GBNC, play Sudfield. Who cares at this point? The team sucks. Dont risk anybody you need next year. Besides, i do NOT want the Cowpies to go to the playoffs. Hell let Ward play QB. Haha.

On 12/28/2020 at 8:14 AM, cunninghamtheman said:

It’s like everybody built Hurts and Jacquet up soooo much over very little....not surprising they were brought back to earth.

Does Hurts start the final game?

I think if we keep working with Jacquet, he could be viable. That doesn't stop me from drafting more CB's (even 2). I stated my case for starting Wentz. We have nothing to lose now, and in fact I hope we DO lose, but I would like to see Wentz play well and make those "big boy" decisions and deliver the ball where it should be

https://www.bleedinggreennation.com/2020/12/29/22204309/eagles-news-philadelphia-must-lose-washington-football-team-nfl-week-17-cowboys-nfc-playoff-picture  read this AFTER I posted lol

35 minutes ago, Senhorcook said:

GBNC, play Sudfield. Who cares at this point? The team sucks. Dont risk anybody you need next year. Besides, i do NOT want the Cowpies to go to the playoffs. Hell let Ward play QB. Haha.

Suds could have played some all through the year. I'm sorry we didn't get to see him. Not that he would add to the controversy, but really the guy has been here for eons and deserves some garbage time snaps(and let's face it we had PLENTY of garbage time). I haven't seen enough for him to tell me where he is, so starting him wouldn't bother me much. Is he a viable #2 now?? If so, that could change the dynamic, but they don;t play him enough for us to know

36 minutes ago, Senhorcook said:

GBNC, play Sudfield. Who cares at this point? The team sucks. Dont risk anybody you need next year. Besides, i do NOT want the Cowpies to go to the playoffs. Hell let Ward play QB. Haha.

I know, this is really hard for me. I want the best draft spot,so in essence I would have to root for the team I hate, and my lowly plucked pigeons put me in this position. Thanks so much-----GRRRRR

2021 Draft Spot Probabilities

TEAM	TOP PICK (%)	TOP THREE (%)	TOP FIVE (%)	TOP TEN (%)
Jaguars	100.0	100.0	100.0	100.0
Jets	0.0	100.0	100.0	100.0
Texans	0.0	71.0	73.4	100.0
Falcons	0.0	20.6	71.7	100.0
Bengals	0.0	6.5	77.6	100.0
Eagles	0.0	1.3	37.8	100.0

SO, according to the above chart, we are now at 6 but could move into 4th depending on who wins or loses. It would be nice to pick 4th and there I would even consider a slight trade back to 6th to grab an additional pick. We need 15 picks in 3 rounds this year LOL

https://www.spotrac.com/nfl/cap/2021/      31st worst and with a top salary QB that can't play-jebus

11 hours ago, GreenbleedinNC said:

I think DT Twyman could be on that list, and someone I would consider. Not a rusher per se (but he does ok) rather an "up the middle" run stuffer. Paye could move up into to this list as well. I think the combine will have much more focus than usual

We aren’t drafting a run stuffer in the first six picks of the draft. That I’ll guarantee.

6 minutes ago, cunninghamtheman said:

We aren’t drafting a run stuffer in the first six picks of the draft. That I’ll guarantee.

I'd certainly hope not. In the top 10 we can get a real difference maker, a real impact player and that's what we should be looking to do.

8 hours ago, GreenbleedinNC said:

And so, it's the final game of this dismal season. My question to all is, do you start Wentz? Hurts came down to earth, so starting Wentz may salvage his pride and push him to win the job back and correct all those mistakes he was making. OR do you throw in the towel, pay Wentz starting pay to ride pine? In either case,for me the S&D team needs to be shown the door because we need to keep players playing, not be sideline sweethearts. If it's me, I take a shot with Wentz again. perhaps these last few games lit a fire in his jock.If I am Ped, he would need to IMPRESS me to no end. You're the coach, what's your call??? I am starting Wentz, if he needs replaced AGAIN, then so be it, but I would give him the chance to regain some mojo. But we have to know NOW what the FUTURE is.I need to know BEFORE off season and the draft. If I am Lurie I need to know THIS WEEK. As of now, we are so bad, we have nothing to lose

I don’t see much of a point in this. It would appear Wentz needs to regroup. He needs to be thinking about it this whole offseason. I want him with that bitter taste this offseason. He needs to find that hunger to improve. He needs some quality training. He needs the right QB whisperer/trainer to really work hard with to get things fixed. 

I’m not sure where the blame Pedey crowd is coming from. He could stick to the run more. I can agree with that. I wanted him to move the pocket out more. That’s really about all the complaints I have. All the film study and All 22 film shows guys that are open and neither QB hitting them with a pass.

  So I guess this goes with  Reagor also. He’s open but they don’t throw it...or miss with bad accuracy. He has made obvious mistakes this season. That I’ll admit. So maybe he should have run the route slightly different and didn’t have the chemistry with our QB(s). From what I’ve seen he could have been over 100 yards receiving in most games he played. He’s a good player.

