Going through some mocks and ran across a familiar name - Asante Samuel Jr! Didn't watch much college ball this yr. don't know how good he is, some say poss 2nd rd to us. Know we need WR and DB, believe good CB's are harder to find

3 hours ago, stine said:

  I am not sold that a CB is worth taking that high. Surtain is solid but he would have issues covering a speedster like Hill. I would think if you were drafting a CB that high, he should be able to handle any NFL WR. Just my opinion which is not worth allot now a days

Yeah I initially had Farley, he's super fast, but Surtain is more complete. We can now go with (another) QB or I would really love to have Smith. I have laid out all my scenarios

2 hours ago, UK_EaglesFan89 said:

I tell you a trade that could, could, happen... Wentz + #6 for #2. Hell maybe even add Ertz.

That's insane desperation lol

2 hours ago, DeathByEagle said:

So draft a QB that will put u back another 3-4 years? Dude is going to be a bust like every other Ohio State QB in the NFL. Maybe he can play WR after he doesnt work out as a QB. 

Yes, let's label everyone before we really know anything, because we know great schools recruit the same suck players every year lol. Maybe we should draft the other loser,whiny,diva QB from North Dakota St. because you know they are ALL that way

2 hours ago, DeathByEagle said:

I would have fired Doug, bring in a real HC that can create a productive offense and give Wentz a year with that real OC. 

At #6 Im taking the best player avail which could be WR Smith or CB Surtain. If Sewell slips past #3, could try and move up to get that type of talent. After Lawerance there is no first round QBs on my board. So unless they are going to go get the top dog, QB is not even a consideration. Only 2 players I would trade up for would be Lawerance or Sewell. No one else is worth it.

IDK dude, a "real OC" would have stopped the picks and sacks and missing wide open receivers? After 5 years, shouldn't he know that by now? No OC is going to play the game for him. If you took Sewell, what are you doing with Mailata and Dillard? BTW Miami will take him and if they pass they are dumber than dirt

4 hours ago, stine said:

  I am not sold that a CB is worth taking that high. Surtain is solid but he would have issues covering a speedster like Hill. I would think if you were drafting a CB that high, he should be able to handle any NFL WR. Just my opinion which is not worth allot now a days

I wanted Parsons .That was my very first mock. Now I am seeing some other guys coming on that we could get later, so once again I am leaning more towards offense. SOOOO many GOOD things will happen if we can simply secure an O line. I would be cool with either QB/WR combo because that gives you instant chemistry (if we can get a 1 for Wentz). Smith/Jones or Fields/Olave gets you that instant chemistry. We need to think about Kelce retiring also. A late CB I like is Newsome from Northwestern

2 hours ago, UK_EaglesFan89 said:

I am suggesting that. We have a QB problem so if the Eagles like that loser that much they should get him. 

How does a "loser" go the national title game? He already beat Lawrence this years draft darling lol. SO Fields is automatically Haskins? I love how people just do labels use a super wide brushes to paint all the players. Just like "we don;t take LB's" Doesn't mean the ones we pass up don't play well. People also say "Mac Jones doesn't have an arm". IDK I see him hitting Smith/Waddle deep all day long  Maybe I am watching a different game?

1 hour ago, mjkline1958 said:

Going through some mocks and ran across a familiar name - Asante Samuel Jr! Didn't watch much college ball this yr. don't know how good he is, some say poss 2nd rd to us. Know we need WR and DB, believe good CB's are harder to find

I’m hoping for Chase in the 1st (especially if we can trade down a few picks and add an extra 2nd or 3rd) and then Samuel Jr. in the 2nd.

3 hours ago, time2rock said:

I’m hoping for Chase in the 1st (especially if we can trade down a few picks and add an extra 2nd or 3rd) and then Samuel Jr. in the 2nd.

I'll take Devonta over Chase. Fairly difficult for a WR to win the Heisman

9 hours ago, time2rock said:

Good god no man.  We need to add as many young talented prospects to this team as possible, preferably from the higher rounds.  Use pick 6 to hopefully add an elite player then should we trade both Wentz and Ertz, use those picks to add 2 more players.  Using all 3 on a single player is ridiculous.  

But if they think that say Fields can be an absolute stud? I mean they don't have an answer at QB right now so that's something that needs to be addressed too. I agree though it's a very tough decision.

9 hours ago, DeathByEagle said:

I would have fired Doug, bring in a real HC that can create a productive offense and give Wentz a year with that real OC. 

At #6 Im taking the best player avail which could be WR Smith or CB Surtain. If Sewell slips past #3, could try and move up to get that type of talent. After Lawerance there is no first round QBs on my board. So unless they are going to go get the top dog, QB is not even a consideration. Only 2 players I would trade up for would be Lawerance or Sewell. No one else is worth it.

Ok fair enough. I mean I like the it's of taking Smith or Sewell (I'm not sure on Surtain). But keeping Wentz? Trying to fix Wentz? No I just don't think that would be a good way for this franchise to go. I think it's done, I think it's over with Wentz. 

