2 hours ago, time2rock said:

whereas Smith is usually in the 8-12 range.

IDK what site you are looking at. He falls(but not that far) ONLY because of the demand for QB's. It's fairly difficult for a WR to win the Heisman. He DID it, so he has to be ranked ALOT higher than what you are seeing

47 minutes ago, Ray75 said:

It wouldn’t surprise me if the whole idea of deliberately losing the WFT game is to get in position to take a QB.

That would be a big mistake IMO. 

I’d love them to get back to the days of old. A solid offense and a bad ass balanced defense. 

Why would it be a mistake? Even if Wentz stays, he's not gonna play(so we can force a re-do to make him tradeable). We saw both good and bad with Hurts. So, it's hard for me to count on either at this point. Getting a top rook QB, gives us the best chance to find a "keeper" Would not shock me to take a top one, then take UDFA Zac Thomas and show Suds the door

22 minutes ago, GreenbleedinNC said:

Why would it be a mistake? Even if Wentz stays, he's not gonna play(so we can force a re-do to make him tradeable). We saw both good and bad with Hurts. So, it's hard for me to count on either at this point. Getting a top rook QB, gives us the best chance to find a "keeper" Would not shock me to take a top one, then take UDFA Zac Thomas and show Suds the door

You said it yourself. Our offense doesn’t score enough points. It’s not just a QB thing, we simply don’t have enough talent and maybe it’s coaching and scheme related too. Before you think about taking another QB, you have to fix that first. So I’d say roll with Hurts (or Wentz) give him the OL and weapons a good QB should be able to thrive with and use your other picks to bolster the DB field and LB unit.

If your QB still doesn’t succeed he’s either the wrong triggerman or you have the wrong coach and a scheme that doesn’t work but it sure as hell won’t be the talent you surrounded them with.

16 minutes ago, Ray75 said:

You said it yourself. Our offense doesn’t score enough points. It’s not just a QB thing, we simply don’t have enough talent and maybe it’s coaching and scheme related too. Before you think about taking another QB, you have to fix that first. So I’d say roll with Hurts (or Wentz) give him the OL and weapons a good QB should be able to thrive with and use your other picks to bolster the DB field and LB unit.

If your QB still doesn’t succeed he’s either the wrong triggerman or you have the wrong coach and a scheme that doesn’t work but it sure as hell won’t be the talent you surrounded them with.

This

16 hours ago, GreenbleedinNC said:

Yes, let's label everyone before we really know anything, because we know great schools recruit the same suck players every year lol. Maybe we should draft the other loser,whiny,diva QB from North Dakota St. because you know they are ALL that way

Ohio State has been a very successful program for many many years/decades. In all that time they have had zero NFL QBs. Do you really want to be the team to test it? Me personally, no. I would never draft any QB from Ohio State or USC. Hes not blowing the league up with his stats, accuracy etc. hes been decent with elite stars on his team against college defenses. Id rather let another team be the test dummy on him and Ohio State. 

As for Wentz, the dude has had one really bad year. As we saw Hurts did just as bad if you really compare the stats. We have had no Oline, poor WR play, Piss poor schemes, no consistant running game, all sttuff that can help a QB be successful. Doug hasnt had a successful top offense in this league once. ***I dont count 2017 since Frank was in charge of game planning, scripting plays. Just look at weeks 1 and 2 that year before he gave up those roles to Frank*** I would be very confident in beating next year if Doug is in control of the offense again we will be last in the div and in the bottom 1/4 of the league in offense.  If he is forced to give up the OC tasks to a more creative and adaptive OC(No Press Taylor of Duce is not that guy) we have a shot. 

We gain zero benefit cap wise moving Wentz this year. We all can see Doug and his struggles over the last 3 years. Hes gone next year and we all know it. Wentz can go either direction so why not see what you have in him under a new HC first, then if it doesnt work out you have your "out" year in his contract next year. Smart move to move him then. Lets be honest we are picking top 10 again next year if Doug is our HC/OC so if Wentz sucks under a new HC and we are top 10 its no different. Maybe the QB class will be better, cause this class other then one guy is crap. 

