6 minutes ago, joemas6 said:

What it tells me ... is that NFL football is way better than college football.  The level of athletics ....etc.   College football is amateur ball.... the majority of kids use it to pay for their education.   A good college football player is still way behind the level of player #53 on an NFL roster.   While these players are " available to draft"   lets be honest... not all D1 schools have a good football team.  The underclassmen and the seniors from actual good football schools... are a much better level of player in general.   

Their are 2 billion women on the planet.... how many do you want to marry?    Numbers don't necessarily mean high quality.  

Lets put it this way Joe. 35 percent of 8 picks works out to 2.8 players average per team making the 53 man roster each draft. If I was a GM in the NFL and couldn't beat that average, no one would have to fire me. I would quit on my own out of embarrassment! The first two players in rounds 1 and 2  should be easy. That is the top 64 players out of 3300. Those two picks should be nailed every year without fail. Now I only need 1 more player to make the roster from third round pick through seventh and I have beaten the NFL average. 

4 minutes ago, 1wrangler said:

Lets put it this way Joe. 35 percent of 8 picks works out to 2.8 players average per team making the 53 man roster each draft. If I was a GM in the NFL and couldn't beat that average, no one would have to fire me. I would quit on my own out of embarrassment! The first two players in rounds 1 and 2  should be easy. That is the top 64 players out of 3300. Those two picks should be nailed every year without fail. Now I only need 1 more player to make the roster from third round pick through seventh and I have beaten the NFL average. 

Lmao the first two should be nailed without fail really if it is so easy way does every team miss on players in the first two rounds.... It isn’t easy there is no sure fire way to tell how a guy will play out can’t predict injuries either which derail plenty of young guys.

hell look a 2017 not even half the top 10 got there 5th year exercised.

Odds are definitely better In the higher rounds to nail a pick but definitely not easy or a sure thing 

2 minutes ago, Bleedinggreen93 said:

Lmao the first two should be nailed without fail really if it is so easy way does every team miss on players in the first two rounds.... It isn’t easy there is no sure fire way to tell how a guy will play out can’t predict injuries either which derail plenty of young guys.

hell look a 2017 not even half the top 10 got there 5th year exercised.

Odds are definitely better In the higher rounds to nail a pick but definitely not easy or a sure thing 

Lets just say that more than 3 players I have picked each year for the last five years  are still in the league

2 hours ago, joemas6 said:

These are kids coming out of college.   NFL is where the men play.  

You are 21 going to be 22 for the upcoming season and another in his twenties calls you a kid while you are gunning for his job. It would feel like an insult to me.

19 minutes ago, 1wrangler said:

Lets just say that more than 3 players I have picked each year for the last five years  are still in the league

Plenty of players are still in the league doesn’t make the good picks though Perriman is in the league was still a terrible puck by the Ravens....AG is in the league still a bad puck by philly 

By those standards Eagles are fantastic drafters they are beating the avg.

1 hour ago, Bleedinggreen93 said:

think thats just reading to much into things I say kid a lot as well when talking about the college players and I’m like 2-3 years older then most of them lmao 

So if a guy a few years younger than you is gunning for your exact job....would that change your perception?

43 minutes ago, 1wrangler said:

Lets put it this way Joe. 35 percent of 8 picks works out to 2.8 players average per team making the 53 man roster each draft. If I was a GM in the NFL and couldn't beat that average, no one would have to fire me. I would quit on my own out of embarrassment! The first two players in rounds 1 and 2  should be easy. That is the top 64 players out of 3300. Those two picks should be nailed every year without fail. Now I only need 1 more player to make the roster from third round pick through seventh and I have beaten the NFL average. 

Something doesn’t seem right with these numbers. It’s a huge deal if a third round pick doesn’t make the 53 man roster. All the first two days worth of picks make the team. League wide. When is the last guy that didn’t make the team drafted on day two?

Then of coarse some day three guys make the 53 league wide. With no actually data to back me up....off the top of my head I’d say 4.5 players every draft make the team. That’s averaging things out. Some teams trade picks and have less ...but also so teams have more.

7 minutes ago, cunninghamtheman said:

So if a guy a few years younger than you is gunning for your exact job....would that change your perception?

I’d probably still say kid if that how I talked before changing the situation isn’t going to change the way I speak 

1 hour ago, 1wrangler said:

Lets put it this way Joe. 35 percent of 8 picks works out to 2.8 players average per team making the 53 man roster each draft. If I was a GM in the NFL and couldn't beat that average, no one would have to fire me. I would quit on my own out of embarrassment! The first two players in rounds 1 and 2  should be easy. That is the top 64 players out of 3300. Those two picks should be nailed every year without fail. Now I only need 1 more player to make the roster from third round pick through seventh and I have beaten the NFL average. 

