3 minutes ago, cunninghamtheman said:

How many development projects can you have in a single position group room? Seems like our cup runnith over with young developmental receivers.

That's why we have camp competition, to find the best guys to develop. Why would I put a stop to that? it's like Wentz, just handing him the job and saying you don't need to compete

But I suggest Golladay just to add that reliable veteran that might be an option by not breaking the bank. 

6 minutes ago, cunninghamtheman said:

He’s a free agent. I would assume they will make him an offer. Does he want to stay in Detroit? What is going on with the Lions front office and coaches?

IDK there is alot of knee jerk reaction to an asterisked year. Coaches are being blamed for bad record that part of was not their fault. Some coaches coped,other did not

4 minutes ago, cunninghamtheman said:

But I suggest Golladay just to add that reliable veteran that might be an option by not breaking the bank. 

No clue what he would ask for. At this point we don't have the cap space for "frivolity" unless we see some moves made. We could probably re-sign Alshon for less than Golliday, so for me thats "pick your poison". if a rook gets hurt, so??? it doesn't burn a hole in your wallet and besides that we have no idea if we have a coherent QB

1 minute ago, GreenbleedinNC said:

That's why we have camp competition, to find the best guys to develop. Why would I put a stop to that? it's like Wentz, just handing him the job and saying you don't need to compete

You don’t have that luxury of being stacked with talent across the board to just throw picks out at guys to be training camp fodder. I would be more focused on DBs. We need to create that competition there now. Taking a corner early AND late and maybe a S also is where I’d go. We’ve been throwing draft picks at DEs like we have picks to burn. Miller was never going to be a good draft pick. Wasn’t a place in that room for him. Really missing that pick we gave up for Avery.

I’m not basing my draft or free agent plans on having bad QB play. Not the way I’d handle business. As far as bringing in receivers.

2 minutes ago, cunninghamtheman said:

You don’t have that luxury of being stacked with talent across the board to just throw picks out at guys to be training camp fodder. I would be more focused on DBs. We need to create that competition there now. Taking a corner early AND late and maybe a S also is where I’d go. We’ve been throwing draft picks at DEs like we have picks to burn. Miller was never going to be a good draft pick. Wasn’t a place in that room for him. Really missing that pick we gave up for Avery.

How the hell are we "stacked with talent" at WR????

1 minute ago, cunninghamtheman said:

I’m not basing my draft or free agent plans on having bad QB play. Not the way I’d handle business. As far as bringing in receivers.

yeah Djax and Alshon put up those numbers

How do we know what talent we have with no QB??? We have overacheiving PS WR's in many places. Maybe some pan out,but thats tough to count on. So yeah we definitely disagree

Just now, GreenbleedinNC said:

How the hell are we "stacked with talent" at WR????

We are stacked with young developmental talent. We don’t really need to spend draft capital on the competition for the seventh WR spot. Bring in RBs. Bring in TEs. We just drafted three receivers last season...after drafting JJAW and finding Fulgham. Even have Burnett who shows he can play. Young developmental type WR is not something we are light on.

5 minutes ago, GreenbleedinNC said:

I’m not basing my draft or free agent plans on having bad QB play

You just did it you are planning to get Golliday. You dont draft a smith to sit him

1 minute ago, GreenbleedinNC said:

How do we know what talent we have with no QB??? We have overacheiving PS WR's in may places. Maybe some pan out,but thats tough to count on

I think Hightower, Fulgham, Watkins, Reagor and Ward have shown they are better than PS receivers. JJAW I think I’d say the same though he hasn’t proven it.

2 minutes ago, cunninghamtheman said:

We are stacked with young developmental talent. We don’t really need to spend draft capital on the competition for the seventh WR spot. Bring in RBs. Bring in TEs. We just drafted three receivers last season...after drafting JJAW and finding Fulgham. Even have Burnett who shows he can play. Young developmental type WR is not something we are light on.

OH man.you're telling me Hightower,Ward,Jjaw and Fulgham are all better than Smith??????

1 minute ago, cunninghamtheman said:

I think Hightower, Fulgham, Watkins, Reagor and Ward have shown they are better than PS receivers. JJAW I think I’d say the same though he hasn’t proven it.

Reagor may pan out, the rest are decent BU's You are accepting medocrity and I won't do it

1 minute ago, GreenbleedinNC said:

You just did it you are planning to get Golliday. You dont draft a smith to sit him

If I get Golladay it would be because I’m not planning on taking a WR early. But that’s what I’m saying about the WR room. We don’t need a bunch of guys. Just one additional very quality starter. Be great to get an early elite guy in the draft. Might make more sense to get a reliable solid veteran though considering the makeup of that position room.