46 minutes ago, GreenbleedinNC said:

IDK what site you are looking at. He falls(but not that far) ONLY because of the demand for QB's. It's fairly difficult for a WR to win the Heisman. He DID it, so he has to be ranked ALOT higher than what you are seeing

I was looking at overall prospect rankings not where they are projected to go in various mocks.  To list a couple:

CBS has him at 8:

https://www.pff.com/news/draft-prospect-rankings-updated-top-100-big-board-2021-nfl-draft

Draft Network has him at 9:

https://thedraftnetwork.com/prospect-rankings

Pro Footballl Network has him at 5:

https://www.profootballnetwork.com/nfl-draft-prospects-2021-updated-big-board-player-rankings/

PFF has him at 16:

https://www.pff.com/news/draft-prospect-rankings-updated-top-100-big-board-2021-nfl-draft

2 hours ago, Ray75 said:

You said it yourself. Our offense doesn’t score enough points. It’s not just a QB thing, we simply don’t have enough talent and maybe it’s coaching and scheme related too. Before you think about taking another QB, you have to fix that first. So I’d say roll with Hurts (or Wentz) give him the OL and weapons a good QB should be able to thrive with and use your other picks to bolster the DB field and LB unit.

If your QB still doesn’t succeed he’s either the wrong triggerman or you have the wrong coach and a scheme that doesn’t work but it sure as hell won’t be the talent you surrounded them with.

So stop drafting offense? Because you're not going to find the right triggermen sitting on the sidelines. A 5 year Qb does NOT throw league leading picks and take LEAGUE leading sacks.If you can't find a QB, none of the rest matters does it? You said it yourself,there are too many holes on this team we shouldn't have. Thus which do you address first? Missing wide open receivers and STARING them down is not what a 5 year "franchise" QB does. So what if Hurts sucks? How long do we wait to find as you say the "triggerman"? may as well get the search started in the even Hurts is NOT it

2 hours ago, time2rock said:

This

So tell me what "this" is. Doesn't matter what WE think "this is" it's what Lurie thinks this is. SO now tell me, if taking Hurts last year at 2 was SMART or FOOLISH. Once you KNOW this answer, we can all set our mocks(but you don't know, neither do I, or neither does the FO (because he's only played 4 games). We DID find out DUDS SUDS can hit the bricks. We had faith in Wentz, he let us down,do we trust Hurts already? I do not and I will draft another QB. As far as the other staff,looks to me like Luries going to keep rolling with what we have(except for the DC)

1 hour ago, GreenbleedinNC said:

Why would it be a mistake? Even if Wentz stays, he's not gonna play(so we can force a re-do to make him tradeable). We saw both good and bad with Hurts. So, it's hard for me to count on either at this point. Getting a top rook QB, gives us the best chance to find a "keeper" Would not shock me to take a top one, then take UDFA Zac Thomas and show Suds the door

I am not buying " Wentz stays ,he's NOT gonna play." Tooo much money to sit on the Bench....Both Wentz and Howie have come out publicly stating they both want to be in Philly. As far as Hurts...Its pretty clear to me that Peedy manipulated and undermined Hurts performances....Wentz was NOT handling his demotion well. Hurts success had to be curbed..Think of how Smoking hot Hurts played. before Peedy would change the game plan that Made it tougher on Hurts. IMO Peedy tanked both the Dallas game and then tanked the Washington game. Hurts might be the Trade bait not Wentz 

59 minutes ago, Ray75 said:

You said it yourself. Our offense doesn’t score enough points. It’s not just a QB thing, we simply don’t have enough talent and maybe it’s coaching and scheme related too. Before you think about taking another QB, you have to fix that first. So I’d say roll with Hurts (or Wentz) give him the OL and weapons a good QB should be able to thrive with and use your other picks to bolster the DB field and LB unit.