19 minutes ago, UK_EaglesFan89 said:

But if they think that say Fields can be an absolute stud? I mean they don't have an answer at QB right now so that's something that needs to be addressed too. I agree though it's a very tough decision.

Ok fair enough. I mean I like the it's of taking Smith or Sewell (I'm not sure on Surtain). But keeping Wentz? Trying to fix Wentz? No I just don't think that would be a good way for this franchise to go. I think it's done, I think it's over with Wentz. 

Question is; would you rather have them stocking the roster with multiple talented players and roll with Hurts/Wentz or push the reset button by taking another QB?

If you’d ask me, the answer is easy! The former! Get all the young talent you can get your hands on and roll with Hurts if you trade Wentz. 

When we took Wentz, it was the other way around. We thought we had our franchise QB and tried to build around him.

Let’s do it the other way now! Infuse this roster with talent at every level and see what Hurts can do. If he’s not the answer, we will revisit the idea of taking/trading up for a QB next year.

If we do take a QB in ‘22 or ‘23, that kid will come into a healthy enviroment and will be surrounded by young talent on both offense and defense.

7 hours ago, GreenbleedinNC said:

That's insane desperation lol

Why is it insane desperation?

6 hours ago, GreenbleedinNC said:

How does a "loser" go the national title game?

Dude you don't have to convince me or have that argument with me. I don't think Fields is a loser at all. I was being facetious. 

7 minutes ago, Ray75 said:

If you’d ask me, the answer is easy! The former! Get all the young talent you can get your hands on and roll with Hurts if you trade Wentz. 

I mean the advantage they have is they have 3 more years with Hurts on a rookie contract. That means they can rebuild the roster and do so with a QB on his rookie deal. 

That said, it's still Howie as GM so I have zero faith in him rebuilding this roster. And if they absolutely love Fields then they should go get him. How often are they going to be this high in the draft? I mean maybe again next year but how does next year's class compare with say Fields? (I don't know the answer to that by the way)

16 minutes ago, UK_EaglesFan89 said:

I mean the advantage they have is they have 3 more years with Hurts on a rookie contract. That means they can rebuild the roster and do so with a QB on his rookie deal. 

That said, it's still Howie as GM so I have zero faith in him rebuilding this roster. And if they absolutely love Fields then they should go get him. How often are they going to be this high in the draft? I mean maybe again next year but how does next year's class compare with say Fields? (I don't know the answer to that by the way)

You hit the nail right on the head.

Bare with me; why deliberately lose the WFT game for 3 slots?! To get in position to take the No.1 or 2 receiver in a loaded class? To get in position to get an elite edge while there isn’t one in this class? A top OT? A corner you can grab at 9 too?

9 out of 10 you tank because you want to get in position to grab a potential franchise QB.

Scary thought isn’t it?

 

1 minute ago, Ray75 said:

Scary thought isn’t it?

To be honest I think all scenarios are pretty scary. That's just where this team is at to be honest. 

They thought they'd found the answer at QB with Wentz. They gave him a mega contract and then he has the year he's just had. To be honest keeping him is just as scary because if he doesn't turn it around (and with Doug and Howie coming back plus perhaps Press I'm not sure he's going to) then we are stuck with him and the cap ramifications could be worse next year. 

But trading up to go get a QB? Who could also bust? When this roster needs so so much? That's scary too. 

27 minutes ago, UK_EaglesFan89 said:

To be honest I think all scenarios are pretty scary. That's just where this team is at to be honest. 

They thought they'd found the answer at QB with Wentz. They gave him a mega contract and then he has the year he's just had. To be honest keeping him is just as scary because if he doesn't turn it around (and with Doug and Howie coming back plus perhaps Press I'm not sure he's going to) then we are stuck with him and the cap ramifications could be worse next year. 

But trading up to go get a QB? Who could also bust? When this roster needs so so much? That's scary too. 

Given it a lot of thought lately. I believe the relationship is indeed broken beyond repair. 

Think about it! Let’s assume you have a new job. They believe in you when they hire you. The job is tough. You know you’re not performing at the level the job requires you to do. They feel the same way and demote you. You start questioning yourself. Did I do enough? Is the job too hard for me? Is this organisation a good fit for me? Maybe it’s time to look for another job?

Some will break and want a fresh start elsewhere, others will do everything to prove themselves and their employer wrong.

I don’t know how Carson ticks but from everything I’ve read and heard, he’s a pretty stubborn guy, doesn’t take  criticism lighty, wants everything to go his way (or the highway), doesn’t look in the mirror nearly enough, lacks self reflection and doesn’t take responsability easily.

He sounds like the type of guy who’ll look for another job instead of fight for the one he has now and prove his doubters wrong.

 

6 minutes ago, Ray75 said:

Given it a lot of thought lately. I believe the relationship is indeed broken beyond repair. 

To be honest... If you're Carson would you want to return to Philadelphia? With the same HC who you've had some issues with in terms of the way they use you on the field? With more new offensive coaches and more voices in your ear? Oh and the same GM who's failed to put talent around you? Surely that must be going through his head?

