So now I'm looking at Maybe Chase or Smith with our round 1(depending where we pick). Then maybe in 2 a CB like Derion Kendrick and if he is still around in 3 Jabril Cox-LSU LB(although I have my doubts he will be there then as he is moving up boards already). if that's the case it could be revered as LB in 2 CB in 3,the hit a few DL guys later. But that would assume we are happy with out O line devloping

2 minutes ago, Bleedinggreen93 said:

Hurts taking is to a SB on his rookie contract would be great means you can generally pay other positions more can’t do that when you already have what 3rd of your cap tied into a QB.

He beat a SB contending team in his FIRST start WITH the guys we have now(which we don't pay much for) Remember Djax and Alshon will be off the books if we do this right. We were also IN the AZ game WITH the same guys we have now, and in the draft we cab upgrade those

7 minutes ago, GreenbleedinNC said:

SO IMO there is the leverage we have. Tell Wentz "Hurts is starting,you will be the BU". He won't be happy with that, so then you say "well if you want out, then you need to redo your contract to be tradable otherwise we are keeping you here. It's all I got trying to find a way out of this new debacle

Again won’t happen A.teams already calling for Wentz been numerous reports on it to see if he is available. B. If his contract is the issue and Wentz wants out he would offer the trading team the chance to redo his deal. 
 

Him redoing his contract for Philly just hurts his own leverage if he truly wants to get traded your way more willing to hold onto an affordable backup QB especially if your not getting the assets you want.

2 minutes ago, Bleedinggreen93 said:

Again won’t happen A.teams already calling for Wentz been numerous reports on it to see if he is available. B. If his contract is the issue and Wentz wants out he would offer the trading team the chance to redo his deal. 

And again Howie won't eat that dead money-capiche? If the dead money wasn't so bad, I would agree with you

Just now, GreenbleedinNC said:

He beat a SB contending team in his FIRST start WITH the guys we have now(which we don't pay much for) Remember Djax and Alshon will be off the books if we do this right

And we are like 40m over the cap lol. And I agree we beat the Saints but without there starting QB. I’d much rather give Hurts as much as possible to aid him if I make him my starting QB next year and that’s tough with Wentz on the books . 
 

So more cap to pay other positions and more assets to draft more guys would be my plays that me though 

1 minute ago, GreenbleedinNC said:

And again Howie won't eat that dead money-capiche? If the dead money wasn't so bad, I would agree with you

Lmao we eat dead money all the time Murray RB that we traded, Kiko the Lb that we traded, Byron Maxwell plenty of contracts we traded that we are dead money. 

4 minutes ago, Bleedinggreen93 said:

And we are like 40m over the cap lol. And I agree we beat the Saints but without there starting QB. I’d much rather give Hurts as much as possible to aid him if I make him my starting QB next year and that’s tough with Wentz on the books . 
 

So more cap to pay other positions and more assets to draft more guys would be my plays that me though 

We didn't beat the Saints QB, we beat the Saints defense and Hill can arugably put up the same scores as Brees, so that's a wash to me. And BTW we were 1 -2 plays away from taking out AZ

Once again,I would agree with you, but being over that cap,then taking a dead money hit Howie just couldn't do

Even saying we beat the Saints without Brees.We had a total rook with very few snaps vs a guy who has played entire games before, so what he did was still impressive

So, here we are at catch 22. Howie made this debacle but was assuming Wentz would lead us to the SB, then he failed. Hurts was supposed to sit behind Wentz, but Wentz sucked so bad we had no choice. So A) howie screwed up giving Wentz too much and B)he saved us by taking Hurts. So you can hate/love Howie all at once lol. But really it's because of Wentz noone else and I also assume he has the intelligence to understand he's not worth near what we are paying him

1 minute ago, GreenbleedinNC said:

Even saying we beat the Saints without Brees.We had a total rook with very few snaps vs a guy who has played entire games before, so what he did was still impressive

Hill had what 3 starts to his name before us I mean not like the guy was some tested veteran starter... On top of that not having tape and film on a guy can be a huge advantage. I’m completely impressed by Hurts but again are the saints really a SB contender without Brees I’d say no.

1 minute ago, Bleedinggreen93 said:

Hill had what 3 starts to his name before us I mean not like the guy was some tested veteran starter... On top of that not having tape and film on a guy can be a huge advantage. I’m completely impressed by Hurts but again are the saints really a SB contender without Brees I’d say no.

Sean played him on some series in other games, so he has more than 3 games in and that was 3 plus games more than Hurts had

Just now, GreenbleedinNC said:

So, here we are at catch 22. Howie made this debacle but was assuming Wentz would lead us to the SB, then he failed. Hurts was supposed to sit behind Wentz, but Wentz sucked so bad we had no choice. So A) howie screwed up giving Wentz too much and B)he saved us by taking Hurts. So you can hate/love Howie all at once lol. But really it's because of Wentz noone else

I say Howie screwed up drafting Hurts honestly we can say well he saving us now would we be in this situation if we used that 2nd rounder on an asset to aid Wentz... Would Wentz play the same without the added mental stress of another backup QB idk either way Howie put us in that situation. 