If your QB still doesn’t succeed he’s either the wrong triggerman or you have the wrong coach and a scheme that doesn’t work but it sure as hell won’t be the talent you surrounded them with.

I am in agreement. NO way you take a QB with this pick. No maybe...Coaching and scheme IS an issue...Dillard should be back next year. Howie would want his #1 pick on the field at LT though unheralded Jordan Mailata should be the obvious choice IMO...Peedy has already put Mailata in the Swing Tackle role. Do you really expect an open competition with Wentz and Hurts if Peedy remains HC...with Wentz contract...Who really knows if the public" kum bi aah " with Wentz and the Eagles are real...we know Howie prefers his players to present a united face with the FO, especially if we are considering moving that player. I am just conflicted by the misuse of young players of this Coaching staff they never see the field unless someone gets injured.

39 minutes ago, DeathByEagle said:

Ohio State has been a very successful program for many many years/decades. In all that time they have had zero NFL QBs. Do you really want to be the team to test it? Me personally, no. I would never draft any QB from Ohio State or USC. Hes not blowing the league up with his stats, accuracy etc. hes been decent with elite stars on his team against college defenses. Id rather let another team be the test dummy on him and Ohio State. 

As for Wentz, the dude has had one really bad year. As we saw Hurts did just as bad if you really compare the stats. We have had no Oline, poor WR play, Piss poor schemes, no consistant running game, all sttuff that can help a QB be successful. Doug hasnt had a successful top offense in this league once. ***I dont count 2017 since Frank was in charge of game planning, scripting plays. Just look at weeks 1 and 2 that year before he gave up those roles to Frank*** I would be very confident in beating next year if Doug is in control of the offense again we will be last in the div and in the bottom 1/4 of the league in offense.  If he is forced to give up the OC tasks to a more creative and adaptive OC(No Press Taylor of Duce is not that guy) we have a shot. 

We gain zero benefit cap wise moving Wentz this year. We all can see Doug and his struggles over the last 3 years. Hes gone next year and we all know it. Wentz can go either direction so why not see what you have in him under a new HC first, then if it doesnt work out you have your "out" year in his contract next year. Smart move to move him then. Lets be honest we are picking top 10 again next year if Doug is our HC/OC so if Wentz sucks under a new HC and we are top 10 its no different. Maybe the QB class will be better, cause this class other then one guy is crap. 

I like your thinking I'm not drafting a QB this yr. Trading back but staying in the top 10 and get a Dynamic player. We have a New DC incoming perhaps this years Draft pick would go to the new D guy. Plus an additional high pick ? Either way I would be Ok with moving up if the guy we want is there at 4. What would it cost if we wanted to move up two spots? Goal is upgrading our talent add more Dynamic players.. Jeffery should hire a talent guy to help Howie with this years Draft.

3 minutes ago, GreenbleedinNC said:

So stop drafting offense? Because you're not going to find the right triggermen sitting on the sidelines. A 5 year Qb does NOT throw league leading picks and take LEAGUE leading sacks.If you can't find a QB, none of the rest matters does it?

Hurts was getting sacked just as much, was throwing picks, and fumbling just as much. So both Qbs with same issues and has nothing to do with have Oline built off mostly PS players, crappy WRs that cant run a route(which all of Dougs offense/scheme is built on clean route runners) and no running game and just crappy schemes. 

More then half Wentz picks were not on him. Some where end of the game just trying to get anything. A bunch of others were on poor recs running crap routes. When playing a scheme that is based off timing you have to throw the route early before the rec makes his break. these recs gave poor effort like drifting away from the ball, giving up on a route, or letting a DB jam them up to stp the route. Some of this is on the recs but also a lot of Doug sticking with this scheme. I guess me having real life experience ruins it for me since I can see the obvious in football play in the life of a ex DB. Sacks? yea some were on Wentz and Hurts, but a lot were just growing pains with the Oline changing weekly and getting instant pressure, recs not getting open and letting the QBs down that they lose confidence in pulling the trigger. BTW Watson was leading the league in Sacks the last two years and 2nd this year and everyone thinks hes a great QB, lol. But hey its all Wentz right? He has one bad year with INTs and Sacks and hes trash all of a sudden. 