I gotta be honest...I don't remember a year where 3 or less players drafted made the roster?  Can you research that one and tell me when the last drafted class by the Eagles only had 3 make the roster?

We just had 3 drafts ...2016, 2018 and 2019.   All just 5 players if I am not mistaken.  Not sure but think all of them had more than 3 players make the team.

I don't know about #s.

But I will tell you... 35% of all drafted plus undrafted rookies... that's pretty good.  I believe we drafted 10 and had 12 or 13 UDFAs.  That's 8 new players from this class.  Sounds about right.  Players coming in don't have the advantage of already being in the league... playing,  practicing,  training , eating and living like pros.  One out of three seems about right if not even high for making a roster. 

56 minutes ago, cunninghamtheman said:

You are 21 going to be 22 for the upcoming season and another in his twenties calls you a kid while you are gunning for his job. It would feel like an insult to me.

Then I would say to you...  suck it up kid, that's life.

2 hours ago, Bleedinggreen93 said:

think thats just reading to much into things I say kid a lot as well when talking about the college players and I’m like 2-3 years older then most of them lmao 

Heck, I call a lot of you guys kids

GD kids to be more accurate

 

This isn't football related but I thought you might find it humorous.

My son in law is a Florida Highway patrolman. On May 2nd he pulled a car over for an expired tag with the intention of giving him a warning. The guy was very upset almost to the point of tears. The son in law said take it easy and the driver replied "But you don't understand sir I have drugs and guns in the car"

The moral of the story is even a fish would stay out of trouble if he would keep his mouth shut.

54 minutes ago, Bleedinggreen93 said:

Plenty of players are still in the league doesn’t make the good picks though Perriman is in the league was still a terrible puck by the Ravens....AG is in the league still a bad puck by philly 

By those standards Eagles are fantastic drafters they are beating the avg.

Here BG, you can keep track of this for future reference, these  were my picks for the Eagles this year although I never  go past the 4th round ahead of time because rounds 5 through 7 are always a wait and see what is still available when you get there. 

Round 1 pick 21. I wanted either LB Patrick Queen or Denzel Mimms. It didn't matter to me which one they chose and both were available when they picked. 

Round 2 pick 53. I wanted DE A.J. Epenesa  or Mimms since he wasn't chosen in the first and Queen was.

Round 3 pick 103  I wanted  CB Darney Holmes best nickel back in the draft. He was selected in the 4th round at pick pick 110 so I was off a little on my value. I still don't think so though. LOL

Round 4 pick 127 I wanted RB A. J. Dillon. He was taken at pick 129

Round 4 pick 145 I wanted DE Curtis Weaver. He was taken in round 5 pick 164 so I was off a little on value there as well.  Lets see how many of these guys make it to a 53 man roster this year.  There are 6 players in all I chose and the Eagles could have had any of the 6.

By the way, you can project talent at the NFL level but not injuries and lets not forget that everyone who plays the game long enough will eventually get hurt.  No one is going to convince me that Hurts wasn't taken in the draft with that in mind.

11 minutes ago, 1wrangler said:

Here BG, you can keep track of this for future reference, these  were my picks for the Eagles this year although I never  go past the 4th round ahead of time because rounds 5 through 7 are always a wait and see what is still available when you get there. 

Round 1 pick 21. I wanted either LB Patrick Queen or Denzel Mimms. It didn't matter to me which one they chose and both were available when they picked. 

Round 2 pick 53. I wanted DE A.J. Epenesa  or Mimms since he wasn't chosen in the first and Queen was.

Round 3 pick 103  I wanted  CB Darney Holmes best nickel back in the draft. He was selected in the 4th round at pick pick 110 so I was off a little on my value. I still don't think so though. LOL

Round 4 pick 127 I wanted RB A. J. Dillon. He was taken at pick 129

Round 4 pick 145 I wanted DE Curtis Weaver. He was taken in round 5 pick 164 so I was off a little on value there as well.  Lets see how many of these guys make it to a 53 man roster this year.  There are 6 players in all I chose and the Eagles could have had any of the 6.

By the way, you can project talent at the NFL level but not injuries and lets not forget that everyone who plays the game long enough will eventually get hurt.  No one is going to convince me that Hurts wasn't taken in the draft with that in mind.