9 minutes ago, cunninghamtheman said:

I’m not sure where the blame Pedey crowd is coming from. He could stick to the run more. I can agree with that. I wanted him to move the pocket out more. That’s really about all the complaints I have. All the film study and All 22 film shows guys that are open and neither QB hitting them with a pass.

I'm not completely Doug out but if he were to be fired I wouldn't be devastated. I think the other thing that's on him is ill discipline. This team seems so unprepared each week and the discipline has been pretty shocking. 

1 hour ago, cunninghamtheman said:

I’m not sure where the blame Pedey crowd is coming from. He could stick to the run more. I can agree with that. I wanted him to move the pocket out more. That’s really about all the complaints I have. All the film study and All 22 film shows guys that are open and neither QB hitting them with a pass.

  So I guess this goes with  Reagor also. He’s open but they don’t throw it...or miss with bad accuracy. He has made obvious mistakes this season. That I’ll admit. So maybe he should have run the route slightly different and didn’t have the chemistry with our QB(s). From what I’ve seen he could have been over 100 yards receiving in most games he played. He’s a good player.

  Ham, Doug has done nothing in game adjustments. He did not think on his feet. Not sticking to the running game is a big issue. Not calling plays designed for a wentz roll out is a big issue. Especially when the last two went for 70 yards in one game! He never came back to it. Going for a 4th and 6 or 8 is dumb when a FG is easily made.

   I will give Doug another year, but he is by no means doing a good job. Get him a solid OC and QB coach and see what happens.

10 hours ago, Senhorcook said:

Trini, you and I usually agree and we do on most of your response to my post. I rewatched the game and stick with my assessment on Hurts. After the first series and ONE PLAY, Hurts played poorly. The coaches actually DID stay with the run for two more series with 3 plays and a punt even on one of them. Yes, they should have stuck with it a bit more later, but the defense sucked so bad it probably didn't matter anyway by then. Hurts missed wide open receivers and worse....held onto the ball, ran out of bounds on 3rd downs when he had open receivers right in front of his face. That is poor QB play.  Don't get me wrong. He provided a spark for the offense those first two games AND for one series and one play he looked phenomenal. Doug can’t force Hurts to throw a ball to the guy he should nor can Doug throw it accurately for him. 
I don’t know what the answer is but my hope is that they bring both back...UNLESS somebody offers a 1st round pick for Hurts. Trading Wentz now would be STUPID and awful! You gain little to NOTHING for him AND pay his enormous salary no matter what. I rather him be the backup than paying a guy that much money that is gone. I still believe he is better than Hurts.....IF AND ONLY IF....he resets and can play within the system. I would dump the coach before i would dump Wentz. I like Doug. I dont love his playcalling and worse the offense has very little innovation or change week over week. I get it...you have a playbook and you do what you do....but I would like to see some variations each week on those and I just dont.

I wouldnt miss Schwartz either, but maybe be careful what you ask for. Lure McVay away from the Rams....I know...just dreaming. I really like his adjustments week to week. 

  so I heard on the radio this AM some interesting stats. For the first 52 ganes Wentz is 8th all time for most TD passes. He had 90 with only 35 INT's which was lower than any of the other 7 ahead of him. Manning had 92 TD passes and over 50 INT's. Some QB’s who had less TD passes: Rodgers, Brees, Montana, Brady and Farve

 

   Also first 3 seasons for Red zone he is 2nd all time. 30 Td passes to 1 INT. Trading Wentz for a 3rd or 4th round pick is a knee-jerk reaction that would kill this team. I say trade Hurts for a 1-2 rounder and get either a WR or a Center that can play guard with that pick.
You cannot keep 2 possible starting QB's for the off season. Someone told me that this would be an issue and gave me a valid reason. What do the WR's do? Normally they go work out with the QB to get in sync. So you want them to choose who to go work out with? Think about this for a second. Talk about division for a team. What does this do?

15 minutes ago, stine said:

  so I heard on the radio this AM some interesting stats. For the first 52 ganes Wentz is 8th all time for most TD passes. He had 90 with only 35 INT's which was lower than any of the other 7 ahead of him. Manning had 92 TD passes and over 50 INT's. Some QB’s who had less TD passes: Rodgers, Brees, Montana, Brady and Farve

 

   Also first 3 seasons for Red zone he is 2nd all time. 30 Td passes to 1 INT. Trading Wentz for a 3rd or 4th round pick is a knee-jerk reaction that would kill this team. I say trade Hurts for a 1-2 rounder and get either a WR or a Center that can play guard with that pick.
You cannot keep 2 possible starting QB's for the off season. Someone told me that this would be an issue and gave me a valid reason. What do the WR's do? Normally they go work out with the QB to get in sync. So you want them to choose who to go work out with? Think about this for a second. Talk about division for a team. What does this do?

I'm gonna repeat this until somepne proves me wrong.

The reason they drafted Hurts when they had so many other needs is because they knew something had changed with Wentz (concussion?)