2 hours ago, DeathByEagle said:

Ohio State has been a very successful program for many many years/decades. In all that time they have had zero NFL QBs. Do you really want to be the team to test it? Me personally, no. I would never draft any QB from Ohio State or USC. Hes not blowing the league up with his stats, accuracy etc. hes been decent with elite stars on his team against college defenses. Id rather let another team be the test dummy on him and Ohio State. 

As for Wentz, the dude has had one really bad year. As we saw Hurts did just as bad if you really compare the stats. We have had no Oline, poor WR play, Piss poor schemes, no consistant running game, all sttuff that can help a QB be successful. Doug hasnt had a successful top offense in this league once. ***I dont count 2017 since Frank was in charge of game planning, scripting plays. Just look at weeks 1 and 2 that year before he gave up those roles to Frank*** I would be very confident in beating next year if Doug is in control of the offense again we will be last in the div and in the bottom 1/4 of the league in offense.  If he is forced to give up the OC tasks to a more creative and adaptive OC(No Press Taylor of Duce is not that guy) we have a shot. 

We gain zero benefit cap wise moving Wentz this year. We all can see Doug and his struggles over the last 3 years. Hes gone next year and we all know it. Wentz can go either direction so why not see what you have in him under a new HC first, then if it doesnt work out you have your "out" year in his contract next year. Smart move to move him then. Lets be honest we are picking top 10 again next year if Doug is our HC/OC so if Wentz sucks under a new HC and we are top 10 its no different. Maybe the QB class will be better, cause this class other then one guy is crap. 

LOL, ok man. But who did all those drafted OSU QB's go to? As we have seen with Wentz, if your whole team is bad, of course the QB looks bad. College coaches change year to year,so do NFL staff. it's the individual player, not what college team they came from. if they had no talent, why were they even drafted? Lawrence looked flat out AWFUL vs OSU, because they were in his face and he didn't have 6 seconds to throw. ANY QB will struggle,so not buying Fields sucks only because he is from OSU. NFL transition is hard,but if you draft a guy you should assume you can develop him. it's not the players fault if that doesn't happen. So I will say NO TREY because ALL N Dakota QB"s are pusscookies

7 minutes ago, GreenbleedinNC said:

So stop drafting offense? Because you're not going to find the right triggermen sitting on the sidelines. A 5 year Qb does NOT throw league leading picks and take LEAGUE leading sacks.If you can't find a QB, none of the rest matters does it? You said it yourself,there are too many holes on this team we shouldn't have. Thus which do you address first? Missing wide open receivers and STARING them down is not what a 5 year "franchise" QB does. So what if Hurts sucks? How long do we wait to find as you say the "triggerman"? may as well get the search started in the even Hurts is NOT it

Where did I say we should stop drafting offense?! I said we should stock the entire roster with talent, both on offense and defense, roll with Hurts and see what happens. Evaluate Hurts properly over an entire season and if he isn’t the answer, revisit the idea of taking a QB next year. What good is taking a QB this year if you don’t have the weapons, OL, possibly coaches and  scheme to help him out.

2 hours ago, time2rock said:

I was looking at overall prospect rankings not where they are projected to go in various mocks.  To list a couple:

CBS has him at 8:

https://www.pff.com/news/draft-prospect-rankings-updated-top-100-big-board-2021-nfl-draft

Draft Network has him at 9:

https://thedraftnetwork.com/prospect-rankings

Pro Footballl Network has him at 5:

https://www.profootballnetwork.com/nfl-draft-prospects-2021-updated-big-board-player-rankings/

PFF has him at 16:

https://www.pff.com/news/draft-prospect-rankings-updated-top-100-big-board-2021-nfl-draft

Like I said, BECAUSE THERE WILL BE A QB RUN. If there were only 2 QB"s in this draft he would go top 5(2QB's, Sewell, Parsons) but BECAUSE there are QB needy teams he fell because of teams NEEDS yes????