Now it’s time to move on trade Wentz free up 35m while eating 34m in dead money get whatever you can for him. And start the process of building around Hurts. Either that or stick it out with Wentz or trade Hurts at high value. Those are the two plays I see 

Just now, GreenbleedinNC said:

Sean played him on some series in other games, so he has more than 3 games in and that was 3 plus games more than Hurts had

Being a gadget QB isn’t starting by that logic so does Hurts 

3 minutes ago, Bleedinggreen93 said:

Hill had what 3 starts to his name before us I mean not like the guy was some tested veteran starter... On top of that not having tape and film on a guy can be a huge advantage. I’m completely impressed by Hurts but again are the saints really a SB contender without Brees I’d say no.

IDK Kamara ran amuk, Brees numbers weren't all that great. And Thomas has been out too with both Brees and Hill

2 minutes ago, Bleedinggreen93 said:

I say Howie screwed up drafting Hurts honestly we can say well he saving us now would we be in this situation if we used that 2nd rounder on an asset to aid Wentz... Would Wentz play the same without the added mental stress of another backup QB idk either way Howie put us in that situation. 

Now it’s time to move on trade Wentz free up 35m while eating 34m in dead money get whatever you can for him. And start the process of building around Hurts. Either that or stick it out with Wentz or trade Hurts at high value. Those are the two plays I see 

Being a gadget QB isn’t starting by that logic so does Hurts 

Hill is not a gadget,he is the heir apparent(just like Hurts is for us) Hill STYLE is different,but he will start when Brees hangs it up

Howie is NOT going to eat 34 million. he just WONT

BTW which "asset" in round 2 would have saved Wentz's career??? Curious

Hurts is winning games and playing  well(so far). Wentz(even without playing) leads the league in sacks and ints. IDK how much worse that can be that there was a round 2 asset that would have prevented that

OK time to go get my fantasy crowns in every league I am in HAHAHAHA  The rooks can stare at their empty trophy cases lol

6 minutes ago, GreenbleedinNC said:

Hill is not a gadget,he is the heir apparent(just like Hurts is for us) Hill STYLE is different,but he will start when Brees hangs it up

Howie is NOT going to eat 34 million. he just WONT

Hill is 30 plus years old and yes he was a gadget QB behind Brees for years...

So we are going to just eat 35m for him to ride the bench that makes more sense lol

1 hour ago, Bleedinggreen93 said:

I say Howie screwed up drafting Hurts honestly we can say well he saving us now would we be in this situation if we used that 2nd rounder on an asset to aid Wentz... Would Wentz play the same without the added mental stress of another backup QB idk either way Howie put us in that situation. 

Now it’s time to move on trade Wentz free up 35m while eating 34m in dead money get whatever you can for him. And start the process of building around Hurts. Either that or stick it out with Wentz or trade Hurts at high value. Those are the two plays I see 

Being a gadget QB isn’t starting by that logic so does Hurts 

LOL yeah Hill played in most games and not 1-2 plays sometimes 1-3 series not the 1 play we gave Hurts. Please

56 minutes ago, Bleedinggreen93 said:

Hill is 30 plus years old and yes he was a gadget QB behind Brees for years...

So we are going to just eat 35m for him to ride the bench that makes more sense lol

So he had more experience than Hurts, you just contradicted your self lol

4 hours ago, Bleedinggreen93 said:

Because your not going to pay a backup QB 34m a year lol. Let’s be real on that one. 

How are you not paying him that? 

3 hours ago, Bleedinggreen93 said:

And your paying him 34-35m cap hit over that span which limits what you can do to build the team around hurts 

This was already the case. Just had Wentz as the starter with Hurts backing up. The money allotted to the QB room doesn’t change.

3 hours ago, Bleedinggreen93 said:

And we are like 40m over the cap lol. And I agree we beat the Saints but without there starting QB. I’d much rather give Hurts as much as possible to aid him if I make him my starting QB next year and that’s tough with Wentz on the books . 
 

So more cap to pay other positions and more assets to draft more guys would be my plays that me though 

Lmao we eat dead money all the time Murray RB that we traded, Kiko the Lb that we traded, Byron Maxwell plenty of contracts we traded that we are dead money. 

I’m sure Wentz thinks that about drafting Hurts.

 
Wher’s No Mas? He loves all the dead money we eat. 

3 hours ago, GreenbleedinNC said:

We didn't beat the Saints QB, we beat the Saints defense and Hill can arugably put up the same scores as Brees, so that's a wash to me. And BTW we were 1 -2 plays away from taking out AZ

Hill isn’t Brees. That’s just fact. 1 or two plays from a tie to take it to OT you mean. Big difference. The Cards are looking like a middling 8-8 team. So I wouldn’t be bragging about only losing by a TD to a middling team like that.

3 hours ago, GreenbleedinNC said:

Hurts is winning games and playing  well(so far). Wentz(even without playing) leads the league in sacks and ints. IDK how much worse that can be that there was a round 2 asset that would have prevented that

I was thinking like a Dobbins at RB. Really could have kept the run in play. Sanders got hurt really effected things.