1 hour ago, cunninghamtheman said:

I’m not sure where the blame Pedey crowd is coming from. He could stick to the run more. I can agree with that. I wanted him to move the pocket out more. That’s really about all the complaints I have. All the film study and All 22 film shows guys that are open and neither QB hitting them with a pass.

  So I guess this goes with  Reagor also. He’s open but they don’t throw it...or miss with bad accuracy. He has made obvious mistakes this season. That I’ll admit. So maybe he should have run the route slightly different and didn’t have the chemistry with our QB(s). From what I’ve seen he could have been over 100 yards receiving in most games he played. He’s a good player.

I disagree. Put the play calling aside.  Pre snap penalites for just one example. The team became undisciplined. That's all on the coaches and just like any organization the guy at the top gets the credit when they do good and the blame when they do bad.

I could list more examples but i'm a piss poor typist so it would take all morning.

8 minutes ago, Asg 15 said:

I'm gonna repeat this until somepne proves me wrong.

The reason they drafted Hurts when they had so many other needs is because they knew something had changed with Wentz (concussion?)

  That is conjecture. No one will know for sure for a couple years. I have heard nothing to lead me to believe they were concerned with Wentz's Concussion. Also, he had none this season. People who have one are more susceptible to getting another. Wentz not getting one this year negates that issue.

Just now, stine said:

  That is conjecture. No one will know for sure for a couple years. I have heard nothing to lead me to believe they were concerned with Wentz's Concussion. Also, he had none this season. People who have one are more susceptible to getting another. Wentz not getting one this year negates that issue.

Sure it's conjecture i'll admit but explain why a QB goes from being really good to really bad overnight.

My daughter is a therapist who does quite a bit of work with brain unjury patients. She told me that people react to concussions very differently. Just because you exibit no after effects from one doesn't mean you won't from subsequent ones.

51 minutes ago, stine said:

  Ham, Doug has done nothing in game adjustments. He did not think on his feet. Not sticking to the running game is a big issue. Not calling plays designed for a wentz roll out is a big issue. Especially when the last two went for 70 yards in one game! He never came back to it. Going for a 4th and 6 or 8 is dumb when a FG is easily made.

   I will give Doug another year, but he is by no means doing a good job. Get him a solid OC and QB coach and see what happens.

It’s like with McDermott. Guy is a great coach. But we had to run him out of town as our DC because it had to happen immediately. Groh is a good coach. We couldn’t let him grow into the OC job. Now Press is the Passing Game Coordinator. I’d call him the de facto up and coming OC. Guy doesn’t have much experience though. Got to let him work through some things before he becomes an elite coach. Of coarse at that time he moves on and gets his own team.

25 minutes ago, Asg 15 said:

I disagree. Put the play calling aside.  Pre snap penalites for just one example. The team became undisciplined. That's all on the coaches and just like any organization the guy at the top gets the credit when they do good and the blame when they do bad.

I could list more examples but i'm a piss poor typist so it would take all morning.

So all these false starts on Oline guys would fall on Stoutland? Do you really think Stout isn’t a great Oline coach? I just don’t see it that way. These young receivers didn’t line up correctly at times. Is that on the WR coach? The HC? Or the players and youth?

34 minutes ago, Asg 15 said:

I'm gonna repeat this until somepne proves me wrong.

The reason they drafted Hurts when they had so many other needs is because they knew something had changed with Wentz (concussion?)

They talked about becoming a QB factory before the concussion happened. Drafted a QB last year also. So there you go...proven wrong.

5 minutes ago, cunninghamtheman said:

It’s like with McDermott. Guy is a great coach. But we had to run him out of town as our DC because it had to happen immediately. Groh is a good coach. We couldn’t let him grow into the OC job. Now Press is the Passing Game Coordinator. I’d call him the de facto up and coming OC. Guy doesn’t have much experience though. Got to let him work through some things before he becomes an elite coach. Of coarse at that time he moves on and gets his own team.

McDermott just wasn't ready to be a DC and besides he was following a Philly legend. It's unlikely that anyone could have succeeded under those conditions

1 minute ago, cunninghamtheman said:

They talked about becoming a QB factory before the concussion happened. Drafted a QB last year also. So there you go...proven wrong.

Nice try but i'm more stubborn than that.🙂

20 minutes ago, Asg 15 said:

Sure it's conjecture i'll admit but explain why a QB goes from being really good to really bad overnight.

My daughter is a therapist who does quite a bit of work with brain unjury patients. She told me that people react to concussions very differently. Just because you exibit no after effects from one doesn't mean you won't from subsequent ones.

Getting sacked over 50 times. No Pre Season to work with all his new WR's. Ertz injury- His best Receiver the last 3 years. Head Coach not Helping him out with Play calling. He has also not helped his cause. Footwork was not good. Held onto the ball too long. Staring down his WR's. But this is not ALL on Wentz. I did not see one coach in his ear all season, yet there is someone talking to Hurts all game long.

   Could the concussion have something to do with his play? Sure, but no further damage may actually help his cause next season, no?