2 hours ago, Ray75 said:

Our offense doesn’t score enough points. It’s not just a QB thing, we simply don’t have enough talent and maybe it’s coaching and scheme related too

Sounds like offense to me

A big game for the Eagles today. If the Colts don't play well, they may be more willing to roll the dice on Wentz since a first round draft pick isn't going to get them past the Chiefs/Bills.

At this point trading Wentz to the Colts before the draft seems like the best option for us. And then we can decide to either roll with Hurts or take a qb in the draft, which includes possibly moving up if they like a guy.

7 minutes ago, Trini said:

oth Wentz and Howie have come out publicly stating they both want to be in Philly.

We heard this the day before Bradford was traded. If he wants to stay in Philly,why did he not even make an appearance the last 4 weeks? (OH cause you cant trade an injured QB????) At what point then do you bench Hurts????? or do you not even start him next year? What if Hurts is better in camp,you still starting the previous years league leading pick and sack taker?

1 minute ago, GreenbleedinNC said:

LOL, ok man. But who did all those drafted OSU QB's go to? As we have seen with Wentz, if your whole team is bad, of course the QB looks bad. College coaches change year to year,so do NFL staff. it's the individual player, not what college team they came from. if they had no talent, why were they even drafted? Lawrence looked flat out AWFUL vs OSU, because they were in his face and he didn't have 6 seconds to throw. ANY QB will struggle,so not buying Fields sucks only because he is from OSU. NFL transition is hard,but if you draft a guy you should assume you can develop him. it's not the players fault if that doesn't happen. So I will say NO TREY because ALL N Dakota QB"s are pusscookies

Well most of the more recent Ohio State QBs went to teams that made the playoffs the moment they were replaced. Also with that statement you are agreeing that we should not draft him cause you just answered your own question. If the Eagles who have a poor recing core, bad coaching etc is drafting him, how would he succeed? If the whole team is bad with Wentz as you said, why would it be any different with Fields? So I guess we agree ont he fact Fields, Wentz, Hurts and any QB would suck with the Eagles by your theory, lol. 

11 minutes ago, Trini said:

I am not buying " Wentz stays ,he's NOT gonna play." Tooo much money to sit on the Bench....Both Wentz and Howie have come out publicly stating they both want to be in Philly. As far as Hurts...Its pretty clear to me that Peedy manipulated and undermined Hurts performances....Wentz was NOT handling his demotion well. Hurts success had to be curbed..Think of how Smoking hot Hurts played. before Peedy would change the game plan that Made it tougher on Hurts. IMO Peedy tanked both the Dallas game and then tanked the Washington game. Hurts might be the Trade bait not Wentz 

I am in agreement. NO way you take a QB with this pick. No maybe...Coaching and scheme IS an issue...Dillard should be back next year. Howie would want his #1 pick on the field at LT though unheralded Jordan Mailata should be the obvious choice IMO...Peedy has already put Mailata in the Swing Tackle role. Do you really expect an open competition with Wentz and Hurts if Peedy remains HC...with Wentz contract...Who really knows if the public" kum bi aah " with Wentz and the Eagles are real...we know Howie prefers his players to present a united face with the FO, especially if we are considering moving that player. I am just conflicted by the misuse of young players of this Coaching staff they never see the field unless someone gets injured.

I like your thinking I'm not drafting a QB this yr. Trading back but staying in the top 10 and get a Dynamic player. We have a New DC incoming perhaps this years Draft pick would go to the new D guy. Plus an additional high pick ? Either way I would be Ok with moving up if the guy we want is there at 4. What would it cost if we wanted to move up two spots? Goal is upgrading our talent add more Dynamic players.. Jeffery should hire a talent guy to help Howie with this years Draft.