But by the same token, if you're Doug why would you want Carson back? He was a bottom 3 QB last year and he's been pretty inconsistent since 2017. He doesn't seem to want to run the offense that you do and Doug seems to have more success with the back up QBs. 

3 hours ago, UK_EaglesFan89 said:

To be honest... If you're Carson would you want to return to Philadelphia? With the same HC who you've had some issues with in terms of the way they use you on the field? With more new offensive coaches and more voices in your ear? Oh and the same GM who's failed to put talent around you? Surely that must be going through his head?

But by the same token, if you're Doug why would you want Carson back? He was a bottom 3 QB last year and he's been pretty inconsistent since 2017. He doesn't seem to want to run the offense that you do and Doug seems to have more success with the back up QBs. 

But his mommy called in and said we were using him wrong!!!

7 hours ago, GreenbleedinNC said:

I'll take Devonta over Chase. Fairly difficult for a WR to win the Heisman

I don't really think you can go wrong with either ... one is likely to be a stud at the next level and the other a good receiver (history says they both are not likely to be studs), but it is hard to figure out which is which.  A lot of that depends on where they end up ... what offensive scheme they are playing in, QB play, coaching, player development (that latter one is a huge concern here under Doug).

There are so many ways I could envision us going that would make me really happy.  One (that is probably unlikely) is to take Parsons at 6 and then grab Bateman with our 2.  I don't think Bateman is that far off from the top receivers.  

14 minutes ago, time2rock said:

I don't really think you can go wrong with either ... one is likely to be a stud at the next level and the other a good receiver (history says they both are not likely to be studs), but it is hard to figure out which is which.  A lot of that depends on where they end up ... what offensive scheme they are playing in, QB play, coaching, player development (that latter one is a huge concern here under Doug).

There are so many ways I could envision us going that would make me really happy.  One (that is probably unlikely) is to take Parsons at 6 and then grab Bateman with our 2.  I don't think Bateman is that far off from the top receivers.  

That, my friend, would be a completely out of the box haul in the first two rounds. 

They should try it for once...maybe it works out, maybe it doesn’t but you at least gave it a shot to do something different. If Parsons turns out to be the next Kuechly, Willis, Lewis, he could give the second line of defense an entire new look for years to come.

1 hour ago, Ray75 said:

That, my friend, would be a completely out of the box haul in the first two rounds. 

They should try it for once...maybe it works out, maybe it doesn’t but you at least gave it a shot to do something different. If Parsons turns out to be the next Kuechly, Willis, Lewis, he could give the second line of defense an entire new look for years to come.

My thoughts exactly!  With a new DC and LB coach coming to town, it would be great to give them something to work with in the back 7 (other than Slay).  If he is there and they pass on him to take Smith I'll be disappointed (even though I knew to expect it ... it'll be "same ole Eagles").  Almost every site has Parsons as a top 5 talent, whereas Smith is usually in the 8-12 range.

1 hour ago, time2rock said:

My thoughts exactly!  With a new DC and LB coach coming to town, it would be great to give them something to work with in the back 7 (other than Slay).  If he is there and they pass on him to take Smith I'll be disappointed (even though I knew to expect it ... it'll be "same ole Eagles").  Almost every site has Parsons as a top 5 talent, whereas Smith is usually in the 8-12 range.

It wouldn’t surprise me if the whole idea of deliberately losing the WFT game is to get in position to take a QB.

That would be a big mistake IMO. 

I’d love them to get back to the days of old. A solid offense and a bad ass balanced defense. 

2 hours ago, time2rock said:

I don't really think you can go wrong with either ... one is likely to be a stud at the next level and the other a good receiver (history says they both are not likely to be studs), but it is hard to figure out which is which.  A lot of that depends on where they end up ... what offensive scheme they are playing in, QB play, coaching, player development (that latter one is a huge concern here under Doug).

There are so many ways I could envision us going that would make me really happy.  One (that is probably unlikely) is to take Parsons at 6 and then grab Bateman with our 2.  I don't think Bateman is that far off from the top receivers.  

IDK what we'll do . In 2  I have Olave(OSU) or Chases's teammate Terrance Marshall . Parsons would probably go to the Falcons or CIncy. I have an ok LB actually in round 6(Micha McFadden-Indiana). He is an ILB. At any rate at pick 6 there should be WR's/QB's still there

2 hours ago, Ray75 said:

That, my friend, would be a completely out of the box haul in the first two rounds. 

They should try it for once...maybe it works out, maybe it doesn’t but you at least gave it a shot to do something different. If Parsons turns out to be the next Kuechly, Willis, Lewis, he could give the second line of defense an entire new look for years to come.

Despite our D not being stellar,they did ok. I hate we get beat deep,but the run D seems to be at least average. Our problem is we can't score enough points/stall in the RZ basically because our O line isn't too good, so once again I just don't see Parsons for us(although he was originally my pick on my first mock shot). If the O was clicking,maybe, but it's far from clicking. If anything needs addressed on D it's the CB position(like it always is)