Really only care about the top 2 rounds since those are supposed to be gimme picks should never miss as you said.... Don’t care which two guys you want Queen/Mimms or  Queen/ Espensa or Mims/Espensa.... Also what are we constituting a good pick for those top 2 rounds pretty sure still in the league isn’t good enough would we count Queen as a success if he is still in the league in 5 years as a backup 

As for projecting talent sure every nfl team projects talent and every year we see guys they projected as round 1 and 2 etc. miss...But it isn’t an exact science no sure fire way to project who going to be good or great vs who will be busts 

Just now, Bleedinggreen93 said:

Really only care about the top 2 rounds since those are supposed to be gimme picks should never miss as you said.... Don’t care which two guys you want Queen/Mimms or  Queen/ Espensa or Mims/Espensa.... 

As for projecting talent sure every nfl team projects talent and every year we see guys they projected as round 1 and 2 etc. miss...But it isn’t an exact science no sure fire way to project who going to be good or great vs who will be busts 

Okay I will say that Queen and Espensa are my two gimme's.  LB Queen went to the Ravens and  DE Espensa went to the Bills. I am all in with the rest too. For a TastyKake 

1 hour ago, joemas6 said:

I gotta be honest...I don't remember a year where 3 or less players drafted made the roster?  Can you research that one and tell me when the last drafted class by the Eagles only had 3 make the roster?

 

Found this at another source although I don't recognize the former VP's name.

Michael Keller, former Player, Scout and VP Football Operations (1972-2015)

Answered Dec 28, 2019 

There are roughly 400 players drafted each year. Another 300 players are signed as free agents (undrafted college seniors). Of these 700 players the yearly average is around 250 new players making it in the NFL. Obviously, these numbers change every year depending on the quality of players in the draft and the need of teams. So you have 35% of the drafted and free agents making NFL rosters.

An NFL roster is at 53 right now with a reserve squad of 10 - 12.

Here I found this on Keller

Michael F. Keller is a former American football linebacker and football executive in the National Football League. He played professional football for the Dallas Cowboys. He played college football at the University of Michigan

1 hour ago, joemas6 said:

Then I would say to you...  suck it up kid, that's life.

And I would reply: Get your resume ready because you’re in my spot

1 hour ago, Asg 15 said:

Heck, I call a lot of you guys kids

GD kids to be more accurate

 

Not everybody has Denis the Menace for a neighbor like you

1 hour ago, Asg 15 said:

This isn't football related but I thought you might find it humorous.

My son in law is a Florida Highway patrolman. On May 2nd he pulled a car over for an expired tag with the intention of giving him a warning. The guy was very upset almost to the point of tears. The son in law said take it easy and the driver replied "But you don't understand sir I have drugs and guns in the car"

The moral of the story is even a fish would stay out of trouble if he would keep his mouth shut.

Gotta get the idiots off the streets. He was probably jacked up on something to help him be such a moron.

Wrangler I was surprised Weaver fell that far. Wonder what that was about?

57 minutes ago, Bleedinggreen93 said:

Really only care about the top 2 rounds since those are supposed to be gimme picks should never miss as you said.... Don’t care which two guys you want Queen/Mimms or  Queen/ Espensa or Mims/Espensa.... Also what are we constituting a good pick for those top 2 rounds pretty sure still in the league isn’t good enough would we count Queen as a success if he is still in the league in 5 years as a backup 

As for projecting talent sure every nfl team projects talent and every year we see guys they projected as round 1 and 2 etc. miss...But it isn’t an exact science no sure fire way to project who going to be good or great vs who will be busts 

Gotta be more to it than just if a guy sticks. Like let’s say Espenesa. Decent player. Doubt he is a bust. But not a big upside on him either. So he could play for ten years. But if the pick behind him goes to several Pro Bowls then it was probably a bad pick. (Not withstanding nonscheme fit like you took the 4-3 DE and the guy after was a 3-4 OLB.)

43 minutes ago, 1wrangler said:

Found this at another source although I don't recognize the former VP's name.

Michael Keller, former Player, Scout and VP Football Operations (1972-2015)

Answered Dec 28, 2019 

There are roughly 400 players drafted each year. Another 300 players are signed as free agents (undrafted college seniors). Of these 700 players the yearly average is around 250 new players making it in the NFL. Obviously, these numbers change every year depending on the quality of players in the draft and the need of teams. So you have 35% of the drafted and free agents making NFL rosters.

An NFL roster is at 53 right now with a reserve squad of 10 - 12.

Here I found this on Keller

Michael F. Keller is a former American football linebacker and football executive in the National Football League. He played professional football for the Dallas Cowboys. He played college football at the University of Michigan

Yes there you go. Counting the undrafted guys into the equation.

2 hours ago, Bleedinggreen93 said:

Plenty of players are still in the league doesn’t make the good picks though Perriman is in the league was still a terrible puck by the Ravens....AG is in the league still a bad puck by philly 

By those standards Eagles are fantastic drafters they are beating the avg.

He wasn't a terrible pick,he got hurt lol