If we knew who the "dynamic" players were,we wouldn't be 4-10-1. TOP draft picks merely give you a better CHANCE at success and we ruin plenty(if we even pick them to start with)

3 minutes ago, DeathByEagle said:

Well most of the more recent Ohio State QBs went to teams that made the playoffs the moment they were replaced. Also with that statement you are agreeing that we should not draft him cause you just answered your own question. If the Eagles who have a poor recing core, bad coaching etc is drafting him, how would he succeed? If the whole team is bad with Wentz as you said, why would it be any different with Fields? So I guess we agree ont he fact Fields, Wentz, Hurts and any QB would suck with the Eagles by your theory, lol. 

Welp sorry you base individuals on where they attend college. NFL is not even close to college. Some transition,some don't has little to do with where they came from and more to do with the staff that gets them

6 minutes ago, GreenbleedinNC said:

Welp sorry you base individuals on where they attend college. NFL is not even close to college. Some transition,some don't has little to do with where they came from and more to do with the staff that gets them

I base positions on where they go, yes. Id gladly take Dline, DB, RB, even LB and take a chance at WR at Ohio State. Just wont touch a QB. A very LONG and bad history there in that position, even when they come from championship college wins. Will Ohio State one day perhaps land a successful NFL QB? Maybe, but I will not be the test dummy to find out based off many,not 1, but many min 10+ past failures in that position in the NFL. It would be different it if was only 1 or 2. 

12 minutes ago, DeathByEagle said:

I base positions on where they go, yes. Id gladly take Dline, DB, RB, even LB and take a chance at WR at Ohio State. Just wont touch a QB. A very LONG and bad history there in that position, even when they come from championship college wins. 

I will buy the past hasn't been great. But the question should be asked why is OSU near the top every year and why can't we coach their QB's like they do? SOMEONE is making those passes. Maybe Lurie should just hire the OSU, Clemson,LSU or Bama entire crew. I was watching Fields with more intensity this past few days( I am from Ohio but I put the bias aside). Basically he is basically a better version of Hurts, so he may do well somewhere, but no need for me to draft what I already have. I would not go berserk if we took him, but like I said I basically saw a Hurts clone with better accuracy. IDK what we do, nor what the TRUTH about Wentz is. All rumors/conjecture. Hurts is a rook, he will make rook mistakes, I will give him a pass after only 4 games. Wentz is 5 years in and Hurts plays smarter. That tells me all I need to know. I think we take QB somewhere, I would even look at Trask if he's around in 3 and pick up a UDFA and tell Suds SEE YA!! My grannie could ave played better(unless he was instructed to tank it). 

27 minutes ago, Ray75 said:

Where did I say we should stop drafting offense?! I said we should stock the entire roster with talent, both on offense and defense, roll with Hurts and see what happens. Evaluate Hurts properly over an entire season and if he isn’t the answer, revisit the idea of taking a QB next year. What good is taking a QB this year if you don’t have the weapons, OL, possibly coaches and  scheme to help him out.

Stocking the roster is always the goal lol. The tricky part is taking the right players that are left. We have failed in round 1 MANY MANY times(MS2??) and although Reagor is ok, the VIkes war room erupted when we took him and they got my guy JJ. So until we can identify the proper talent,this team won't get any better and we will be scraping up more FA rejects because we have no money. I wanted JJ because he gives you 12-14 plays a game vs Reagors 4-6 and so far,his "blazing speed" has not been on display

11 minutes ago, GreenbleedinNC said:

I will buy the past hasn't been great. But the question should be asked why is OSU near the top every year and why can't we coach their QB's like they do? SOMEONE is making those passes. Maybe Lurie should just hire the OSU, Clemson,LSU or Bama entire crew. I was watching Fields with more intensity this past few days( I am from Ohio but I put the bias aside). Basically he is basically a better version of Hurts, so he may do well somewhere, but no need for me to draft what I already have. I would not go berserk if we took him, but like I said I basically saw a Hurts clone with better accuracy. IDK what we do, nor what the TRUTH about Wentz is. All rumors/conjecture. Hurts is a rook, he will make rook mistakes, I will give him a pass after only 4 games. Wentz is 5 years in and Hurts plays smarter. That tells me all I need to know. I think we take QB somewhere, I would even look at Trask if he's around in 3 and pick up a UDFA and tell Suds SEE YA!! My grannie could ave played better(unless he was instructed to tank it). 

