1 hour ago, Bleedinggreen93 said:

Just out of curiosity does anyone have a new coach in mind if Doug does end getting fired??? Pretty sure it’s safe to say it would be an offense minded coach.

Would think going back to the KC well is well meh.

Lincoln Riley will be heavily rumored for us I’m willing to bet.

honestly not sure there are any really hot names out there to be coach if we fired Doug this year. 

I do think it is likely Lurie (and Howie if still in the picture ... I'd say while that is not ideal it is likely unfortunately) that we would pursue another offensive minded coach as the next HC should we make a change from DP.  But if we were to consider all options, I'd like to give Saleh a look.  He just seems like a good leader and players play hard for him.  Then he could hire a damn good OC and give him full autonomy over that side of the ball.  

45 minutes ago, Bleedinggreen93 said:

I don’t see this happening maybe this season would not shock me if Hurts is bad and we turn back to Wentz but I do think QB will work itself out whether it’s Wentz or Hurts. And we will stick with one guy.

Well IDK, this season is beyond saving, so really pointless as to which guy LOSES. But I suspect we want to get Hurts into more game time situations, see how reacts/ plays and then make a decision in the off season. Which will be along stretch for Wentz if no offers come in

45 minutes ago, Bleedinggreen93 said:

I’d hard pass on Gruden as the HC as OC maybe but not HC 

Why? He was in no name town and started a nice re-build as their HC. Their FO was a mess like ours is, so they made a move they though was right. Jax is ok with a QB that's possibly worse than ours lol. So like I said I would at least take a look. How much worse can it get?

9 minutes ago, time2rock said:

I do think it is likely Lurie (and Howie if still in the picture ... I'd say while that is not ideal it is likely unfortunately) that we would pursue another offensive minded coach as the next HC should we make a change from DP.  But if we were to consider all options, I'd like to give Saleh a look.  He just seems like a good leader and players play hard for him.  Then he could hire a damn good OC and give him full autonomy over that side of the ball.  

Saleh would be good with me

Think our main issue is lack of adding adequate BU's. PS are PS players for a reason,when you have to call up a boatload, thats a draft/development fail. When you have to keep moving people around, there is no way that guy can learn his position. What you learned this week won't apply next week when they move you someplace else. That is a recipe for disaster(and it shows)

17 minutes ago, GreenbleedinNC said:

Why? He was in no name town and started a nice re-build as their HC. Their FO was a mess like ours is, so they made a move they though was right. Jax is ok with a QB that's possibly worse than ours lol. So like I said I would at least take a look. How much worse can it get?

That team was trending backwards with gruden at the helm... plus quit on the team and honestly never been impressed with his offenses not in Cincy, Washington and now in Jacksonville that just my personal take though 

30 minutes ago, time2rock said:

He just seems like a good leader and players play hard for him.  Then he could hire a damn good OC and give him full autonomy over that side of the ball.  

Not against it haven’t even looked at D coaches because well the trend with Lurie is innovative O coaches probably limits us plenty of D coaches have good Os Vrabel in Tennessee comes to mind instantly then Belicheat has had successful Os over the years etc....AR, Chip Kelly, Doug 

25 minutes ago, Bleedinggreen93 said:

That team was trending backwards with gruden at the helm... plus quit on the team and honestly never been impressed with his offenses not in Cincy, Washington and now in Jacksonville that just my personal take though 

They were trending  backwards because they had a suck FO and "iffy" QB's. Their TE's and defense were not even average when he took over. That isn't the HC's fault, he can only work with what he's given (sounds familiar eh?). So, I never said HIRE him,I said "take a look". I see no down side to that

I also think Doug can still be a good HC but he has to be just that the HC over look the entire team. Let someone else call plays. He will still be part of the game plans he will still have the power to say go for it don’t go for it. Can veto calls and still have a voice on some play calls.