Accepting mediocrity is exactly how you remain at .500

3 minutes ago, GreenbleedinNC said:

OH man.you're telling me Hightower,Ward,Jjaw and Fulgham are all better than Smith??????

When did I ever say this?

3 minutes ago, cunninghamtheman said:

If I get Golladay it would be because I’m not planning on taking a WR early. But that’s what I’m saying about the WR room. We don’t need a bunch of guys. Just one additional very quality starter. Be great to get an early elite guy in the draft. Might make more sense to get a reliable solid veteran though considering the makeup of that position room.

Your call, I will take Smith on a 5 year rook contract, and you can spend money we don't have on Golliday and in 2 years I will beat you(badly). Maybe in 1 year lol

8 minutes ago, cunninghamtheman said:

We are stacked with young developmental talent. We don’t really need to spend draft capital on the competition for the seventh WR spot

You said it right here I'm not spending it for a 7th WR,I am spending it for my #1 or #2 WR

1 minute ago, GreenbleedinNC said:

Your call, I will take Smith on a 5 year rook contract, and you can spend money we don't have on Golliday and in 2 years I will beat you(badly). Maybe in 1 year lol

Can’t take every position with your first round pick. I keep saying I like the idea of adding a top WR. But I’m not going to compare an example of an affordable vet against the sixth overall pick in the draft. 

2 minutes ago, cunninghamtheman said:

Can’t take every position with your first round pick. I keep saying I like the idea of adding a top WR. But I’m not going to compare an example of an affordable vet against the sixth overall pick in the draft. 

yeah Smith would destroy him. So now Golliday goes down and you have???? OH more BU's and PS Wr's lol.You just keep compounding the problem

6 minutes ago, GreenbleedinNC said:

 

You siad it right here

So you are saying Smith at the sixth overall pick would be considered developmental? Maybe our definitions are different. Obviously every rook needs to develop. But by saying developmental I think not quite ready for the bright lights.Basically think that describes our WR room(I’m assuming DJax and Alshon are gone).

We got Agholor. he was a head case true,but he's playing well now. Just because he didn;t here doesn't mean he was a bad pick and he cost us ZIP for 5 years

3 minutes ago, cunninghamtheman said:

So you are saying Smith at the sixth overall pick would be considered developmental? Maybe our definitions are different. Obviously every rook needs to develop. But by saying developmental I think not quite ready for the bright lights.Basically think that describes our WR room(I’m assuming DJax and Alshon are gone).

No.Smith starts day 1

6 minutes ago, GreenbleedinNC said:

yeah Smith would destroy him. So now Golliday goes down and you have???? OH more BU's and PS Wr's lol.You just keep compounding the problem

So would any sixth overall pick at any position vs the affordable vet free agent. Only get to pick one player at six though. I’m considering a WR. But I also have to consider ALL the options. I’m not locked in to there only being one way to skin the cat. Havent had the combine yet. All options are on the table at this point.

2 minutes ago, GreenbleedinNC said:

We got Agholor. he was ahead case true,but he's playing well now. Just because he didn;t here doesn't mean he was a bad pick and he cost us ZIP for 5 years

No.Smith starts day 1

So then I never said that by your own agree

1 minute ago, cunninghamtheman said:

So would any sixth overall pick at any position vs the affordable vet free agent. Only get to pick one player at six though. I’m considering a WR. But I also have to consider ALL the options. I’m not locked in to there only being one way to skin the cat. Having had the combine yet. All options are on the table at this point.

True,but it would be difficult for me to pass on Smith or Chase. Like I said before it wont matter if we cant find a QB,so my point is why spend money when we dont even know that??? I'll take rook WR's EVERY SINGLE YEAR, then I have loot to spend on other spots,until I can draft rooks for those spots too

4 minutes ago, cunninghamtheman said:

So then I never said that by your own agree

No you said we had WR's,we  just needed to develop them. and I say they have LIMITED talent.They will only go so far. They were PS players for a REASON and as I showed you I am not spending draft capital for a 7th,I am spending if for a STAR WR I can have for 5 years(well hopefully they are stars lol). Ward will never be a Star,he will never put up 1,000 yards. Smith will and can

15 minutes ago, GreenbleedinNC said:

No you said we had WR's,we  just needed to develop them. and I say they have LIMITED talent.They will only go so far. They were PS players for a REASON and as I showed you I am not spending draft capital for a 7th,I am spending if for a STAR WR I can have for 5 years(well hopefully they are stars lol). Ward will never be a Star,he will never put up 1,000 yards. Smith will and can

I never said don’t draft a WR at 6. But you said take a WR at six and then spend a fifth round pick on one. I just don’t feel like adding a day WR does much for us. I never argued against Smith. I’m just still considering all the possibilities. 

I said we are stocked with young WRs that need to develop. That’s how I’d describe our WR room, assuming we move on from Alshon and DJax.