Only answering the first part. People dont realize how different college is to the NFL. Ive played in both and they are nothing a like. I was a pretty good player in college. I failed in the NFL and did not last long at all. It is not even comparable. Schemes, the players, speed etc. When you are on a top college team its like playing the NFL team vs a peewee team sometimes with these college match ups, even two top 25 teams. Its night and day. its why some NFL teams try and hire college coaches hoping they can get more out of the college players that are not the superstars. But the difference and not being able to adapt is ultimately why most college coaches also fail in the NFL and go back to college. Its a whole different beast.

25 minutes ago, jsb235 said:

A big game for the Eagles today. If the Colts don't play well, they may be more willing to roll the dice on Wentz since a first round draft pick isn't going to get them past the Chiefs/Bills.

At this point trading Wentz to the Colts before the draft seems like the best option for us. And then we can decide to either roll with Hurts or take a qb in the draft, which includes possibly moving up if they like a guy.

IDK Ham may be correct after all. he wasn't the same after the concuss. Would the Colts want to take that risk??? The plus is he would be reunited with Reich

25 minutes ago, GreenbleedinNC said:

Like I said, BECAUSE THERE WILL BE A QB RUN. If there were only 2 QB"s in this draft he would go top 5(2QB's, Sewell, Parsons) but BECAUSE there are QB needy teams he fell because of teams NEEDS yes????

Again, I was posting overall prospect rankings which has nothing to do with who is likely to take which player.  It is based solely on a lab overall draft grade those people assign.  Lawrence is the consensus highest rated prospect regardless of the fact that he plays QB.  Some have Sewell 2, some have Fields 2, some even have Chase 2.

Pasting this example from ESPN Insider of every prospect with a grade of 90 of higher.  This site actually has Smith tied for the 2nd highest ranking with 3 others (Chase, Parsons, and Sewell).

 

9 minutes ago, DeathByEagle said:

Only answering the first part. People dont realize how different college is to the NFL. Ive played in both and they are nothing a like. I was a pretty good player in college. I failed in the NFL and did not last long at all. It is not even comparable. Schemes, the players, speed etc. When you are on a top college team its like playing the NFL team vs a peewee team sometimes with these college match ups. Its night and day. its why some NFL teams try and hire college coaches hoping they can get more out of the college players that are not the superstars. 

Yeah, I only played in HS. I was a TE and that position has changed ALOT since I played. But still I feel it's more the individual than where they came from, but I also understand that's all you have to go on except for the combine. I think Lawrence may be overrated, fields probably is also. I think Trask and Jones are a bit underrated. So IDK what we will do here,but we better NAIL the first 3. The draft is a crapshoot,you just have better ODDS at the top. We have seen undrafteds kick butt and round 1 picks sucks donkey arse. I have noticed this also. We ARE REALLY good and UDFA snags. At least some make the team,so are those guys different than the actual draft pick guy(s). if so whomever is picking the UDFA"s should be running the draft room

6 minutes ago, time2rock said:

Again, I was posting overall prospect rankings which has nothing to do with who is likely to take which player.  It is based solely on a lab overall draft grade those people assign.  Lawrence is the consensus highest rated prospect regardless of the fact that he plays QB.  Some have Sewell 2, some have Fields 2, some even have Chase 2.

Pasting this example from ESPN Insider of every prospect with a grade of 90 of higher.  This site actually has Smith tied for the 2nd highest ranking with 3 others (Chase, Parsons, and Sewell).

 

 At least they got the WR's right. Noones going to draft by this ranking,they will draft for what they NEED.Guiys like etienne,Farley Rousseau aren't falling that far