Still a fan of the Chargers offense if we went to get a new OC Lynn or the chargers OC I’d take 

2 minutes ago, GreenbleedinNC said:

They were trending  backwards because they had a suck FO and "iffy" QB's. Their TE's and defense were not even average when he took over. That isn't the HC's fault, he can only work with what he's given (sounds familiar eh?). So, I never said HIRE him,I said "take a look". I see no down side to that

He had Kirk Cousins for few years not a terrible QB by any means, Was meh with Alex Smith another good QB the O wasn’t al that great but guess they found ways to win till he got hurt. 
 

Again not a fan of Gruden as a HC it’s just me if you like him fine. I could be 100% wrong on the guy I’m just not impressed by him 

1 hour ago, Bleedinggreen93 said:

Not against it haven’t even looked at D coaches because well the trend with Lurie is innovative O coaches probably limits us plenty of D coaches have good Os Vrabel in Tennessee comes to mind instantly then Belicheat has had successful Os over the years etc....AR, Chip Kelly, Doug 

The only concern I have with an offensive minded coach as HC is that he will want to call plays (like Doug).  I really want a traditional coaching structure where we have a HC that oversees the entire team and has coordinators that he gives full autonomy to run their respective units.  I mean it would be great to have an extremely innovative and creative offensive mind as a HC that gets involved with play design and game planning (a collaborative effort between HC, OC, and others) but still allows the OC to take the responsibility of play calling come game day.  

5 minutes ago, time2rock said:

The only concern I have with an offensive minded coach as HC is that he will want to call plays (like Doug).

I’m not concerned with that honestly depending who we hire... Doug was an odd case similar to AR when we hired him they never were play callers to start with so of course when they became HCs they wanted there chance to be the play caller...

Can also run the same problem with a D minded coach though calling his own defense

QB	Kyler Murray QB | ARI	@NYG	Sun 1:00pm	8	47	14	3	100%	86%	21.00	28.33	25.05
	RB	Alvin Kamara RB | NO	@PHI	Sun 4:25pm	6	42.5	7	11	100%	99%	14.00	16.58	11.21
	RB	James Robinson RB | JAC	TEN	Sun 1:00pm	8	52.5	2	26	100%	97%	16.00	14.17	12.80
	WR	Robby Anderson WR | CAR	DEN	Sun 1:00pm	13	44.5	29	6	97%	48%	0.00	8.08	8.61
	WR	Mike Evans WR | TB	MIN	Sun 1:00pm	13	52.5	6	30	100%	66%	0.00	10.25	10.82
	WR	Tyreek Hill WR | KC	@MIA	Sun 1:00pm	10	50.5	2	17	100%	100%	8.00	15.92	14.22
	TE	Dallas Goedert TE | PHI	NO	Sun 4:25pm	9	42.5	8	16	84%	48%	6.00	6.88	4.81
	DST	Panthers DST | CAR	DEN	Sun 1:00pm	13	44.5	14	31	36%	26%	0.00	8.50	11.70
	K	Jason Myers K | SEA	NYJ	Sun 4:05pm	6	47.5	5	31	73%	64%	4.00	7.58	8.20

My starters. Opponent  needs a win to make it to the playoffs. Not today HUNNY!!!!! LOL. Ima whoop him into the next zip code

We're gonna beat the Saints with our rookie QB...because,  EVERYONE says we're gonna lose.... If Peedy calls his best game all season and RUN the f..in ball. Will Peedy give Hurts a winning game plan? I want to see Hurts play his best game... I can't believe I'm saying this... I want my Birds to play well, but lose ... ALL the remaining games it about positioning ourselves to get a top pick. I need us to lose...but I think Hurts can shock the Saints and win...I know...I'm Looney Tunes huh...Looney Tunes...🙃🙄🤐

I really feel like today’s game can tell us a ton about this team on O. Get to see how much of the O problems might have been Wentz poor play. Get to see Hurts. Doug play calling and how he altered it for Hurts.

Will be interesting if he actually runs the ball to help Hurts something we all were screaming for him to do for Wentz but never did.

expecting to see the read option and RPOs heavy again honestly.

The one thing that could be good with Hurts is I’d expect him to take off and run more. Plus we probably avoid some sacks get some yards the minus could lead to some missed big plays down field throwing. 

