury. Like you knew in pre season we would have to call up PS players??? Not buying