52 minutes ago, Trini said:

We're gonna beat the Saints with our rookie QB...because,  EVERYONE says we're gonna lose.... If Peedy calls his best game all season and RUN the f..in ball. Will Peedy give Hurts a winning game plan? I want to see Hurts play his best game... I can't believe I'm saying this... I want my Birds to play well, but lose ... ALL the remaining games it about positioning ourselves to get a top pick. I need us to lose...but I think Hurts can shock the Saints and win...I know...I'm Looney Tunes huh...Looney Tunes...🙃🙄🤐

I expect Doug to call 50-50 run/pass. More rollouts and quick passes.

Exactly what he refused to do with Wentz.

52 minutes ago, Asg 15 said:

I expect Doug to call 50-50 run/pass. More rollouts and quick passes.

Exactly what he refused to do with Wentz.

There has been talk that Wentz was changing a lot of plays, which may or may not be true. But if so, it's hard to blame the coach if the qb isn't following the script.

But I don't think Hurts will be changing a lot of plays, so we will get an idea of how Doug really is as a play caller.

I don't know if rollouts or checkdowns are going to work because the Saints will be expecting that. He's going to have to challenge them deep, which based on his scouting report shouldn't be a problem as he likes to throw it down field.

The question will be whether or not our line can protect him and whether or not the receivers can make plays.   

57 minutes ago, Asg 15 said:

I expect Doug to call 50-50 run/pass. More rollouts and quick passes.

Exactly what he refused to do with Wentz.

That alone should get Doug fired. He did the same thing with Foles. Why put them in a better position then Wentz with a balanced offense? Its almost like hes trying to set Wentz up to fail. 

4 minutes ago, jsb235 said:

There has been talk that Wentz was changing a lot of plays, which may or may not be true. But if so, it's hard to blame the coach if the qb isn't following the script.

But I don't think Hurts will be changing a lot of plays, so we will get an idea of how Doug really is as a play caller.

I don't know if rollouts or checkdowns are going to work because the Saints will be expecting that. He's going to have to challenge them deep, which based on his scouting report shouldn't be a problem as he likes to throw it down field.

The question will be whether or not our line can protect him and whether or not the receivers can make plays.   

When I see Carson audible at the line it turns out to be a run play. So Carson is changing the pass play to a run. Now have I seen him audible and it be a pass? yes. But most of the time its a run after he audibles. Scary to think its more pass plays Doug is calling. 

Hurts was a run first QB in college. If the Saints are smart they set the edge and collapse the inside pocket forcing hurts to throw within the pocket. We saw the Packers adjust a bit to this after Hurts first drive and we saw the result of some poor throws including a pick. Saints will be more prepared since they knew he was the starter and can go back on some college tape. Im expecting a avg day 50ish completion rating, 70 range QB rating with mid 150 range passing yards, 60+ rushing. 

The case for Gruden. OK who is James Robinson- QUICK!!!! OK I'll tell you. He is an undrafted rookie RB for Jax. So why did I put him on my fantasy team? Becuase he's putting up numbers Sanders isn't lol . Now who dat OC in JAX?

23 hours ago, Bleedinggreen93 said:

I’d hard pass on Gruden as the HC as OC maybe but not HC 

OK fine either one is an improvement, but why would you trade one OC job for another? That wouldn't be cause for me to leave my current spot unless I really hated the people around me

I expect the team will have JJAW active today. I hope he gets snaps over Jeffery as a qb change may benefit him. He is also a really good run blocker.

As far as the new guys, I don't expect Bachie or Smith to get any reps at LB as the Saints will likely be in 11 personnel all day. If Slay can't play the whole game I wouldn't be surprised to see Seymour play, as he has some starting experience. I watched a game from his rookie season against the Raiders, and he was up and down. He had the speed to keep from getting beat deep but was toasted on a double move for a TD, so he won't seem out of place in our secondary.

I will say this about Smith, he looked like the real deal against Ohio State last year. I found some all 22 of the game, and he was solid all game long. They moved him around the defense, and he seemed comfortable in each spot. He is undersized, but seemed to have good instincts and was a willing tackler. Plus he is fast. I wouldn't be surprised to see him compete for a job here next year.